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Heartstrings

(7,349 posts)
Fri Jun 12, 2020, 11:28 AM Jun 2020

Fallacies to avoid when discussing racism and police brutality


Artist: @ noelle.cress Instagram

Edited to add:
**trigger warning: ignorance**
I was attempting to moderate the comments and remove comments that included curse words, insults, and political opinions (as this is not a political post), but I can no longer keep up. These logical fallacies should be avoided when arguing from any side. I hope those who share find it helpful in the way I found it helpful.









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Fallacies to avoid when discussing racism and police brutality (Original Post) Heartstrings Jun 2020 OP
those are handy RussBLib Jun 2020 #1
They are helpful. SharonClark Jun 2020 #2
Another thing is not to change the subject from racism and police brutality StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #4
I don't agree with the 'Ad Hominem Fallacy' definition. Aristus Jun 2020 #3
There's a difference between being uneducated and being ignorant/uninformed StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #5
In this case, the think the term uneducated can be argued from the general to the specific. Aristus Jun 2020 #6
That's awful lot of explaining to do StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #7
Thanks for these. yonder Jun 2020 #8

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
2. They are helpful.
Fri Jun 12, 2020, 11:37 AM
Jun 2020

But what they remind me of are some of the responses to a recent post about J.K. Rowling's anti-trans woman statements.

The response of several people was to state they never liked her books, anyway, and thought they were dumb. I'm not sure which of the fallacies that falls under.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
4. Another thing is not to change the subject from racism and police brutality
Fri Jun 12, 2020, 11:44 AM
Jun 2020

to make it about other people, even if they are also an oppressed group.

This OP is about how not to divert attention from the issue of racism and police brutality ...

Aristus

(66,328 posts)
3. I don't agree with the 'Ad Hominem Fallacy' definition.
Fri Jun 12, 2020, 11:41 AM
Jun 2020

If one is uneducated, one's opinion is invalid.

Harlan Ellison used to say "You are not entitled to your opinion; you are entitled to your informed opinion. If you don't know what you're talking about, STFU. Or better yet, STFU and listen to me; I know what I'm talking about.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
5. There's a difference between being uneducated and being ignorant/uninformed
Fri Jun 12, 2020, 11:45 AM
Jun 2020

Some of the wisest, most informed and insightful people I know are not well-educated.

Aristus

(66,328 posts)
6. In this case, the think the term uneducated can be argued from the general to the specific.
Fri Jun 12, 2020, 11:48 AM
Jun 2020

One can be educated on a lot of subjects, but if one is offering an opinion on a subject about which one has not been educated, it falls under the same definition. So 'uneducated' in this case would have significant overlap on a Venn Diagram with 'ignorant.'

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
7. That's awful lot of explaining to do
Fri Jun 12, 2020, 11:52 AM
Jun 2020

That's why I don't use "uneducated" as a pejorative. I prefer "uninformed."

yonder

(9,664 posts)
8. Thanks for these.
Fri Jun 12, 2020, 12:39 PM
Jun 2020

I always got a red herring and a straw man mixed up till a friend suggested to think of a red herring as just that: an old, dead fish whose smell was so bad it would distract one from the argument at hand.

Another one to add might be the fallacy of composition. Where changing a condition for the benefit of an individual means that same change will benefit all.
Example: if one person in a crowded stadium stands up to get a better view, then everyone will have a better view if they all stand up. There might be an inverse of that one too, but I forget the name.

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