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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsActually had a coworker try to tell me Antifa are fascists
I asked him how that was possible, he said, well they are.
I laughed at him
PJMcK
(21,916 posts)Antifa = anti-Fascist, right?
Your co-worker is quite foolish.
TheBlackAdder
(28,070 posts).
F. A. Hayak is one of the underpinnings of the Modern Conservative Mind.
Deranged doesn't fully explain his mind and those of his followers.
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wnylib
(21,146 posts)spread and taken hold among a lot of people.
I have heard it from a few people in person, but more often in online discussions.
And then there were the amazing people who said that Obama was a fascist communist atheist Muslim.
Silent3
(15,018 posts)...anti-American by some equally stupid idea of "American", bad people who want to cause trouble and take over and do bad stuff.
Same for "communist" and "socialist". It's all just a big, messy blur.
genxlib
(5,506 posts)The Nazis used the term Socialist in their party name even though they were the opposite.
Have had that argument a few times over the years.
But yeah, that is grade A level stupidity.
Johnny2X2X
(18,731 posts)Not joking, they lead every conversation about Hitler with Socialist. When you bring up how he killed Communists, gays, and Liberals in general along with Jews, they just don't accept it.
And something I believe actual historians have downplayed for generations is how religious (Christian) the Nazis were. Their whole philosophy was around their twisted take on the bible. Hitler never gave speeches without including multiple bible quotes. The highest honor a German soldier could receive was the Cross of Iron. They wore crosses on their uniforms and Christian symbology was abundant throughout their propaganda and decor.
People will say they were into the occult, and maybe there's some evidence of that, but the driving force behind their movement was no doubt Christianity. The Nazis were moved to action by their faith. Of course I doubt Hitler was all that religious, but he knew exactly what to say to make it seem like he was chosen by god to lead his people.
Ligyron
(7,592 posts)... and they'll usually then add, "... just like Mao and Stalin!" Some will even throw in Obama who is somehow a Muslim too.
Towlie
(5,307 posts)Although he clearly wasn't, the goal of the claim is to promote this syllogism:
1. Hitler was an atheist.
2. Hitler was evil.
3. Therefore, atheists are evil.
The fallacy can be illustrated thusly:
1. Hitler was a vegetarian.
2. Hitler was evil.
3. Therefore, vegetarians are evil.
RVN VET71
(2,686 posts)But to Trump's crowd, your broken syllogisms simply prove, logically, that all vegetarian atheists are evil, Hitler loving Nazis.
Hey, they -- Trump's slobbering faithful -- voted for the greatest president of all time, the dude who needs never ask for forgiveness from god because, c'mon, what would he want to be forgiven for? (Trump actually made that claim, and still they follow him.)
Just sayin'.
Ligyron
(7,592 posts)"Necessarily follows" is an order from Q to pay close attention to his double secret public 4 channel pronouncements.
wnylib
(21,146 posts)more closely, you will find that Hitler and those closest to him did not believe in Christian theology. But like many people who seek absolute rule, they presented themselves as having God on their side. A bit like extremists everywhere who use religion for political domination, e.g. Trump and evangelicals, and terrorists who use their faith to justify political jihads.
There were 3 Christian leaders known for their opposition to Nazis, and many more unknown ones who worked with them. Martin Niemoller, Lutheran pastor, wrote the well known words "First they came for the Communists...." He was one of 3 men who founded the "confessing church" in opposition to the Nazi ruled "German Christian" church. Pastor Niemoller was arrested and survived 2 concentration camps.
Carl Barth was a German Swiss Reformed church theologian teaching and preaching in Bonn, Germany. He wrote a letter of opposition that he sent to Hitler. Removed from his post, he returned to Switzerland, where he assisted Christians inside Germany in their Nazi opposition.
Dietrich Bonhoeffer was a German Lutheran pastor who opposed Nazis before they came to power. He opposed the Nazi state takeover of Christian churches and founded an emergency program for pastors threatened by Nazis. Ran an underground "seminary" to train opposition clergy. Preached against Nazi euthanasia of "imperfect people" and genocidal attacks on Jews.
Bonhoeffer went to the US in 1939 to avoid conscription in the Nazi army. But he returned because he believed it was his moral duty to stand with the German people in order to lead reconstruction afterward. He was executed in a concentration camp 2 days before liberation.
LuvNewcastle
(16,820 posts)Alex Jones made up. I think that's closer to the truth.
Blues Heron
(5,898 posts)they're not an actual group are they?
bullwinkle428
(20,626 posts)was a "communist" for decades.
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)ok........
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,846 posts)They'd point out that it stood for "National Socialist German Workers' Party", and that was the extent of their knowledge.
Never mind how the Nazis actually operated, and their backing by industrialists.
They like SIMPLE answers, without much research.
Edit:
If Republicans were instead called the "Grand Old Socialist Party", and behaved the same as they do now, they would still be capitalist-promoting fascists.
luvtheGWN
(1,336 posts)of a political party. To Germans at the time, socialist and workers seemed to signify that the Party represented the interests of the working class.
Now let's equate that name with the "Republican Party" or what's become of it -- for the Repubs in the Senate and the House, and certainly the White House, it's beginning to sound more like the Trump as Dictator Party.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,846 posts)... cheat to not actually represent the will of their constituents, that's for sure!
SharonClark
(10,005 posts)keithbvadu2
(36,360 posts)And Trump is a moral Christian.
liberal N proud
(60,298 posts)Ferrets are Cool
(21,057 posts)I want to say "how stupid can you be" but then I look at the pResident.
pwb
(11,204 posts)Using Anti-Fa purposely instead Anti-Fascist.
You know like the people who defeated Fascist Hitler.
fleur-de-lisa
(14,615 posts)sarge43
(28,939 posts)beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)liberal N proud
(60,298 posts)He starts claiming something and when I ask his source, its always FOX
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)old fart dumbass saying that the 75 yrs old in Buffalo had a device to interfere with police radios...I said do you know how to use a cell phone, he doesn't have one. So I said now they got the catholic church in an uproar and the Episcopalian's. He's a pretend Christian.
He went on about the NYPD union cop hooting and hollering. I said yeah its a diversion, now by law they can't hide records on bad cops. NY passed 50A. I said a cop the lies and commits perjury should be fired they can and will be impeached in every court case, trial, proceeding, arrest. They are useless for enforcement. NYPD now can clean out the useless cops.
bucolic_frolic
(42,651 posts)they ain't very bright
IronLionZion
(45,250 posts)There's no point talking with these people. It's fine to keep an eye on them to see how crazy it gets, but you can't have a rational discussion with irrational people.
rickford66
(5,497 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,436 posts)Buckeye_Democrat
(14,846 posts)That seems to be the go-to reply by them if Nazis are brought up.
eShirl
(18,466 posts)we need it
Wounded Bear
(58,436 posts)liberal N proud
(60,298 posts)marmar
(76,976 posts)liberal N proud
(60,298 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)George Orwell's 1984 explains Trump
DONALD TRUMP was predicted in George Orwell's 1984
and sales of the book rocket over comparisons with doublespeak, crimestop, alternative facts and reality control.
https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/books/759436/Trump-George-Orwell-1984-Doublespeak-alternative-facts-crimestop-reality-control
liberal N proud
(60,298 posts)tiredtoo
(2,949 posts)Anything he says or anything from fox. Usually unable to break through their ignorance.
Joe Nation
(961 posts)Up is down, black is white, don't believe your own eyes and ears, they have officially entered dystopia and bought into Big Brother.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)loaded with RW lies, but this one especially so. Antifa = fascism.
The loyal right, knows "fascist" = bad, but not that it's archconservative extremism. So their own increasingly fascistic leaders give them cartoons and people who read the line that fascism is almost impossible to define and anyway the fascist states were in Europe and destroyed by WWII.
And for people who googled "liberal" and "fascists" and found nothing, a book was written called..."Liberal Fascism"! None of them actually need to read the book, of course. The title and the cartoons confirm all they need to know. They must stop us!
maxsolomon
(32,975 posts)The constant whinging of the Proud Boys when their hate speech is challenged on the streets. Tolerate my Intolerance!
Andy Ngo, suing for 900K because he had a vegan milkshake tossed at him.
Meantime, Jeremy Christian slashes 2 people to death on the Max train.
Meantime, the Hokanas walk away free thanks to Jury Nullification, after shooting Josh Dukes point blank in the guts on UW's campus.
Meantime, Aamon Bundy walks away free thanks to Jury Nullification after occupying the Malheur Refuge and getting one of his followers killed.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)- "Speak after me: The horizon is CAUSED by the curvature of Earth. It is not identical to the curve."
- "I'm not gonna say that!"
- "Do you have evidence that the SpaceX rocket-launch was fake?"
- "Yeah! Earth is flat!"
Ford_Prefect
(7,817 posts)"They haven't arrested any of them," she said disappointedly.
We do share the same view of the Virus though. We agreed that it was foolish at the least for everyone to walk around in town and in stores without masks as if staying apart far enough will do it.
cayugafalls
(5,629 posts)I've always found that simply saying "you're wrong" is enough.
It does not cause a fight.
A simple statement of fact. If they try to assert, hold firm. "You're wrong."
Say it with a normal tone. Walk away. They are the one left thinking.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,063 posts)And Saddam Hussein's Elite Republican Guard were members of the GOP.