If Trump Admin. Comes Out With A CV19 Vaccine, Would You Trust It? Would You Take It?

[Skraxx]

Hell no! I would wait until a Biden administration approves it.

How fucked up is that? If they come out with a vaccine tomorrow, I might have to pass on taking it until a Biden admin is able to review the approval process. That's some fucked up shit right there, I would never have felt that way until now. I would have probably trusted any other administration's vaccine, up until now.

[Patterson]

1. No way.

[still_one]

2. The trump administration is NOT the ones who come out with a vaccine,

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[Eliot Rosewater]

8. No, but they are open to fast tracking one from anywhere in the world and I think the OP meant what

if it is not one the CDC or FDA has approved but is something the traitor is "hawking" like he did chloroquine...

What we know for certain is if there is something that MIGHT work, or MIGHT kill you, he WILL remove all federal regulations so it can be sold here. It does that work that way, right? He can override all of that? Or have one of his sycophants do it?

And in that case would I trust it? No, but I would research it before absolutely discounting it, considering the situation we are in.

[still_one]

20. The data is the data, and it will be peered reviewed. Fauci and the other scientists are involved.

trump doesn't control that

If and when a vacine is available, at the earliest it won't be until the first quarter of next year to the general public

It will be offered first to health care providers

There are over a 100 companies working on a vaccine around the world. There is the Oxford vaccine, from UK, Moderna, Pfizer, Astra Zeneca, etc. It is very possible there will be mutiple vaccines that work. It is also possible that none will be effective

The point I am making trump cannot determine if a vaccine works or is safe, only the data determines that

[Skraxx]

26. Yes, I'm Familiar With the Clinical Trial Process

The point is more the doubt I know have, regardless. If Trump can corrupt it, he will. Data has been and can be fudged. And if Trump can do it, he will, to get a "Vaccine" out as soon as possible.

[still_one]

31. Then don't get the vaccine when it comes out. No one is forcing you. There won't be a vaccine

for the general public at the earliest until the first quarter of 2021

None of the vaccines in development as far as I am aware are based on a live vaccine

[Skraxx]

34. My Point Is How Uncomfortable I Would Feel About It

[still_one]

39. I understand, then in that case wait until enough people have been vaccinated, and if it appears

Safe and effective so you don't feel like a guinea pig

Whether trump is in office or not if and when a vaccine becomes available, i personally don't plan to be the first in line to get it, so I definitely understand your position

[Eliot Rosewater]

49. Oh yeah, he cant determine what 23 plus 18 is, seriously, without a calculator and someone to

operate it for him, he could not do that, even.

[still_one]

60. Very true

[Skraxx]

24. Yup, And My Point is More about How Fucked Up That Is, That I Have That Doubt Now

[uponit7771]

54. Don't .. don't do this here, ok? thx in advance

[ProfessorGAC]

3. The Administration Is Coming Up With Vax?

The approval criteria is pretty clear & concrete.
And, because it's unlikely the VAX will be in mass production before EOY, the point is moot.

[Skraxx]

21. Yes, The Approval Criteria IS Clear and Concrete

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It doesn't really mean a damn thing though, does it when it comes to Trump, does it? I'm familiar with the clinical trial process, but that doesn't mean his admin can't come up with a way to circumvent it and hawk a "vaccine" that has circumvented the proper process. In fact, I would make a bet that they will try something like that. And really, my point is more about how uncomfortable I would be about taking a vaccine under this administration and these circumstances. That's novel, at least for me.

[ProfessorGAC]

48. You're Reaching For Reasons...

...to reinforce your fears.
Besides, if it doesn't come out until next year, nobody is likely to have fast tracked anything.
There's already testing going on worldwide now. If it takes 8 or 10 months more, where's the fast tracking?
And if Biden wins, but 80% of the development was done under PINO, does that invalidate it, or does it magically become safe the 3rd week of January?

[Skraxx]

50. Trump Is President, There's no Reason to "Reach", Fears Are Entirely Justified

[uponit7771]

55. Arguing semantics is an admission to loss. The admin is approving a vaccine and that's bad enough

[ProfessorGAC]

59. Um, No It's Not

The OP comes pretty close to antivax nonsense using a new excuse.
I'm not arguing semantics at all.
The premise is silly.

[tblue37]

4. Not unless it proved safe over a decent span of time and with many, many recipients. nt

[Steelrolled]

5. I haven't heard that the trump admin was developing a vaccine

I'll wait for big pharma

[still_one]

22. Exactly. Also, multiple companies around the world are involed. Trump has no control over the data

Or safety and effectiveness trials

Several of the prospective vaccine candidates are going through NIH, and any vaccine that makes it to phase 3 will be peered reviewed

Trump is not on the list to review those vaccines

[Yavin4]

6. Would you attend Trump University?

Fly on a Trump plane? Eat a Trump steak? Drink Trump water?

[captain queeg]

9. Buy a piece of property?

[Wounded Bear]

7. That'd be a no...

when the VA offers it, I'll probably get it. But I would expect Trump to "roll it out" as a campaign stunt.

[Shermann]

10. Already tried that with Hyroxychloroquine

It was chewed up and spit out by the math and science people.

[brokephibroke]

11. To be fair

Trump knows more about virology than anyone. Believe me, he should have been a virologist, he gets it.

[Dorian Gray]

12. He's not personally making it, is he?

Two drops of Jared's tears, 3 hairs of Trump, plus essence of Kellyanne.....

[Ms. Toad]

13. The vaccine will be the subject of research,

which will be available for review.

After a review of the research, if it safe and relatively effective I'll take it.

[DrToast]

16. Exactly!

You won’t have to take Trump’s word for it. All the info will be available.

[still_one]

23. +++

[Skraxx]

37. I'd Have To Think Twice, Unlike Ever Before, Which is my Point

[Ms. Toad]

43. That's the difference between us -

Aside from vaccinations I received as a child, I never get vaccinations on faith.

[Skraxx]

52. Who Said Anything about Faith?

I'm talking about the corruption and depravity of Trump.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

40. +1. N/t

[DrToast]

14. There are plenty of reliable experts to listen to

Yes, I’d probably take it. Because so far they’re goin through all of the necessary steps to develop vaccines.

[smirkymonkey]

15. Absolutely not.

It would probably kill you. Not until a vaccine comes out that is approved by the CDC, the WHO and a majority of infectious disease doctors all over the globe, I will not consider it. I will never in a million years trust any health advice coming from Trump or anyone in his administration. It would be suicidal.

[Timewas]

17. At this point

I do not trust anything that comes from the feds

[Blue_true]

18. I will let MAGATS take it first. That is one time that they can lead. nt

[Hortensis]

19. If the FDA approved it and without news raising an alarm, of course.

There are limits to Trump's power, and approval and release of a vaccine for 330 million people in this nation alone, and billions elsewhere, that could be unacceptably dangerous isn't going to happen. I'd be a lot more likely to worry about our giant, 80-year-old life oak falling on our mobile home and killing us. And I don't.

However, now that I think of it, as older retired folk who don't have to go to work or care for dependents, it's unlikely we'd be among the first groups to qualify for it -- even after front-line workers were vaccinated. And the same would apply to many others.

[still_one]

25. Thank-you. It is all peered reviewed, and trump isn't on the list of peers

[Skraxx]

27. Perhaps, But I'd Still Be Incredibly Uncomfortable Trusting It, And That's more my Point

[Hortensis]

32. Well, I try not to fear what's unreasonable to fear, and certainly

not out of political partisanship. Science and reason, or what we lightheartedly imagine qualify, are preferred.

If a vaccine was questionable because of shortcutting the required testing, etc., experts would be discussing it. And a comprehensive roll-out would very likely fail.

But at our age the virus itself is potentially so dangerous that becoming "anti-vaxxers" just to run with other anti-Trumpers is not an indulgence we're likely to fall into.

Those who worry could reassure and prepare themselves by keeping fairly informed by honest, expert sources on this subject. A lot of fine people are working on this problem facing humanity.

[Skraxx]

36. The Point Is Really More About How That Unlike Any Other Time, I Would Be Really Uncomfortable About

It. As someone who is decidedly NOT an anti-vaxxer.

[Hortensis]

47. That uncomfortable feeling would be the uncertainty of ignorance,

exacerbated in those inclined by distrust of the Trump/Republican government. But this is 100% a medical issue, not a political or social one.

Many companies around the planet are working on vaccines, and eventually one will be approved in the U.S. and released without rational controversy. By then I expect by far most people to be eager to get it and understandably uncomfortable about having to continue unprotected until it's available to them.

"When is it going to end? We're still at the beginning of it." ~ Anthony Fauci

[Skraxx]

51. Uhh, No, Ignorance Would Be NOT Having Fears About Trump

And what he's capable of. Perhaps you haven't been paying attention.

[Hortensis]

58. Seemingly not. Have a nice day, Skraxx.

[Hekate]

28. No way in hell do I trust anything coming from this administration...

I had a brief (very brief) moment of agreement with my anti-vaxxer daughter over this, but then she segued to her usual. I cut her off quickly and said: "We'll just have to agree to disagree on this. I won't discuss it with you."

[blueinredohio]

29. HELL NO!!!

[I_UndergroundPanther]

30. With trumps drink bleach

And Mitch waiting for people to die,and refusing to pass aid for the people I sure as hell don't trust those magat bastards to help anyone.
A fucked up vaccine to own the libs? I'll pass. Until Biden is president.

[Yavin4]

33. Hey, isn't this how Zombie movies start?

There's a flu. Then people taking the vaccine become mindless Zombies.

[keithbvadu2]

35. Quick test: Would his family and republican Congressfolk take it?

Quick test: Would his family and republican Congressfolk take it?

Of course they could lie like Donald and his doctor did about taking hydroxychloroquine.

[JI7]

38. How does a Presidential administration come out with a vaccine ?

[GulfCoast66]

41. Oh please. Are you going to get your 'trump flu vaccine' this year?

Did you the last 3?

The researchers will not release a vaccine until it is proven.

And rest at ease. It won’t be till 2021 anyway. If there is ever one. Corona Viruses are tricky.

Don’t trust it don’t take it.

I will.

There is a decent chance Germany, and thus the EU will have one before us. Won’t that be fun.

[bluedigger]

42. Let's just say I wouldn't be at the head of the line.

[DBoon]

44. Only if a country with a credible health service approved it

If the EU, Japan, South Korea, Australia, or New Zealand said it worked and was reasonably safe, then yes.

Sorry, any agency reporting to Trump where appointees are approved by McConnell's senate doesn't count.

[fescuerescue]

45. I would wait, but not for any political reason

Not everything is politics.

But I would wait a bit. It would be version 1.0 of course.

Of course if it was REALLY produced by Trump and his team (giggle), I doubt ANYONE would volunteer to take it.

BTW, it's a bit egocentric of us to assume that a virus will only be developed in the US. This is a world challenge and the vaccine is as likely to come from China as it would from the US.

[Blue Owl]

46. Fuck no!

ETTD - Everything Trump Touches Dies.

[Aristus]

53. No.

If, on the other hand, a respected medical research organization with a reliable track record for safe and effective vaccines did, I would trust it.

I would get vaccinated against COVID-19, and then vote for Joe Biden in November.

Trump would have nothing to do with creating a safe and effective vaccine, other than living in the White House when it was developed.

[PTWB]

56. Of course I'd take a Covid-19 vaccine.

They wont come out with a vaccine tomorrow because vaccines don't work like that. The data behind the vaccine will be available at the time it is released. I think the odds are 0 that the scientific and medical communities are going to release Trump's buttpaste as a vaccine. The vaccine, when it is released and approved will be effective, legitimate and safe.

[shockey80]

57. I would rather take a hot needle and stick in my eye. It would be safer.