George Floyd and Derek Chauvin "bumped heads" while working at nightclub, former coworker says

[Dennis Donovan]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-floyd-derek-chauvin-nightclub-bumped-heads-former-coworker/

By JEFF PEGUES CBS NEWS June 9, 2020, 7:01 PM

As mourners in Houston honor the life of George Floyd in Minneapolis, CBS News is learning new details from a nightclub coworker about the history between Floyd and Derek Chauvin, the former officer who is charged in Floyd's death. Not only did they know each other, but a former coworker says they had a history of friction.

Floyd and Chauvin both worked security at a nightclub at the same time. Coworker David Pinney said the two men had a history.

"They bumped heads," Pinney said.

"How?" CBS News asked.

"It has a lot to do with Derek being extremely aggressive within the club with some of the patrons, which was an issue," Pinney explained.

<snip>

"Do you think Derek had a problem with black people?" CBS News asked.

"I think he was afraid and intimidated," Santamaria said.

"By black folks?" CBS News clarified.

"Yeah," Santamaria confirmed.

</snip>

Hmm...

[Nevilledog]

1. So this gives the police their out.

Chauvin is the bad guy. This was personal. It's got nothing to do with racism or training.

Just wait for it.

[ProfessorGAC]

2. Counters

So, you maintained the employ of a guy willing to kill over a grudge, MPD?
And;
What about the other 3 cops?

[Nevilledog]

4. Don't get me wrong....I don't think it will work.

And they'll say what they always do.... All the other complaints were investigated and appropriate action, if any, was taken. We never could have anticipated this behavior.

We know the other two he was the FTO for are already pointing at Chauvin as the bad guy, and they're just rookies....blah blah blah

Tou Thao, the 4th cop, is a wild card.

I wanna hear the radio traffic and find out if Floyd's name was broadcast to Chauvin before he responded to the scene.

[ProfessorGAC]

7. I Was Agreeing With Your Point

I was just suggesting there are easy to use counters to prevent them from winning the argument by using what you predict they'll use.
I knew you weren't agreeing with them.

[Nevilledog]

9. I didn't think you were disagreeing with me.

I'm glad you were putting out the counters!



You were the angel and I was the devil......lol

[LiberalArkie]

13. I want to hear if Floyds name was mentioned and a $20 fake bill mentioned

A club is a very easy way to launder phony money.

[Nevilledog]

15. Interesting.

Who the fuck knows anymore. Nothing would surprise me.

[The_REAL_Ecumenist]

18. Hell, I'm shocked AF that they didn't sprinkle powdered crack all over him, tuck dipped joints

into his shoes, child porn images & Nambla & dog fighting membership cards in his pockets & drawn on needle tracks ALL over him. SMGDH

[Mr.Bill]

11. Both of those things could be the cause.

They are predisposed circumstances that would feed off of each other

[Nevilledog]

16. Yup.

[Crunchy Frog]

19. No. It means that the PD has knowingly harbored

someone who was both a racist and had aggression problems, and never did anything about it.

[Nevilledog]

22. And PD blames the Union.

No one is ever willing to accept responsibility for the bad actors. If departments punish, unions gets it overturned.

Example: there was a dirty detective with the local sheriff's department. They were running an investigation on a massage parlor. This detective was undercover posing as a client. He ended up getting 4 happy endings. He was originally fired, appealed, got 8 hrs unpaid suspension (2 hrs per hand/blow job), appealed. Reinstated with no punishment.

[Crunchy Frog]

23. I wonder if the family could sue the loca police union.

Especially if they could be shown to have had a pattern of interfering with appropriate disciplinary actions, or termination from the job.

In any event, I've reached the conclusion that union busting is going to be one of the most necessary steps in ending systemic problems with brutality and racism.

[Nevilledog]

25. Agreed.

They're not unions in the traditional sense. They're thugs representing dangerous people. They have us over a barrel. We don't like what they do? Fine, they'll strike and let crime go unchecked. They only have to threaten it. What politician wants to deal with the outcry of no police to protect the good citizens?

Police necessity in their present militarized form is a fucking joke.

[Crunchy Frog]

36. I guess the answer to that would be a mass firing

with selective rehiring, or just bringing in completely new hires with contracts that bypass the police union.

We need to put our best minds on the problem, and figure out how to get our country out from under the knee of these criminal organizations.

[Nevilledog]

44. That's essentially what Camden did.

You'd have to finesse the process..... Not fire, reevaluate personnel.

[lettucebe]

3. Making it personal adds to the chances for that Murder 1 charge

[Ponietz]

27. +1 the most important implication from the report

[nolabear]

32. Perzackly.

[H2O Man]

5. Recommended.

[Cha]

6. Really bad look for Chauvin.

RIP George Floyd

[mzmolly]

8. First degree

murder.

[MRDAWG]

17. Agree!

!

[Mike Niendorff]

28. Sure looks like it.

K&R.


MDN

[captain queeg]

10. But Floyd was big, he'd been in trouble with the law,

He was drinking/on drugs, he smoked menthol Cigarettes...all sorts of BS that doesn’t matter. I’m sure we’ll hear some other stuff. Though I’m sure the fact that he was black won’t be brought up

[niyad]

31. How did they KNOW that Floyd had been in trouble with the law, and in Houston, no less.

The whole reason for the way the arrest happened has never made sense to me.

[snort]

34. Think the worst

that chauvin recognized him and saw the opportunity to really fuck this guy up, teach him a lesson, under the color of authority.

[Mr.Bill]

12. I can just hear Chauvin getting out of the car

and saying to the other cops: "Oh, this guy. Let me show you how we take care of people like him."

[AlexSFCA]

14. maybe it was 1st degree murder after all

[Solomon]

20. I said this on May 31st in a thread.

4. Wait until we find out that Chauvin knew who Floyd was.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=13515306

[milestogo]

21. I read this completely differently.

If Chauvin had a longstanding grudge against Floyd, maybe he took advantage of the arrest opportunity to kill him. i.e., 1st degree, premeditated murder.

[Hekate]

24. I said this murder was personal as soon as I read they worked together at the club

Chauvin is a stone-cold killer. And based on that story from the white woman who encountered him about 15 years ago, he is also a stone-cold sadistic bastard.

I'll bet his soon to be ex wife could tell some tales if she wasn't too scared to speak. Someone will go his bail -- I hope she is long gone out of that house before he comes home to await his trial.

[raccoon]

40. Can someone enlighten me about this? I googled but couldn't find anything.

And based on that story from the white woman who encountered him about 15 years ago

[Hekate]

42. Here's the full story at link

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213542695

Chauvin is a sadistic bastard from way back. I am not surprised his wife filed for divorce the minute he was behind bars. Now that he has bail, I hope she is far, far away.

[secondwind]

26. Chauvin will be REALLY scared when he is convicted

and sentenced to minimum of 40 yrs. They’ll be waiting for him with open arms

[niyad]

29. If true, it confirms what I have thought from the start-that Floyd and the murderer had some

kind of history. There was so much satisfaction in the murderer's attitude, even knowing that he was being filmed.

[Aviation91]

30. I Knew It...

Every since I found out that they worked together, I knew this murder personal! He intended to kill that man and the way in looked into that camera, he knew he was killing him and felt he would get away with it! I believe his arrogance and because he had gotten away with brutality time and time again, said to me that nothing would be done to him!!

[Demobrat]

33. I wonder what he will plead.

He has to know he will be found guilty if he goes to trial.

[MustLoveBeagles]

35. I'm not surprised

I suspected as much as soon as it was reported they worked together.

[MerryBlooms]

37. From the minute the news came out they worked at the same club,

there was no doubt in my mind that Chauvin knew who he was murdering. Grudge murder along with hate crime. Life in general population.

[Demobrat]

38. I wonder if he'll be put in isolation

for his own safety.
40 years in the hole.
Yeah that sounds about right.

[MerryBlooms]

39. I can't find in my heart any mercy for that man.

Life in isolation or general. I don't care what happens to him.

[Nature Man]

43. They'll put him in with child molesters

people who hurt kids, women, and old people.

He will never walk a GP yard with men.

[Sunsky]

41. Yup

I expected to hear this.