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Thu Jun 11, 2020, 08:51 AM

Actually had a coworker try to tell me Antifa are fascists

I asked him how that was possible, he said, well they are.

I laughed at him

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Reply Actually had a coworker try to tell me Antifa are fascists (Original post)
liberal N proud Jun 2020 OP
PJMcK Jun 2020 #1
TheBlackAdder Jun 2020 #19
wnylib Jun 2020 #32
Silent3 Jun 2020 #26
genxlib Jun 2020 #2
Johnny2X2X Jun 2020 #15
Ligyron Jun 2020 #31
Towlie Jun 2020 #33
RVN VET71 Jun 2020 #39
Ligyron Jun 2020 #47
wnylib Jun 2020 #45
LuvNewcastle Jun 2020 #3
Blues Heron Jun 2020 #4
bullwinkle428 Jun 2020 #5
Historic NY Jun 2020 #40
Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2020 #6
luvtheGWN Jun 2020 #35
Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2020 #36
SharonClark Jun 2020 #7
keithbvadu2 Jun 2020 #8
liberal N proud Jun 2020 #9
Ferrets are Cool Jun 2020 #10
pwb Jun 2020 #11
fleur-de-lisa Jun 2020 #12
sarge43 Jun 2020 #18
beachbumbob Jun 2020 #13
liberal N proud Jun 2020 #14
Historic NY Jun 2020 #42
bucolic_frolic Jun 2020 #16
IronLionZion Jun 2020 #17
rickford66 Jun 2020 #20
Wounded Bear Jun 2020 #21
Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2020 #24
eShirl Jun 2020 #22
Wounded Bear Jun 2020 #25
liberal N proud Jun 2020 #27
marmar Jun 2020 #23
liberal N proud Jun 2020 #28
left-of-center2012 Jun 2020 #29
liberal N proud Jun 2020 #38
tiredtoo Jun 2020 #30
Joe Nation Jun 2020 #34
Hortensis Jun 2020 #37
maxsolomon Jun 2020 #46
DetlefK Jun 2020 #41
Ford_Prefect Jun 2020 #43
cayugafalls Jun 2020 #44
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2020 #48

Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Jun 11, 2020, 08:53 AM

1. The ignorant hurts my head

Antifa = anti-Fascist, right?

Your co-worker is quite foolish.

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Response to PJMcK (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 11, 2020, 10:28 AM

19. The deranged writings of F. A. Hayak tried to paint Fascists as an extreme extension of Socialism.

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F. A. Hayak is one of the underpinnings of the Modern Conservative Mind.

Deranged doesn't fully explain his mind and those of his followers.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #19)

Thu Jun 11, 2020, 11:11 AM

32. The idea that fascism socialism has

spread and taken hold among a lot of people.

I have heard it from a few people in person, but more often in online discussions.

And then there were the amazing people who said that Obama was a fascist communist atheist Muslim.

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Response to PJMcK (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 11, 2020, 10:43 AM

26. For the simple-minded, "fascist" simply means "I don't like them"...

...anti-American by some equally stupid idea of "American", bad people who want to cause trouble and take over and do bad stuff.

Same for "communist" and "socialist". It's all just a big, messy blur.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Jun 11, 2020, 08:57 AM

2. In fairness

The Nazis used the term Socialist in their party name even though they were the opposite.

Have had that argument a few times over the years.

But yeah, that is grade A level stupidity.

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Response to genxlib (Reply #2)

Thu Jun 11, 2020, 09:44 AM

15. There's a whole generation of Americans who've been raised to think Hitler was Liberal

Not joking, they lead every conversation about Hitler with Socialist. When you bring up how he killed Communists, gays, and Liberals in general along with Jews, they just don't accept it.

And something I believe actual historians have downplayed for generations is how religious (Christian) the Nazis were. Their whole philosophy was around their twisted take on the bible. Hitler never gave speeches without including multiple bible quotes. The highest honor a German soldier could receive was the Cross of Iron. They wore crosses on their uniforms and Christian symbology was abundant throughout their propaganda and decor.

People will say they were into the occult, and maybe there's some evidence of that, but the driving force behind their movement was no doubt Christianity. The Nazis were moved to action by their faith. Of course I doubt Hitler was all that religious, but he knew exactly what to say to make it seem like he was chosen by god to lead his people.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #15)

Thu Jun 11, 2020, 11:01 AM

31. They'll claim Hitler is an atheist too ...

... and they'll usually then add, "... just like Mao and Stalin!" Some will even throw in Obama who is somehow a Muslim too.

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Response to Ligyron (Reply #31)

Thu Jun 11, 2020, 11:15 AM

33. About the logic of claiming Hitler was an atheist.

Although he clearly wasn't, the goal of the claim is to promote this syllogism:

1. Hitler was an atheist.
2. Hitler was evil.
3. Therefore, atheists are evil.

The fallacy can be illustrated thusly:

1. Hitler was a vegetarian.
2. Hitler was evil.
3. Therefore, vegetarians are evil.

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Response to Towlie (Reply #33)

Thu Jun 11, 2020, 11:26 AM

39. I know what you're saying

But to Trump's crowd, your broken syllogisms simply prove, logically, that all vegetarian atheists are evil, Hitler loving Nazis.

Hey, they -- Trump's slobbering faithful -- voted for the greatest president of all time, the dude who needs never ask for forgiveness from god because, c'mon, what would he want to be forgiven for? (Trump actually made that claim, and still they follow him.)

Just sayin'.

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Response to Towlie (Reply #33)

Thu Jun 11, 2020, 09:55 PM

47. Those idiots hear "syllogism" and think it's is some strange new aesthetic belief system.

"Necessarily follows" is an order from Q to pay close attention to his double secret public 4 channel pronouncements.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #15)

Thu Jun 11, 2020, 12:39 PM

45. If you look into the Naxi party a little

more closely, you will find that Hitler and those closest to him did not believe in Christian theology. But like many people who seek absolute rule, they presented themselves as having God on their side. A bit like extremists everywhere who use religion for political domination, e.g. Trump and evangelicals, and terrorists who use their faith to justify political jihads.

There were 3 Christian leaders known for their opposition to Nazis, and many more unknown ones who worked with them. Martin Niemoller, Lutheran pastor, wrote the well known words "First they came for the Communists...." He was one of 3 men who founded the "confessing church" in opposition to the Nazi ruled "German Christian" church. Pastor Niemoller was arrested and survived 2 concentration camps.

Carl Barth was a German Swiss Reformed church theologian teaching and preaching in Bonn, Germany. He wrote a letter of opposition that he sent to Hitler. Removed from his post, he returned to Switzerland, where he assisted Christians inside Germany in their Nazi opposition.

Dietrich Bonhoeffer was a German Lutheran pastor who opposed Nazis before they came to power. He opposed the Nazi state takeover of Christian churches and founded an emergency program for pastors threatened by Nazis. Ran an underground "seminary" to train opposition clergy. Preached against Nazi euthanasia of "imperfect people" and genocidal attacks on Jews.

Bonhoeffer went to the US in 1939 to avoid conscription in the Nazi army. But he returned because he believed it was his moral duty to stand with the German people in order to lead reconstruction afterward. He was executed in a concentration camp 2 days before liberation.



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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Jun 11, 2020, 08:58 AM

3. I would tell him that Antifa is something

Alex Jones made up. I think that's closer to the truth.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Jun 11, 2020, 08:59 AM

4. I thought it was high school kids playing dressup

they're not an actual group are they?

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Jun 11, 2020, 09:04 AM

5. Trust me - this is the same guy that's been claiming that Hitler

was a "communist" for decades.

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Response to bullwinkle428 (Reply #5)

Thu Jun 11, 2020, 11:37 AM

40. So by that extension all white supremacists are Communists.

ok........

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Jun 11, 2020, 09:05 AM

6. I had coworkers tell me that Nazis were socialists.

They'd point out that it stood for "National Socialist German Workers' Party", and that was the extent of their knowledge.

Never mind how the Nazis actually operated, and their backing by industrialists.

They like SIMPLE answers, without much research.

Edit:
If Republicans were instead called the "Grand Old Socialist Party", and behaved the same as they do now, they would still be capitalist-promoting fascists.

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Response to Buckeye_Democrat (Reply #6)

Thu Jun 11, 2020, 11:15 AM

35. It's easy to throw a word like "socialist" into the official name

of a political party. To Germans at the time, socialist and workers seemed to signify that the Party represented the interests of the working class.

Now let's equate that name with the "Republican Party" or what's become of it -- for the Repubs in the Senate and the House, and certainly the White House, it's beginning to sound more like the Trump as Dictator Party.

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Response to luvtheGWN (Reply #35)

Thu Jun 11, 2020, 11:18 AM

36. It's not much of a "republic" when so many of them...

... cheat to not actually represent the will of their constituents, that's for sure!

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Jun 11, 2020, 09:08 AM

7. My neighbor told me they were white supremacists. Says a black cop told her that.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Jun 11, 2020, 09:11 AM

8. And Trump is a moral Christian.

And Trump is a moral Christian.

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #8)

Thu Jun 11, 2020, 09:13 AM

9. The same idiot believes that too

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Jun 11, 2020, 09:13 AM

10. OMFG

I want to say "how stupid can you be" but then I look at the pResident.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Jun 11, 2020, 09:15 AM

11. Anti is a hard word to understand for pukes.

Using Anti-Fa purposely instead Anti-Fascist.

You know like the people who defeated Fascist Hitler.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Jun 11, 2020, 09:23 AM

12. Words are hard, and stuff.

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Response to fleur-de-lisa (Reply #12)

Thu Jun 11, 2020, 10:23 AM

18. Facts are pesky things. n/t

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Jun 11, 2020, 09:30 AM

13. co-worker gets his info from Breitbart and foxnews I suspect,

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Response to beachbumbob (Reply #13)

Thu Jun 11, 2020, 09:37 AM

14. Definitely

He starts claiming something and when I ask his source, itís always FOX

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Response to beachbumbob (Reply #13)

Thu Jun 11, 2020, 11:47 AM

42. Or some other blog...

old fart dumbass saying that the 75 yrs old in Buffalo had a device to interfere with police radios...I said do you know how to use a cell phone, he doesn't have one. So I said now they got the catholic church in an uproar and the Episcopalian's. He's a pretend Christian.

He went on about the NYPD union cop hooting and hollering. I said yeah its a diversion, now by law they can't hide records on bad cops. NY passed 50A. I said a cop the lies and commits perjury should be fired they can and will be impeached in every court case, trial, proceeding, arrest. They are useless for enforcement. NYPD now can clean out the useless cops.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Jun 11, 2020, 10:17 AM

16. Don't waste your time talking to the slavery is freedom crowd

they ain't very bright

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Jun 11, 2020, 10:23 AM

17. That's good enough for me. All the evidence I need

There's no point talking with these people. It's fine to keep an eye on them to see how crazy it gets, but you can't have a rational discussion with irrational people.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Jun 11, 2020, 10:28 AM

20. And Republicans are the party of empathy

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Jun 11, 2020, 10:30 AM

21. Like calling Nazis left leaning because they have "socialist" in their name...

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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #21)

Thu Jun 11, 2020, 10:37 AM

24. Yep, I mentioned that earlier.

That seems to be the go-to reply by them if Nazis are brought up.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Jun 11, 2020, 10:34 AM

22. they talk about math literacy. what about history literacy?

we need it

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Response to eShirl (Reply #22)

Thu Jun 11, 2020, 10:38 AM

25. We really need that...nt

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Response to eShirl (Reply #22)

Thu Jun 11, 2020, 10:45 AM

27. Yes

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Jun 11, 2020, 10:35 AM

23. Sounds like a Fox News-affected brain.

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Response to marmar (Reply #23)

Thu Jun 11, 2020, 10:47 AM

28. Their go to source for their version of anything

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Jun 11, 2020, 10:56 AM

29. 'War Is Peace. Freedom Is Slavery. Ignorance Is Strength'.

George Orwell's 1984 explains Trump
DONALD TRUMP was predicted in George Orwell's 1984
and sales of the book rocket over comparisons with doublespeak, crimestop, alternative facts and reality control.

https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/books/759436/Trump-George-Orwell-1984-Doublespeak-alternative-facts-crimestop-reality-control

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #29)

Thu Jun 11, 2020, 11:25 AM

38. Yep

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Jun 11, 2020, 11:00 AM

30. Trumpers have been trained to believe

Anything he says or anything from fox. Usually unable to break through their ignorance.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Jun 11, 2020, 11:15 AM

34. I've had the same conversation with other Republicans as well. Must have been on Fox at some point

Up is down, black is white, don't believe your own eyes and ears, they have officially entered dystopia and bought into Big Brother.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Jun 11, 2020, 11:25 AM

37. Huh! Just look up "antifa" cartoons. Cartoon world is always strongly

loaded with RW lies, but this one especially so. Antifa = fascism.



The loyal right, knows "fascist" = bad, but not that it's archconservative extremism. So their own increasingly fascistic leaders give them cartoons and people who read the line that fascism is almost impossible to define and anyway the fascist states were in Europe and destroyed by WWII.

And for people who googled "liberal" and "fascists" and found nothing, a book was written called..."Liberal Fascism"! None of them actually need to read the book, of course. The title and the cartoons confirm all they need to know. They must stop us!



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Response to Hortensis (Reply #37)

Thu Jun 11, 2020, 12:45 PM

46. This is exactly it.

The constant whinging of the Proud Boys when their hate speech is challenged on the streets. Tolerate my Intolerance!

Andy Ngo, suing for 900K because he had a vegan milkshake tossed at him.

Meantime, Jeremy Christian slashes 2 people to death on the Max train.

Meantime, the Hokanas walk away free thanks to Jury Nullification, after shooting Josh Dukes point blank in the guts on UW's campus.

Meantime, Aamon Bundy walks away free thanks to Jury Nullification after occupying the Malheur Refuge and getting one of his followers killed.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Jun 11, 2020, 11:40 AM

41. Watched an online-debate with a Flat-Earther the other day...

"Show me the curve! Show me the curve!" (While being shown a live-feed from a japanese satellite showing the ball Earth.)

- "Speak after me: The horizon is CAUSED by the curvature of Earth. It is not identical to the curve."
- "I'm not gonna say that!"


- "Do you have evidence that the SpaceX rocket-launch was fake?"
- "Yeah! Earth is flat!"

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Jun 11, 2020, 11:50 AM

43. I had the Dentist's assistant tell me the rioters are getting away with destroying America.

"They haven't arrested any of them," she said disappointedly.

We do share the same view of the Virus though. We agreed that it was foolish at the least for everyone to walk around in town and in stores without masks as if staying apart far enough will do it.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Jun 11, 2020, 11:55 AM

44. Doublespeak.

I've always found that simply saying "you're wrong" is enough.

It does not cause a fight.

A simple statement of fact. If they try to assert, hold firm. "You're wrong."

Say it with a normal tone. Walk away. They are the one left thinking.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Jun 11, 2020, 10:19 PM

48. Just like Nazis were Socialists

And Saddam Hussein's Elite Republican Guard were members of the GOP.

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