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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHBO Max has pulled "Gone with the Wind" until it can return with "historical context"
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secondwind
(16,903 posts)Judi Lynn
(160,450 posts)csziggy
(34,131 posts)Both book and the movie were written and produced at the time the KKK was fading but the sentiment was still the same.
Margaret Mitchell was from families that had been slave owners and:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Mitchell#Girlhood_on_Jackson_Hill
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Mitchell#School_life
(Dixon wrote the book The Birth of a Nation and got it made into the movie of the same name - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Dixon_Jr.#Dixon_as_novelist)
As for the movie:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gone_with_the_Wind_(film)#Racial_criticism
I've only seen the movie all the way through once, when my parents took us to a showing at the local drive in theater. Truthfully, I may not have stayed awake for the whole thing. I've caught pieces of it when it was shown on TV and immensely enjoyed satires of it such as the Carol Burnett scene with the drapes.
The themes of racism, glorification of the "Southern Way of Life" before the Civil War, and the horrendous portrayal of blacks always put me off - and the ridiculous way women were portrayed, did too.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)That i watched with a black acquaintance and was utterly embarrassed by depictions of African Americans i hadnt noticed previously was "Its a Wonderful Life."
You just can't unsee things once you've noticed them.
KS Toronado
(17,147 posts)I don't remember any embarrassing depictions of African Americans in the movie. I saw "Annie" as insightful & friendly.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)while the movie plays and put that up. I'd watch it then.
PJMcK
(21,995 posts)I hate "Gone With The Wind" and always have. It's bloated, bigoted and the characters' choices are often obviously stupid. It's also ridiculously long clocking in at just under 4 hours.
But your idea is genius! It would be funny as hell!
More importantly, it would take down this stupid movie once and for all.
Having said that, there are some brilliant technical/artistic elements in the film including Max Steiner's score and Ernst Haller cinematography.
ProfessorGAC
(64,852 posts)Acting is generally awful, the romanticizing of slave owning culture is pathetic, the script is stiff.
The only cinematic quality is the cinematography which has been long since surpassed.
In fact, the cinematography was surpassed the same year GWTW was released. So, it wasn't even the best looking movie that year!
Good riddance!
Ilsa
(61,690 posts)portion of the Twelve Oaks plantation and other scenes.
I hope TCM does the same as HBO.
Maeve
(42,271 posts)ProfessorGAC
(64,852 posts)Better cinematography & the background paintings had better depth.
Full disclosure: I don't like either movie.
Maeve
(42,271 posts)Both had some great work (the burning of Atlanta in GWTW and Dorothy's tornado, for examples) but both played to simplistic emotions---must have been products of their time.
At different times in my life, I have enjoyed them both.
Auggie
(31,133 posts)Hekate
(90,556 posts)Yet I had a friend (b. 1938 -- she was a decade older than me) who was absolutely gaga over that movie & watched it every damn time it came on TV -- as a consequence I watched it with her at a little ladies' get-together she had at her apartment, just to see if I had missed something the one time I had seen it before.
Turns out I still a feminist and an anti-racist, and failed to appreciate the gorgeous plantations and dresses, as well as the hot romances of the heroine. Ew.
GWTW needs to be packaged with a whole lotta 'splaining.
ms liberty
(8,558 posts)Well, the costume design was pretty good in the movie, I will give it that.
obamanut2012
(26,046 posts)I was a kid when that first aired, and roared with laughter, literally rolled around the floor.
ms liberty
(8,558 posts)I watch a them once in a while. The older I get the more I'm convinced Tim Conway is a Comedy God.
Solomon
(12,310 posts)seen as many times as GWTW is the Ten Commandments.
Demsrule86
(68,456 posts)because they have not made it available for ROKU users...millions of people use ROKU so I don't know what HBO is thinking and many are cancelling their subscriptions. I have to either mirror or hook up cables...very aggravating...not worth the trouble except it is free.
Johnny2X2X
(18,969 posts)Sure, it's a horribly racist movie, but pulling it does nothing to help the situation.
Massive changes are needed to the American system of justice, policing, and community investment. I appreciate token gestures, but this a massive change to the American way of life is needed.
Cyrano
(15,027 posts)before TV invented soap operas.
Clark Gable and Vivian Leigh were were well known movie stars, and that, together with the vast sums poured into promoting the film, made it "a classic."
Today, it would be a four hour grade-B film no matter who was in it or how much was spent promoting it.
That's just my opinion, so let's hear the push back.
JHB
(37,154 posts)...it's just that they were on the radio back then. Television existed, but was still very early in development, so the only people who had the expensive sets were the "must have the latest gadget" types.
Which is just a bit of tech pedantry on my part. Your main point fully holds.
Hawaii Hiker
(3,165 posts)Other than it was a big budget, lengthy film..
I mean, the overacting was ghastly.....And the story line is absurd...
anamnua
(1,103 posts)Last edited Sun Jun 14, 2020, 09:14 PM - Edit history (1)
My thoughts on GWTW:
As a historical/social treatise it was offensive garbage.
As a deconstruction of the relationship between two highly dysfunctional characters it was excellent.