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Truck Drivers Say They Won't Deliver To Cities with Defunded Police Departments

Truck Drivers Say They Won’t Deliver To Cities with Defunded Police Departments
https://cdllife.com/2020/truck-drivers-say-they-wont-deliver-to-cities-with-defunded-police-departments/

This is an interstate trucker trade publication that did a poll.

The headline is an exaggeration, but the article itself is straightforward.

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Truck driving is historically ranked as one of the most dangerous jobs in the country. In 2018, U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistic reported truck driving as the most deadly job in the country.

Truck drivers have spent the last year on the front line of a global pandemic and protests. Now many are fearful of what might happen if police departs disband or are defunded.

Truck drives have been voicing their concerns on the CDLLife App. After reading about their concerns, CDLLife posted a poll on the app.

We asked drivers on the app, “Would you pick up/deliver to cities with defunded or disbanded police departments? Why or why not?”

To date, 77% of drivers say they will refuse loads to cities with disbanded or defunded police departments.


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77% means there will still be deliveries, but it will get more expensive.

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Reply Truck Drivers Say They Won't Deliver To Cities with Defunded Police Departments (Original post)
Odoreida Jun 2020 OP
Eliot Rosewater Jun 2020 #1
HotTeaBag Jun 2020 #9
yardwork Jun 2020 #12
Eliot Rosewater Jun 2020 #48
Caliman73 Jun 2020 #29
totodeinhere Jun 2020 #35
A HERETIC I AM Jun 2020 #56
Caliman73 Jun 2020 #59
former9thward Jun 2020 #69
SlogginThroughIt Jun 2020 #80
Demsrule86 Jun 2020 #46
Hortensis Jun 2020 #54
Solomon Jun 2020 #83
dware Jun 2020 #33
Tipperary Jun 2020 #39
madville Jun 2020 #44
A HERETIC I AM Jun 2020 #58
madville Jun 2020 #60
A HERETIC I AM Jun 2020 #62
madville Jun 2020 #68
denbot Jun 2020 #66
dixiegrrrrl Jun 2020 #72
Igel Jun 2020 #78
The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2020 #2
ck4829 Jun 2020 #3
yardwork Jun 2020 #10
tenderfoot Jun 2020 #4
Brother Buzz Jun 2020 #15
tenderfoot Jun 2020 #18
2naSalit Jun 2020 #24
dware Jun 2020 #34
totodeinhere Jun 2020 #36
Tipperary Jun 2020 #41
tenderfoot Jun 2020 #42
Tipperary Jun 2020 #45
tenderfoot Jun 2020 #52
Igel Jun 2020 #79
meadowlander Jun 2020 #64
beachbumbob Jun 2020 #5
ck4829 Jun 2020 #8
beachbumbob Jun 2020 #11
aidbo Jun 2020 #14
misanthrope Jun 2020 #84
Aristus Jun 2020 #6
Tipperary Jun 2020 #43
ProfessorGAC Jun 2020 #61
Aristus Jun 2020 #63
ismnotwasm Jun 2020 #7
Blue_true Jun 2020 #75
qazplm135 Jun 2020 #13
Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2020 #16
ProfessorGAC Jun 2020 #17
panader0 Jun 2020 #30
ProfessorGAC Jun 2020 #37
randr Jun 2020 #19
safeinOhio Jun 2020 #20
Odoreida Jun 2020 #25
ck4829 Jun 2020 #31
Odoreida Jun 2020 #71
maxrandb Jun 2020 #21
Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2020 #27
Horse with no Name Jun 2020 #76
Voltaire2 Jun 2020 #22
Tom Rinaldo Jun 2020 #23
Odoreida Jun 2020 #26
Marrah_Goodman Jun 2020 #28
Happy Hoosier Jun 2020 #32
kcr Jun 2020 #38
Doremus Jun 2020 #40
Midnight Writer Jun 2020 #47
A HERETIC I AM Jun 2020 #49
The Magistrate Jun 2020 #51
A HERETIC I AM Jun 2020 #55
The Magistrate Jun 2020 #57
denbot Jun 2020 #67
roamer65 Jun 2020 #50
JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2020 #53
pecosbob Jun 2020 #65
Demovictory9 Jun 2020 #70
Iggo Jun 2020 #73
Blue_true Jun 2020 #74
KY_EnviroGuy Jun 2020 #77
LeftInTX Jun 2020 #81
LeftInTX Jun 2020 #82

Response to Odoreida (Original post)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 11:49 AM

1. Fire them instantly...many waiting to take their places. This is sad because I am

a huge supporter of truckers, they are why we exist, literally.

But this is FUCKING STUPID

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #1)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 12:07 PM

9. Fire them instantly?

 

Because they want themselves and their loads to be safe?

Should go over well.

And you support truckers?

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Response to HotTeaBag (Reply #9)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 12:09 PM

12. Does your handle reference the tea baggers?

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Response to yardwork (Reply #12)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 03:11 PM

48. There ya go

I had NOT thought of that!

Scary bunch, they are.

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Response to HotTeaBag (Reply #9)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 01:58 PM

29. No. Fire them because they lack critical thinking skills.

Defunded police does not mean No police. It means that the excessive funding to arm police is spent on community programs to decrease and eliminate crime at the source, by better educating, by more mental health services, by enhancing communities through jobs and community service programs, by housing the homeless, and providing money for basic necessities to ALL people in the community. When people are not desperate and not disconnected from their communities then the communities are safer, without the need for more police.

Truckers need to stop listening to Fox News and Rush Limbaugh.

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Response to Caliman73 (Reply #29)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 02:21 PM

35. I'm not sure if having critical thinking skills should be a requirement to hold a job as a trucker.

Firing someone from a job is a very serious matter. I would definitely look into this if I were their employer but I would at least allow them due process.

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Response to totodeinhere (Reply #35)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 04:44 PM

56. "I'm not sure if having critical thinking skills should be a requirement"

Trust me, it isn't. Trucking companies could not care less. As long as you're properly licensed, insurable, can read and write with some reliability and can find your way from A to B, you're good.

Being able to discern wheat from chaff is by no means a requirement.

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Response to totodeinhere (Reply #35)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 05:41 PM

59. I am neither for nor against firing anyone.

I was mainly a response to the poster questioning Elliot Rosewater's motives and trying to make it an issue about the police being the only thing that is keeping society safe.

Due process is important. Understanding the environment around us is also important so we do not make decisions based on false information.

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Response to Caliman73 (Reply #29)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 11:03 PM

69. You do not get to define what defund the police means.

You can give an opinion of what you mean, and that is fine, but many people, including many on this site, want no police. The CHAZ people in Seattle want no police, period. Many, many agree. Maybe you ignore their posts here.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #69)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 12:01 AM

80. Can you link to one of those posts?

 

Either a past present or future one? Thanks.

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Response to HotTeaBag (Reply #9)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 02:56 PM

46. They either do the job or not...regardless of their opinions, we can not allow brutal police

murders anymore period and end of story.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #46)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 04:34 PM

54. The idiots don't know what it is, so couldn't recognize even if it happened.

It isn't what they think it is, so it wouldn't happen and they couldn't come through.

They wouldn't make good if they knew what it was.

Not a problem.



Hi, Demsrule.

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Response to HotTeaBag (Reply #9)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 02:35 AM

83. Aw for fuck sakes. They'll drive their fucking trucks. If they won't

somebody else will. Simple as that.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #1)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 02:49 PM

39. Really?

 

You ever drive a truck?

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #1)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 02:53 PM

44. Large percentage of drivers own or lease their own equipment

The pick and choose the loads and lanes they want to run and book freight through brokers, so you can’t really fire owner operators. Someone will run the load though if it pays enough.

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Response to madville (Reply #44)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 04:59 PM

58. Wrong.

Large percentage of drivers own or lease their own equipment. The pick and choose the loads and lanes they want to run and book freight through brokers, so you can’t really fire owner operators . Someone will run the load though if it pays enough.


If by "large percentage" you mean more than about 9 %, you would be wrong. The overwhelming number of truck drivers in the United States and Canada do NOT own their own tractor, and owners of both truck AND trailer are rarer still. There's roughly 3.5 million truck drivers in the US, and 350,00 or so of them are Owner Operators.

Where did you get the notion that "you can't really fire owner operators" ? I assure you, they can absolutely be fired, and they can be blackballed in a sense via the DAC system.

On edit to add this page from the Owner Operators Independent Drivers Association for more info;

https://www.ooida.com/OOIDA%20Foundation/Tools/docs/Industry%20Facts.pdf

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #58)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 05:56 PM

60. LOL

I was speaking about OTR drivers (which this topic was clearly referencing) as they mention they would refuse to deliver to certain cities. You are talking about all CDL drivers across the board, apples and oranges and gonna skew the O/O numbers down. There are an estimated 1.8 million long haul drivers out of that 3.5 million so its actually closer to 20% which is a significant percentage.

Please tell me why an owner operator would "get fired" if they are not under a forced dispatch-type agreement for declining a load to a particular city, I'm all ears. Many owner ops with their own authority or leased under carriers pull the loads they want to, they aren't getting fired for boycotting a city because they choose what lanes they want to run anyway lol.

I don't consider forced dispatched fleece (lease) operators to be owner operators anyway so yes, if they refused a load their carrier could easily terminate their contract.

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Response to madville (Reply #60)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 06:49 PM

62. OMG!

Someone disagrees with me on the internets, so I must spend an hour searching for links to refute him!

Or not.

You tell me I am comparing apples and oranges and I can accuse you of splitting hairs.

Fine. You're right and I am wrong. This is the absolute LAST thing I want to waste anymore of my time on this evening, as in two hours I'll be driving one of these halfway down I-95 and back.



And BTW, that's one of my firms trucks, we are 99% company drivers (we have a small division of OO's who haul company trailers) , and I erased the company name, the trailer number, the tractor number and the visible portion of the license plate, because I don't want to get any shit from anyone.

Including you.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #62)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 10:55 PM

68. Thanks!

Knew you'd come around

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Response to madville (Reply #60)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 09:24 PM

66. OTR here, you're out of your lane.

Hi A Heretic I AM!

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 09:58 PM

72. There are a lot of independent truckers, remember.



I'm wondering how many truckers were thinking of Reginald Denny recently.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #72)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 11:55 PM

78. I'd think a number of people were looking at the guy

who made a mistake by driving on a close freeway and ran across (but not over) protestors and got beat up for it.

And whether his assailants, who were under no obligation to pound on him, were simply forgiven for their innate goodness or charged with assault for the completely optional pounding.

The media are silent on the point, as far as I can tell.

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Response to Odoreida (Original post)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 11:53 AM

2. No city is going to eliminate its police department.

This is RW propaganda (and also an indication that using the words "defund" and "disband" isn't a very good idea). The proposals involve reallocating some funds to programs for community support and reorganizing police departments so cops aren't assigned to do things they aren't trained to do, like deal with mentally ill people, or that don't involve serious crime.

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Response to Odoreida (Original post)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 11:54 AM

3. Here might be another reason why...

The FBI suspects that serial killers working as long-haul truckers are responsible for the slayings of hundreds of prostitutes, hitchhikers and stranded motorists whose bodies have been dumped near highways over the last three decades.

Federal authorities first made the connection about five years ago while helping police link a trucker to a string of unsolved killings along Interstate 40 in Oklahoma and several other states. After that, the FBI launched the Highway Serial Killings Initiative to track suspicious slayings and suspect truckers.

A computer database maintained by the FBI has grown to include information on more than 500 female crime victims, most of whom were killed and their bodies discarded at truck stops, motels and other locations along popular trucking routes crisscrossing the U.S.

The database also has information on scores of truckers who’ve been charged with killings or rapes committed near highways or who are suspects in such crimes, officials said. Authorities said they do not have statistics on whether driving trucks ranks high on the list of occupations of known serial killers.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2009-apr-05-me-serialkillers5-story.html


Something would replace a disbanded or defunded police department... maybe something that would actually be interested in these deaths and disappearances of these "unwanted people".

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Response to ck4829 (Reply #3)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 12:08 PM

10. Very interesting point.

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Response to Odoreida (Original post)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 11:57 AM

4. Why do I get the impression that truckers listen to nothing but right wing talk radio?

eom

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Response to tenderfoot (Reply #4)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 12:13 PM

15. Could be, the white wing fat cats all but owns the entire AM band

I've heard you can drive coast to coast, listening to Rush Limbaugh flavored trash almost seamlessly, 24/7.

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #15)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 12:25 PM

18. And some wonder why flyover country votes against their own best interests...

The dominance of right wing media in rural America is the number 1 reason for that.

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #15)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 01:00 PM

24. Many have Sirius/XM so

that isn't much of a factor since they can get it anywhere anyway.

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Response to tenderfoot (Reply #4)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 02:17 PM

34. This trucker doesn't. nt

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Response to tenderfoot (Reply #4)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 02:23 PM

36. No, I think that a lot of them listen to country and western music radio as well.

n/t

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Response to tenderfoot (Reply #4)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 02:50 PM

41. We have some truckers who post here fairly frequently.

 

Please keep that in mind as you toss stereotypes about.

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Response to Tipperary (Reply #41)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 02:51 PM

42. I'm well aware of that...

and have a feeling they don't support this.

Have a nice condescending day.

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Response to tenderfoot (Reply #42)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 02:54 PM

45. Oh, and you too.

 

Must be nice to know how others feel about posts made about their profession, posts made by people who never have driven a truck in their lives.

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Response to Tipperary (Reply #45)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 04:22 PM

52. Yes, my comment was such a broad brush...

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Response to tenderfoot (Reply #52)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 11:58 PM

79. Actually, you may not think it was

but it was.

"Why do I get the impression that truckers listen to nothing but right wing talk radio?"

Lots don't. And many are here.

To avoid having what you said taken for the obvious meaning, indicate "some truckers" or "many truckers."

Or the use the now jaded and possibly ironic "present company accepted."

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Response to tenderfoot (Reply #4)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 07:04 PM

64. Likely a union solidarity thing though as well.

Suspect the police unions have been on the horn to every other substantial sized union they can think of (teamsters, etc.) to try to get some backing for their position.

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Response to Odoreida (Original post)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 12:01 PM

5. defund is a terrible slogn and motto

 

we gottaa drop that ASAP

its all about real police reform, lose the LW rhetoric

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Response to beachbumbob (Reply #5)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 12:06 PM

8. The terrible motto didn't start with "defund"

It started with "bad apples".

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Response to ck4829 (Reply #8)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 12:09 PM

11. BUT the media is pushing the verbage and too many are using it

 

its terrible motto/slogan is senseless when the real problem is police actions

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Response to beachbumbob (Reply #5)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 12:12 PM

14. Respectfully: The people calling to defund the cops are not..

 

..going to change their minds because it might hurt the Democratic party’s chances in November.

They aren’t calling to defund the police as a slogan or a motto. They’re calling to defund the police because it is a corrupt racist institution that has been killing Black people and choking the life out of our humanity for decades (centuries really).

And the more that the Democratic Party pushes back against their demands the more out of touch and uncaring it will look to them.

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Response to aidbo (Reply #14)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 03:15 AM

84. Have fun watching Trump sworn in next January

It baffles me how many people don't appreciate the full extent to which politics are waged with carefully chosen language.

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Response to Odoreida (Original post)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 12:04 PM

6. You just go ahead and do that, truckheads.

There are probably hundreds of truckers willing to make those deliveries so they can feed their families.

You want to stay home and pout? Go right the fuck ahead...

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Response to Aristus (Reply #6)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 02:52 PM

43. "Truck heads?"

 

Really? You do know we have several liberal truckers who post here, right?

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Response to Tipperary (Reply #43)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 06:03 PM

61. True, But...

...the drivers here wouldn't be part of the 77% that post was talking to.

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Response to Tipperary (Reply #43)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 07:00 PM

63. Yes, I do. I love and admire them all.

They're not the ones I was addressing.

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Response to Odoreida (Original post)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 12:05 PM

7. Somebody needs to rework the term "defunded" like yesterday

Stupidest fucking term I’ve seen for an excellent concept that even the police could go for if it was presented properly

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 11:13 PM

75. Too late. It has stuck.

This is the issue that I have with people that are so focused on one thing that they are completely clueless about the consequences of their terminology.

The best course that we can do now is explain what "just" police reform looks like and what we expect to gain from it.

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Response to Odoreida (Original post)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 12:12 PM

13. Please

if they need the money and there's a route, they will do it.

That poll is just a chance at performance art.

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Response to Odoreida (Original post)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 12:15 PM

16. Speaking of truckers and cops...

There's a nearby truck-stop where it's pretty common for the truckers to pull out in front of traffic. I've had to slam on my brakes to avoid a collision, and I've seen other cars do the same.

The location of the truck stop is idiotic, and that's the main problem.

I figured they'd get in trouble if a cop saw them do it, but no! I finally saw a truck driver pull in front of a local cop like that a few days ago, and nothing happened!

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Response to Odoreida (Original post)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 12:23 PM

17. Yes They Will

It's an idle threat. Want a job, you drive where you need to drive.
This is beside the point that almost no city is really defunding the police.
But, if one does, truckers will go there.
This is BS.

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #17)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 02:02 PM

30. I'm no trucker, but I would think if you rejected a delivery, your company would fire you.

Agree about the idleness of the threat. It's easy to answer a survey like a tough guy.
It's hard to lose your job.

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Response to panader0 (Reply #30)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 02:37 PM

37. Absolutely!

My dad drove a truck. Teamster who delivered milk to supermarkets in Chicago's south suburbs.
He delivered milk the days after MLK was killed. There was no question about whether milk would get delivered that day.
Admittedly, every punk with a gun, wasn't a thing in 1968. But, still...
But, my dad wasn't a fake tough guy with a dozen axes to grind.

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Response to Odoreida (Original post)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 12:39 PM

19. I have been wondering where the truckers are on the BLM

It would have been easy for them to show solidarity in some fashion.
Anyone hear or see anything?

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Response to Odoreida (Original post)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 12:44 PM

20. AI driverless trucks don't care.

What, 5 to 10 years and there won’t be any human drivers. AI might even replace all traffic cops too.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #20)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 01:50 PM

25. Yeah that's the spirit.

 

Then it'll be OK to exterminate the working class for good.

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Response to Odoreida (Reply #25)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 02:07 PM

31. Class itself should be abolished

The social constructions of race and class have brought nothing but suffering to whoever is on the "lower ends" of those constructs to enrich the lives of those "higher up".

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Response to ck4829 (Reply #31)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 09:51 AM

71. Very nice, but you know it will not be n/t

 

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Response to Odoreida (Original post)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 12:44 PM

21. LOL-not a lot of money in delivering a pallet or 2 to Dumbfuckistan Murika

These guys would go broke within a week without Americas beautiful, Blue Cities.

It's way past time for Americas cities to start using their economic power and intellectual might.

If the city of New York just stopped buying lettuce for one day, half the fucking farms in the country would go broke.

I'm fucking sick of their rural ass war on America's Cities.

The handful of fat-fucks I've seen at pro Confederacy rallies couldn't even drag themselves up on Datsun B210 pickup bed, let alone getting in a semi trailer to unload it.

Fuck these racist assclowns.

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Response to maxrandb (Reply #21)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 01:56 PM

27. LOL!

Your post reminds me of myself, after I've accidentally heard a few minutes of truckers calling into a radio show named "Truckin' Bozo" late at night.

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Response to maxrandb (Reply #21)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 11:19 PM

76. Thank you. N/t

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Response to Odoreida (Original post)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 12:47 PM

22. Bullshit.

They will continue driving their routes.

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Response to Odoreida (Original post)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 12:47 PM

23. Meaningless "poll" that plays on fears of "lawlessness"

Since many respondents may equate "defunding police" with "abolishing policing" it lets fears run amuck. Most of those who sincerely express doubts about driving into a city that has "defunded Police" think that means no one will respond to a 911 call if someone attempts to rob them or Hijack their truck. Meanwhile none of them are refusing to drive into Camden.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Reply #23)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 01:51 PM

26. Call for defunding the police and the morons believe you really mean it? n/t

 

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Response to Odoreida (Original post)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 01:58 PM

28. they can be replaced

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Response to Odoreida (Original post)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 02:09 PM

32. Lol, no.

I’d be willing to bet that there would be almost no impact. No city is going to permanently disband their police force.

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Response to Odoreida (Original post)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 02:47 PM

38. Ridiculous right-wing fear mongering.

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Response to Odoreida (Original post)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 02:50 PM

40. Sensationalized article, short on facts, long on hyperbole nt

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Response to Odoreida (Original post)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 03:10 PM

47. Online polls are nonsense.

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Response to Odoreida (Original post)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 03:26 PM

49. As an OTR driver with better than 30 years behind the wheel, here's my take;

1) As you state, this is from a Trade Publication, which means it's audience/readership is by definition, slim.

2) As someone who has been a trucker as long as I have, and have talked to and listened to many hundreds of drivers all across this country, I can say without reservation, that the vast majority of truck drivers are morons. OK..let me rephrase; Most truckers are not highly educated (it doesn't take a post graduate degree to pass a CDL exam), not very well informed in general, have a skewed perspective of history, and most of them tend to be "conservative" in their thinking, not to mention many of the white guys certainly, have serious racist leanings (Ever notice how many Confederate flag stickers there are on trucks? Or at least, used to be? Finally trucking companies are beginning to realize that the message their trucks send is as important as the service they offer). They are also, on average, overwhelmingly Christian, not very well read, do not come from upwardly mobile families, haven't traveled overseas, and tend to have a very narrow worldview.

2a) This industry attracts nitwits, plain and simple, AND I AM A TRUCK DRIVER!! Is every single truck driver a moron? No, of course not. But I guarantee you that if you got into any kind of lengthy, intellectual conversation with an average American truck driver, it wouldn't take you long to realize who you were talking to.

3) As stated in a response above, a HUGE number of them do listen to Limbaugh, Levin, O'Reilly and Hannity on the radio, nonstop. The advent of satellite radio has done away with the need for constantly having to change radio stations every hundred miles or so, and there are several right wing or right leaning stations to choose from on Sirius. As such, their worldview is constantly reinforced.

4) Drivers who work for firms based outside the Northeast have been bitching about having to drive in New England for as long as I have been OTR, and for me that started 1987. Many, MANY companies will advertise in their recruiting literature "No New York" or "Bonus for N.E. Trips" or similar. So while this article does not mention New York City specifically, keep in mind that a large percentage of the nations truckers have a bad perspective of that region anyway.

5) Truckers tend to hate Law Enforcement as much, if not more, than anyone else. No one likes having to cross weigh stations and think inspections are a waste of time and an infringement on their ability to make money. Hell, one of the primary reasons for putting a CB in your truck back in the day was so you could find out where the cops were so you wouldn't get caught speeding!

These quotes from the article prove how contradictory and hypocritical this perspective is;
( Italicized comments are mine)
“…if something was to happen and you have to take matters into your own hands, and then you risk being prosecuted for protecting yourself.”

Seriously? How often have you had to "take matters into your own hands"? Do you have huge lettering on the side of your trailer that says "Please come and rob me!"?

“This is not an area you need to act fearless and think you you’d look like a fool for saying no…Imagine what kind of fool you look like for driving into a hot spot and putting your life in danger.”

"Hot spot?!? I swear some of these guys must think that the entire country is on fire and going to stay that way.

“I will not deliver to an area with a disbanded police department. My life matter and I do this for my family. We are already at the mercy of these towns and cities with laws and hate against us for parking, getting a meal or even using a restroom.”

This one takes the fucking cake, without a doubt! "I get hassled by the cops so I won't go where the cops have been disbanded!" What a fucking dipshit.

“Simple. We may not like it all the time, but laws and order is necessary.”

Except when the speed limit is lower than I want to drive, or the 4 wheeler in front of me is driving too slow, or when I am overweight and need to go around a scalehouse" Dumbass.

“Most places we go already can be dicy an about only time you see a cop is when lights is on behind you.”

"MOST places"? Seriously? What the ever loving fuck are you talking about? He's full of shit, he just answered that question in a way that helps the narrative.

“For my own safety and security of my customers’ loads, I have already informed my dispatcher that I will refuse all loads to cities that have defunded their police departments.”

Then you're a fucking moron, plain and simple and if I was your dispatcher, I would tell you to clean out your fucking truck.


Sure, if I was given a load that delivered on 16th Street NW in DC last week, it would have been a serious concern, but other than the very specific areas where large protests have been occuring, I have nothing to fear from people who are protesting for reforms I am in favor of!

In conclusion, I wouldn't put too much stock into this at all. The overwhelming majority of freight will continue to be delivered, and the only drivers that won't deliver to a town like Minneapolis or LA are the ones that their dispatchers already know are a pain in the ass to work with, anyway.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #49)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 03:56 PM

51. Thank You For The Informative Comment, Sir

I would add one other note, which is to inquire how many of these people can actually afford to refuse shipments? I suspect that whatever may be said in high dudgeon when given a chance to spout on-line, very few drivers are in a position to refuse to carry freight very often. Independents have expenses to make, and a reputation for reliability to maintain. Employees cannot have much choice but to go where and when they are told.

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #51)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 04:38 PM

55. "how many of these people can actually afford to refuse shipments?"

Not too many. In many firms, large and small, if you gain a reputation for being a pain, for refusing loads to a particular area, etc., The dispatcher can "Starve you out", meaning they will get you a trip across the country from where you live, and then for days and days afterwards, only give you short, crap loads that don't pay or even no loads for a couple days in a row, and make you sit in a truck stop somewhere, hundreds and hundreds of miles away from home without pay. They won't give you a load that takes you back to the house until they feel you have been punished enough.

Now, no trucking company in its right mind would admit that this is an actual practice, but I assure you, it is. It was even worse back before the days of cellphones where you HAD to stay near a payphone and call in every 4 or 6 hours. At least now with cellphones the drivers have a bit more freedom, but increasingly companies are equipping their units with GPS locators, so they can know where you are anyway, and tell you that you have to move to a specific spot because that's near where the loads are (or so they will say).

The vast majority of OTR drivers in this country are paid by the mile, so sitting still means no pay. Leaving a guy at the bottom of the call list for 2 days will certainly get the point across, trust me.

Oh...one more thing;

There is a system called a "DAC Report" which a company can access before hiring and make notations on when a driver leaves. If you leave a firm and they put a bad notation on your report (Refused loads, difficult to work with, etc) it can make getting hired by another firm VERY difficult.

Why truckers aren't calling for a similar system for cops is beyond me! I certainly do.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #55)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 04:45 PM

57. Such a System For Police, Sir, Sounds Like A Great Idea

My son is operations manager for an air freight company, which requires often employment of drivers to get things to and from the nearest airport (this can be a good distance at times, often effectively inter-city), so I have picked up a bit of scuttlebutt about the trade. He mostly deals with independents, and likes to maintain regulars he can count on.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #49)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 09:37 PM

67. Cool beans if they do, more loads for me!

I’ve taken advantage of the exemption rules ending Monday. It was like the good old pre EDL days..

My newish baby, the day I pick it on the lot.

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Response to Odoreida (Original post)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 03:26 PM

50. Then fire them and hire new ones.

With unemployment at 21 pct, a lot of people are looking for jobs.

We can also use railroads.

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Response to Odoreida (Original post)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 04:28 PM

53. Is anyone making deliveries into the Seattle autonomous sovereign protest zone?

I'm not sure I'd take my Big Brown Truck into there. (If I drove a Big Brown Truck)

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Response to Odoreida (Original post)

Sat Jun 13, 2020, 08:58 PM

65. Collectively truck drivers are important...individually they are not

This is a basic misunderstanding of one's value in the marketplace. If one were to attempt to tease out one thread that ties all of American history together it would be management versus labor and strike-breaking.

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Response to Odoreida (Original post)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 01:28 AM

70. There will always be law enforcement.

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Response to Odoreida (Original post)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 10:00 PM

73. I bet they will.

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Response to Odoreida (Original post)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 11:09 PM

74. Easy enough. Just ignore them and get supplies by rail and short-haul trucking. nt

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Response to Odoreida (Original post)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 11:24 PM

77. From Russia with love.

It's guaranteed they planted the seeds on social media and right-wing public media.

Expect many more seeds to be planted before November......

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Response to Odoreida (Original post)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 12:22 AM

82. Ain't gonna happen

no PD is getting "defunded".
It's just bad messaging and RW fantasy

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