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highplainsdem

(48,897 posts)
Wed Jun 10, 2020, 10:25 PM Jun 2020

Donald Trump, Like the Confederacy, Is Picking the Wrong Hill to Die On

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/06/donald-trump-like-the-confederacy-is-picking-the-wrong-hill-to-die-on/


It is bad to name your bases after people who took up arms to preserve white supremacy, and bad to name them after people who took up arms against the United States. But it’s just sort of weird to name military bases after people who took up arms against the United States to preserve white supremacy and were so abjectly bad at it. Winning? Victory? Not by a long shot.

The best I can say about Henry L. Benning is that I literally do not even know what he did in the war to become famous. Braxton Bragg’s great contribution to the Lost Cause was a crushing defeat by Ulysses S. Grant at Chattanooga, which led to him being fired and eventually replaced by John Bell Hood. (Incredible eyebrows, though.) Hood was like a white-supremacist Leeroy Jenkins, forever going on offense against superior firepower and never learning any lessons. He lost control of Atlanta to Sherman, transferred to the Army of Tennessee and lost again at Franklin, and then effectively ended the war in the West when he lost half his army at Nashville. The Union commander at Nashville, Gen. George H. Thomas, was a native of Virginia who rejected the Confederacy to fight for the United States.

Trump’s support for keeping Confederate monuments is longstanding. “They’re trying to take away our history,” he said in 2017, when a wave of local officials began removing white-supremacist monuments across the country. He urged Virginia Republican to support gubernatorial candidate Ed Gillespie so he could “save our great statues/heritage!” Those white-supremacists he called “good people” in Charlottesville? They were rallying against the removal of a Robert E. Lee statue in the city’s downtown.

But if it’s winning, victory, and freedom we want to celebrate, there’s no shortage of heroic figures to choose from. Harriet Tubman, the victorious commander at Combahee Ferry in 1863, had a better win-loss record than Hood, for sure. William Harvey Carney, a former slave who joined the storied 54th Massachusetts Regiment, was shot three times and then won a medal of honor for retrieving the American flag from a fallen comrade at Fort Wagner that same year. That might be a good place to start for a self-styled protector of “our Great American Flag.” Despite the fact that Jeff Daniels (who I do not like) played him in a movie once, I like Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain, who accepted John B. “Fort” Gordon’s surrender at Appomattox and stopped John Bell “Fort” Hood’s advance at Gettysburg. His previous job was teaching at a New England liberal arts college. Talk about the heroism of ordinary people! America’s history of “freedom” and “winning,” such as it is, has nothing to do with the men these bases are currently named for. But it has everything to do with the men and women who defeated them.
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Donald Trump, Like the Confederacy, Is Picking the Wrong Hill to Die On (Original Post) highplainsdem Jun 2020 OP
Gen Thomas, aka "the Rock of Chickamauga" lapfog_1 Jun 2020 #1
As long as he dies, I don't care where RainCaster Jun 2020 #2
Gov. Chamberlain taught at Bowdoin College. I think he was a Dean? OAITW r.2.0 Jun 2020 #3
Good article & I like the proposed names! Hekate Jun 2020 #4
I hope this stuff is still prominent in November Awsi Dooger Jun 2020 #5
The way Trump is going DFW Jun 2020 #6
This is just canetoad Jun 2020 #7
Fort Pickett Is A Joke Too ProfessorGAC Jun 2020 #8

lapfog_1

(29,191 posts)
1. Gen Thomas, aka "the Rock of Chickamauga"
Wed Jun 10, 2020, 10:47 PM
Jun 2020

for his stout defense at the battle of Chickamauga Creek.

Funny how we named all of the military bases for Confederate Generals... but not so much for the Union Generals.

Yes, both sides had their share of idiot Generals, even Lee made a number of strategic errors, including throwing away an opportunity to "win" Gettysburg and possibly force the Union to sue for peace (which was the aim of invading Pennsylvania anyway).

I've never understood the fascination with Confederate generals... they were not "brilliant field commanders" anymore that the collection of Union generals.

OAITW r.2.0

(24,287 posts)
3. Gov. Chamberlain taught at Bowdoin College. I think he was a Dean?
Wed Jun 10, 2020, 10:53 PM
Jun 2020

Goddam liberal arts college....and he (with the 20th Maine) sure did his part in holding the flank for the Union at Gettysburg.

Thanks for posting....will Trump plant his flag on keeping the Confederacy legacy at our US military training bases? Stay tuned!

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
5. I hope this stuff is still prominent in November
Fri Jun 12, 2020, 04:21 AM
Jun 2020

The Trump presidency is unlike any other in that regard. There will undoubtedly be at least 2 or 3 subsequent firestorms that will knock Black Lives Matter to a distant memory.

ProfessorGAC

(64,827 posts)
8. Fort Pickett Is A Joke Too
Fri Jun 12, 2020, 07:05 AM
Jun 2020

A third tier general who acceded to Lee at Gettysburg and led his division into a slaughter.
An uphill "charge" into entrenched artillery positions? Agreeing to do it was just stupid.
He was either too dumb to recognize what a rotten plan it was or too chicken to tell Lee no.
Even Longstreet tried to talk Lee out of it because he knew what would happen.
Pickett lost 50% of his division to death or capture. Great plan!

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