FFS!!! Black man pulled over and issued a warning for doing 65 in a 70!!!

[USALiberal]

[uponit7771]

1. Thug Cops To America: "Yaw need to fuck off, we can do whatever we want dammit"

[jimfields33]

2. When was this taken? Ridiculous to be pulled over as 70 in a 65 is regularly done.

[ProfessorGAC]

4. They'd Pull Me Over Every Time

My speedometer read a few MPH high. So, I hit 68 or so and cruise control.
I'd be doing 65 half the time, 66 the other half.
Of course, I'm white. So it's probably ok for me to do it!

[USALiberal]

12. He was UNDER the speed limit. Nt

[ProfessorGAC]

17. That's What I Said!

I said I go 65 or 66 on the interstate.
So, I'm under the speed limit too!
I NEVER (!!!) speed. Never.
I'm not in that big a hurry to get anywhere.
So, not sure what you mean.

[woodsprite]

23. Speed Limit vs Minimum Speed.

If "Minimum speed" wasn't posted, than 65 should be fine. As 70mph was the "Speed Limit" than nobody should be driving higher than the "limit".

[stillcool]

5. it was 65 in a 70..

according to the officer in the video

[USALiberal]

7. He was 5 miles UNDER the speed limit. Nt

[underpants]

3. 20 below is a pull over able reason

5?

[Ms. Toad]

10. Shouldn't be on a highway -

with a posted minimum (typically between 40 and 50).

Since the speed limit was 70, I suspect that was the situation.

[USALiberal]

13. He was 5 mph under. Nt

[Ms. Toad]

15. Did something I said suggest I didn't know that?

I was responding to someone who said 20 mph under would be grounds to stop.

On a 70 mph highway, 20 mph under would be 50. If there is a posted minimum of between 40 & 50 (as is typical on most highways I've seen), EVEN 20 mph should not be grounds to stop.

[ProfessorGAC]

19. Agreed

Lower limit on interstates in Illinois is 45. So, going 50 is not grounds to stop someone.

[underpants]

21. It is in Va.

as I’ve always understood it

[USALiberal]

20. Ok, sorry. Nt

[underpants]

22. Never seen a posted minimum in Va.

We are really good at posting speed limits. I’ve driven in other states and had no idea what the limit was for a long while.

[Ms. Toad]

24. The signs are typically posted at entrance ramps.

I see them in most states. In most states it is 45.

It appears Virginia does not have a generic minimum - but if slower traffic would make things dangerous they have the ability to specify a minumum (with the implication that unless the minimum is posted you can travel at 1 mph if you want to).

[underpants]

25. It specified in the law

No need to post a sign.

[Ms. Toad]

32. In Virginia, it actually isn't -

There is no minimum speed in VA, unless it is determined there needs to be for a specific road. (That's what I just checked)

But the point still holds - whether it is posted or just in the law, if there is a minimum speed the "20 mph under" isn't a valid reason to stop unless that speed puts you below the minimum (or violates a different law - such as one that prohibits driving at a speed unsafe for the conditions).

[underpants]

41. Okay. I remember learning that years ago

I guess it changed.

[Ms. Toad]

46. The 20 under may just be a rule of thumb -

Like the rule of thumb that police don't generally stop you if you're less than 5 over (unless you're black, and then the rule is aparently is stop if even close to the speed limit).

[tavernier]

6. That was just weird.

[LudwigPastorius]

45. He pulled him over because he saw a black man in a new car...

and he assumed A) it was stolen, B) the driver was inebriated, or C) the driver had drugs or weapons in the car.

It was a fishing expedition by a racist cop.

[Maeve]

64. That is the impression I got as well

[Ms. Toad]

8. That police officer must have gone to the same driving school as my spouse . . .

I constantly have to bite my tongue when she says(at least onece a month), "They're not even driving the speed limit."

Umm . . . last I checked, the speed limit is a cap, not a floor.

[BootinUp]

42. Now ya tell me. Lol

[HAB911]

9. This flood of videos,

sometimes I just can't believe what I am seeing.

Do we all have to start wearing bodycams? If I was black, I would.

[Newest Reality]

11. That's harassment

That's harassment, to me.

Notice how the pig was feeling around to see if the driver knew his rights. Those questions were not pertinent to the stop, but more along the lines of an investigation which is where your rights kick in and you can be silent or ask if you are part of an investigation and if you are free to go.

Casual conversation my ass. That as an interrogation. A warning was just an insult and maybe the cop trying to justify the stop.

I was shocked that the fellow got out of his car to ask anything and it felt dangerous watching him. Luckily the cop was not in full murder mode at the time.

[cwydro]

14. Yeah, that was scary when he got out.

The cop obviously knew he'd been caught being a big fucking liar.

That "warning" was just to help him save face, but just made him look more like the imbecile he is.

I hope that guy followed up on that ridiculous stop.

[Mariana]

31. Of course the cop was fishing for an excuse to search the car and/or arrest the driver.

And then the cop tried to suggest the driver was being unreasonable, for not wanting to participate in the cop's fishing expedition.

At least the cop helpfully identified himself and his department. Copies of this vid should be sent to all public officials in that jurisdiction, and to all the media outlets there, too.

[Kashkakat v.2.0]

16. GET A GOOD LAWYER man and sue his arse - a speed LIMIT is NOT a speed requirement. Unless he

can cite exact statute which does not allow 5 mph under speed limit (highly unlikely) there were no grounds whatsoever for stop - let alone all the questioning about his job, where hes going etc. Yeah there are sometimes minimum limits but generally these are about 20 mph less AND MUST BE POSTED.

Thank goodness for video.

I often find mmyself going 5-10 mph less than limit if its a twisty road or a I dont know the way. NEVER got stopped ever--- but then Im an old white lady and I guess driving too slow is what old ladies do (insert rolling eyeballs here)

[unblock]

18. i've been pulled over because my license plate frame barely obscured the "constitution state" motto

you could clearly see the plate number and "connecticut", but the "constitution state" part was maybe 1/8th of an inch obscured. of course you could still easily read it.

apparently, that's enough to get you pulled over if they want to.


i've since removed the frames, which were only there because the dealer had put them on in the first place.


in the case of the 5 mph under excuse, this is just lazness on the part of the cop if nothing else. follow any driver for a few minutes and you'll find a more legitimate excuse to pull them over. failure to signal early enough, not driving in a perfectly straight line, too close to the car in front, etc.

or, of course, actually driving *over* the limit....

[chia]

26. Your papers please

[ooky]

27. WTF was that?

This is an example of why we need less police. They don't have anything better to do with their time than hassle people. For godsakes take the fucking money this fuckhead is paid and use it to help poor have places to live and food to eat.

This cop should be fired.

[ChiTownDenny]

57. Driving while black. Disgusting!

Wanna know what's stupid? Being pulled over for driving while black and then exiting your car to confront the cop.

[Shrike47]

28. Pretext stop, the cop was trolling for a crime.

[stopdiggin]

34. yep. kinda' surprised so many here got hung up on the 65-70 thing.

Not the point. Pretext stop. Fishing expedition. 5mph under is not a citation.
But a random stop to "check it out" is common as dirt.

Incidentally .. this vid has been around for a while.

[TheBlackAdder]

29. The cop wants him to drive 70 so he can claim he was driving 73 and ticket him.

[qazplm135]

30. common...

I was searched for drugs back in 1998. I was an enlisted Soldier getting off active duty and traveling to El Paso for undergrad registration. On the way back, cops saw me and pulled ahead of me for awhile while passenger side cop stared me down, then pulled behind me and pulled me over.

Gave them my license, rental agreement, and even my college registration materials.

They STILL searched my car for drugs.

Given I was in West Texas with two cops, complying seemed wiser than not. I was just lucky the previous owner wasn't a druggie.

They even searched the inside of the windshield.

After they were all done, it was ok, great, have a nice day. No ticket, no warning, no indication I was doing anything wrong.

They just saw a youngish black man in a rental car.

[woodsprite]

33. Wonder if someone at the rental car company reported the car as stolen

since he said it had been due back "yesterday at 2:30". Maybe the person at the rental company didn't check to see if it the rental had been extended.

[stopdiggin]

35. nope. nothing in the interaction suggests anything like that.

this was just a fishing expedition. with an invented reason for a stop. it's common practice.

Driving while black was the primary reason (with a veneer of 'overly cautious driver' as additional pretext). But it was entirely a "black guy .. check it out" stop.

this vid has been around for a bit (mid-Feb.?) .. so actually pre-escalation. you can find it, with more explanation and context, easily on google.

[AnotherMother4Peace]

36. No, that is not their practice. That would be a disastrous business model if everytime

a car is kept later than expected it is reported stolen - holy crap. Last time I rented a car, an emergency required I keep it days longer.
I was finally able to contact and square it with the company - and all was good.

No - rental companies don't report overdue cars as stolen - they have all your info, and are used to unforeseen circumstances. Actually it makes money for them.

[Tink41]

60. Not arguing with you

I had driven a rental from Illinois to Florida, and back for about 14 days. It took way longer to get back than I thought. Had the car 3 extra days, I brought it back in the morning after a good's night rest. No one from agency contacted me. In fact, I called them several times because I was sure they might be suspicious. Rental cars have tracking devices on them. They want it they will come and get it.

[OnDoutside]

37. I was concerned for his safety when he got out of the car. I can understand him being upset, but

doing the video alone will do enough damage to that shithead.

[jayfish]

38. This Kind of Stuff Is All Over YT.

I can't wait until DU discovers 1st Amendment audits en masse.

[kacekwl]

39. I love everyone arguing specifics here.

The cop was a dick who had no good reason to pull him over other than he was black.

[marie999]

40. The speed limit was 70 MPH.

That means that 70 MPH is the fastest you can drive legally on a clear day when the roads are dry and no construction.

[LudwigPastorius]

43. Oink!

[IronLionZion]

44. Hoping for drugs, guns, cash, or some sort of crime

This happens a lot for folks who drive across states for work or even vacation.

Who decides what is "suspicious". Local cops see someone who looks different (black/brown) or out of state plates, they are hoping to win the lottery and catch someone with drugs. They have caught people who were traveling with lots of cash because they work in cash only businesses or don't trust banks. In those cases, they just seize the cash through civil asset forfeiture. Guns are great if you're white, but can get a POC killed.

Obviously it is not a crime to drive 5 under the limit. There is nothing in that warning. They just make up excuses. They also use busted tail light, head light, wipers, or whatever they can think of. But to a POC, a police pullover is the most dangerous few minutes of his life.

[dsc]

47. I travel that road a lot

like crazy alot. There is no law against traveling 5 mph under the speed limit that is horse shit. I will say I travel at a few above all the time I take that route but I have seen people travel below and have traveled below involuntarily and have never seen someone pulled over for that.

[chwaliszewski]

48. FFS is right.

[saidsimplesimon]

49. Driving while black

I've been pulled over for "a warning" while driving over the speed limit. "White Privilege" offers so many bonus points.

[blueinredohio]

50. That happened yo me one morning on my way home from work.

Even asked me how long I had worked there and when I was going to retire. And I'm an old white woman.

[Hav]

52. Even if one assumed that these are questions to diffuse the situation

or attempts to have a casual conversation, those aren't suitable or even appropriate questions to achieve that. They are just weird as were those in the video.

[blueinredohio]

66. I know it was one of the weirdest things that have ever happened to me.

[Hav]

51. "I got stuff to do"

That'd be hilarious if the circumstances behind shit like this weren't so tragic.
It's suspicious to drive 5 under the allowed limit? I was hoping that this was just a joke or fake but after the cop and police car were shown, it's likely not fake.

But during the conversation, you could see what Don Lemon alluded to, the constant need to restrain yourself.
No idea what this ahole wanted but he was fishing for something. The encounter might have been different had it not been recorded. A good example for a useless pos that isn't needed at all. Throw him out and save the money.

[Jim__]

53. Is it legal to pull a car over without reason?

I know they do it at alcohol check roadblocks, but there were a number of court cases on that. And road blocks stop everyone. This is pulling over 1 car that is not violating any law; and then asking him where is he going, etc. We don't have to tell the cops where we're going or where we're coming from. I thought we were protected from random stops by the police.

This looks like an illegal stop to me.

[LiberalArkie]

54. It is usually called impeding the flow of traffic.

When I lived in Houston a lady got a ticket for driving 65 on the autobahn down there. Everyone else was doing 80 or 90 and she was impeding the flow of traffic.

[ProfessorGAC]

58. Ticket Wouldn't Stick In Illinois

Here, troopers cannot ticket for that offense if above the minimum, or if the traffic is moving at unlawful spped.
In Illinois, one is under no obligation to go faster because others are violating the limit.
Obviously, Texas is different.

[SeattleVet]

55. Related excellent read about what happens when a white woman drives with her dog:

https://franklywrite.com/2020/06/01/a-white-woman-racism-and-a-poodle/

Multiple stops when she had her black poodle in the car with her. "3 miles under the speed limit and impeding traffic" when there was no other traffic.

"I was furious. I wanted to go home and rage at every police department that pulled me over. I wasn’t impeding traffic, it’s not my van, it’s not my driving–they thought Merlin <her poodle> was a black man!"

[dalton99a]

63. +1

[Aviation Pro]

56. Don't ever talk to the police in an official capacity

Goes for white folks too.

[Smackdown2019]

59. Post that video EVERYWHERE!

That was an illegal stop, you was illegally detained for no reason.

[aggiesal]

61. Officer says: "Wouldn't you say that traveling under the speed limit is suspicious?" ...

To answer the question NO!

In California, whatever the posted speed limit is, we have to at least
be driving within 10 miles per hour of that posted speed limit.
For example, if the speed limit says 70 mph, we have to drive at least 60 mph.

Driving more then 10 mph slower, becomes a road hazard.
So if we are driving less than 60 mph, yes that warrants a ticket.

If you have to drive less than 60 mph, you should drive on the shoulder
and have the hazard lights flashing, so that the vehicle can be moved
out of harms way.

In this video, this is pure harassment. I don't know what state this is but
most states have the same 10 mph slower law, on the books.
Driving 65 mph in a posted 70 mph zone, should be applauded, not warned.

I'm willing to bet this officer actually knows this law, but harassed anyway.

[debsy]

62. This is absolutely unheard of in the world of white privilege.

The act of pulling this man over for going 5 mph under the speed limit is morally reprehensible. When black people say, "legalize being black", they are speaking the literal truth that they have to live with every day. The man in the video, just as so many before him, did absolutely nothing wrong.

How is skin pigment color any different than hair color or height and weight? Everyone is different and unique but we all belong to the same species that originated in Africa, for fuck's sake. We are ALL descendants of Africa, the birth place of humanity. There is only one race: the human race. That should be the first thing every child on is taught.

BLACK LIVES MATTER!

[TristanIsolde]

67. Is it ok to call officers an animal that goes oink oink on this site

Don't want to unknowingly break the rules

[BComplex]

68. This is in North Carolina. I hope this driver reported the cop for profiling.

This was obviously a racist act on part of the cop.