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NYCButterfinger

(755 posts)
Sat Jun 13, 2020, 10:33 AM Jun 2020

Why are most white NYPD officers so Republican?

It shouldn't really matter who a police officer is politically, but why are most white NYPD cops Republican? A lot of them are siding with the NYC PBA president Pat Lynch and Giuliani and Kerik over de Blasio and Cuomo.

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Why are most white NYPD officers so Republican? (Original Post) NYCButterfinger Jun 2020 OP
Another question Sanity Claws Jun 2020 #1
lol, thought Staten Island was the mecca of NYPD - nt Jersey Devil Jun 2020 #7
NYC area is big, so residency requirements won't work in NYC. Too expensive to live in. NYCButterfinger Jun 2020 #11
I don't think that's correct lapucelle Jun 2020 #12
Availability heuristic, confirmation bias, Igel Jun 2020 #19
When Giuliani was campaigning for mayor of NYC (as a republican): no_hypocrisy Jun 2020 #2
I posted on that a couple of days ago JHB Jun 2020 #9
Most NYC policemen come from Staten Island (also known as Mississippi on the jrthin Jun 2020 #3
Long Island is Trump Country NYCButterfinger Jun 2020 #10
I would not say that Black and Lationos don't want to jrthin Jun 2020 #14
I grew up on Staten Island and lived there for 35 years. lapucelle Jun 2020 #16
The R stands for racist dlk Jun 2020 #4
I guess unions are a-okay as long as they suit the GOP's purposes GreenEyedLefty Jun 2020 #5
Money. Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2020 #6
Because the Republicans have spent the last 60 years shaping themselves... JHB Jun 2020 #8
Most police officers vote Republican, whether they're from NYC HotTeaBag Jun 2020 #13
I believe THEY FEEL they get more support & respect from Republicans. jmg257 Jun 2020 #15
The sports teams shower them with praise as well NYCButterfinger Jun 2020 #17
becasue the basic rules apply across white america where so many are racists in their hearts beachbumbob Jun 2020 #18
Eliminate the Drug War and policing will attract fewer Republicans gulliver Jun 2020 #20
Something else to keep in mind. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2020 #21

Sanity Claws

(21,846 posts)
1. Another question
Sat Jun 13, 2020, 10:38 AM
Jun 2020

Why do they all seem to live in Nassau county, not in NYC?

This pisses me off to no end. Police officers should live in the community in which they work. Instead they come to work into a different city and think they are above and better than the city residents.

 

NYCButterfinger

(755 posts)
11. NYC area is big, so residency requirements won't work in NYC. Too expensive to live in.
Sat Jun 13, 2020, 10:58 AM
Jun 2020

The police officer salary in NYC is not enough to live there.

Nassau, Suffolk, NYC suburbs where a lot of white cops live, is affluent, and I think that a lot of them get suburban mentality that they bring on the job.

On LI, they get support from Pete King, etc.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
19. Availability heuristic, confirmation bias,
Sat Jun 13, 2020, 12:35 PM
Jun 2020

media hostility bias ...

It comes with being human.


"Most" in the OP is echoed by "some" later, but even that "some" is just a subset of the officers present, already a subset of the total number of police.

"Most" often means "a few, but the ones that I noticed and got upset at."

Sometimes perceptions are right, sometimes completely wrong, often somewhere in between. It comes with being human.

no_hypocrisy

(46,080 posts)
2. When Giuliani was campaigning for mayor of NYC (as a republican):
Sat Jun 13, 2020, 10:41 AM
Jun 2020

1. He pushed his "legendary" record of being a tough federal prosecutor, not afraid of Wall Street tycoons or the mob. How could law enforcement not like that? Guys like Giuliani validated their dedication and work.

2. There was a large Giuliani-for-Mayor rally in the summer of that election. Giuliani was going nuts (again) but with a bullhorn. He was yelling/screaming about the contempt that the current mayor, an African-American, (David Dinkins) felt for NYC police. Giuliani got them all whipped up, continually screaming "Bullshit! Bullshit! Bullshit!) Pretty soon, they joined him, yelling and screaming like a hockey game.

That's just a couple of examples why white NYPD officers lean right.

JHB

(37,158 posts)
9. I posted on that a couple of days ago
Sat Jun 13, 2020, 10:49 AM
Jun 2020

From https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213581354#post3
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And, just keeping it to Rudy and not going back to stuff Frank Serpico shed light on, or any of the stuff before then...

Let's go to Rudy's unofficial mayoral campaign kickoff, the Sept. 16, 1992 police protest/riot about the Civilian Complaint Review Board:




Rudy’s Racist Rants: An NYPD History Lesson
By Nat Hentoff and Nick Hentoff, July 14, 2016

***
As many as 10,000 demonstrators blocked traffic in downtown Manhattan on Sept. 16, 1992. Reporters and innocent bystanders were violently assaulted by the mob as thousands of dollars in private property was destroyed in multiple acts of vandalism. The protesters stormed up the steps of City Hall, occupying the building. They then streamed onto the Brooklyn Bridge, where they blocked traffic in both directions, jumping on the cars of trapped, terrified motorists. Many of the protestors were carrying guns and openly drinking alcohol.

Yet the uniformed police present did little to stop them. Why? Because the rioters were nearly all white, off‐​duty NYPD officers. They were participating in a Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association demonstration against Mayor David Dinkins’ call for a Civilian Complaint Review Board and his creation earlier that year of the Mollen Commission, formed to investigate widespread allegations of misconduct within the NYPD.
***
Newsday reported on other instances of racial abuse. City Councilwoman Una Clarke, a petite black woman, was blocked from crossing Broadway “by a beer‐​drinking, off‐​duty police officer who said to his sidekick: ‘This n***** says she’s a member of the City Council.’ ”

Mary Pinkett, another black councilwoman, was trapped on the Brooklyn Bridge as her car was rocked back and forth by off‐​duty officers. The two elderly passengers in her car were terrified.

Much more at link, don't be put off by it being on the CATO Institute site.

jrthin

(4,835 posts)
3. Most NYC policemen come from Staten Island (also known as Mississippi on the
Sat Jun 13, 2020, 10:42 AM
Jun 2020

Hudson) or from Long Island which are Republican enclaves. Their outer borough status coming in to police NYC streets galls many of us because they bring (many of them) their white supremacy attitude. We're still trying to get over Stop and Frisk where they'd throw any black man and young kid up against the wall or wherever and search them. Think what it must feel like to be a black professional coming from work and being throw up against a wall and search because "you look suspicious."

 

NYCButterfinger

(755 posts)
10. Long Island is Trump Country
Sat Jun 13, 2020, 10:54 AM
Jun 2020

True. Residency requirements shouldn't happen in NYC. New York is a big family, but the white NYPD cops don't act like it. Nassau, Suffolk, Staten Island and so on is Trump country. Black and Latinos in NYC don't want to be cops, although they live in the area they patrol unlike their white colleagues.

jrthin

(4,835 posts)
14. I would not say that Black and Lationos don't want to
Sat Jun 13, 2020, 11:03 AM
Jun 2020

be cops. These white cops will arrest and put black/latino kids in jail for having a joint, i.e. They would not arrest a white kid for that same action. Consequently, many boys/girls of colors have a record. That can be an impediment to apply to the force. Many kids of color see how the cops operate, they don't trust the cops and therefore would not want to join an organization they don't trust. So to say that black and latino don't want to enter the force is really not that simple. There are impediments to them applying for the force.

lapucelle

(18,250 posts)
16. I grew up on Staten Island and lived there for 35 years.
Sat Jun 13, 2020, 11:08 AM
Jun 2020

I’ve never heard it referred to as “Mississippi on the Hudson”.

dlk

(11,552 posts)
4. The R stands for racist
Sat Jun 13, 2020, 10:43 AM
Jun 2020

The white supremacists vote political ideology over economics every time. It’s how they’re wired.

GreenEyedLefty

(2,073 posts)
5. I guess unions are a-okay as long as they suit the GOP's purposes
Sat Jun 13, 2020, 10:43 AM
Jun 2020

And yet other public sector unions are not so worthy of support. This glaring irony is not lost on me.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
6. Money.
Sat Jun 13, 2020, 10:44 AM
Jun 2020

And the authoritarianism that spreads from corporations, and the protections granted to them for being fascist.

JHB

(37,158 posts)
8. Because the Republicans have spent the last 60 years shaping themselves...
Sat Jun 13, 2020, 10:45 AM
Jun 2020

...into The Party of Authoritarianism, and the cops like that. Law and Order! Millions for police, not one cent for prevention!

Also, because the Democrats are no longer "their" party. The Democrats are the ones who occasionally try to rein them in, and is full of, y'know, those people.

 

HotTeaBag

(1,206 posts)
13. Most police officers vote Republican, whether they're from NYC
Sat Jun 13, 2020, 11:02 AM
Jun 2020

or Burlington Vermont - as do most active and retired military folks.



jmg257

(11,996 posts)
15. I believe THEY FEEL they get more support & respect from Republicans.
Sat Jun 13, 2020, 11:05 AM
Jun 2020

I know they LOVED Giuliani - and not just whites.

 

NYCButterfinger

(755 posts)
17. The sports teams shower them with praise as well
Sat Jun 13, 2020, 11:12 AM
Jun 2020

The Yankees especially. The Steinbrenner family has always been pro-police. But they don't live in the city. They live in Tampa

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
18. becasue the basic rules apply across white america where so many are racists in their hearts
Sat Jun 13, 2020, 12:13 PM
Jun 2020

Police jobs attract them.

gulliver

(13,180 posts)
20. Eliminate the Drug War and policing will attract fewer Republicans
Sat Jun 13, 2020, 12:53 PM
Jun 2020

The problem with the Republican Drug War is that it was specifically intended to target black people and benefit the Republican Party politically.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,848 posts)
21. Something else to keep in mind.
Sat Jun 13, 2020, 01:01 PM
Jun 2020

They see the worst in people every single day on the job. It's going to profoundly affect them.

In my opinion there are jobs that people should not be allowed to have for more than perhaps 10 years without being required to take a sabbatical. Or to be shifted to a very different set of duties. Police is one such.

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