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(182,788 posts)iemitsu
(3,888 posts)Tipperary
(6,930 posts)If not, the cadet will be easily identified.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)... how is the cadet identified? Just curious here.
tia
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Alex4Martinez
(2,193 posts)It's unnatural and highly unlikely, it is too perfectly flat and square.
It comes from this seller, easy to copy, crop, and paste.
https://teechip.com/fktrump?retailProductCode=341E17AD53A5B6-1777BCCB8081-GS0-TC2-BLK
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)As far as a cadet being identified, his insignia, rank, medals all displayed. Simple. But I believe those who say it was photoshopped. Unlikely, a cadet would jeopardize his career on graduation day, though I bet some do feel that way.
Butterflylady
(3,543 posts)Tipperary
(6,930 posts)COL Mustard
(5,897 posts)He wore a Che T-shirt under his uniform and had the message "Communism Will Win" in his hat. He's no longer in the Army.
SWBTATTReg
(22,114 posts)before too long!
Jim__
(14,075 posts)Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Grins
(7,217 posts)They give courses on it.
I TOOK courses on it as a 2LT.
What you think is yours, but you damn well better not say it. And for good reasons.
sarge43
(28,941 posts)UCMJ is taught, because, gee, as officers they have enforce it and sit on juries at courts martial.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)Alex4Martinez
(2,193 posts)There is absolutely no indication that it's on an undulating surface, it's too straight and flat, it's not on a fabric on an actual body.
Sorry to agree with the statement above.
GReedDiamond
(5,312 posts)Last edited Sat Jun 13, 2020, 04:22 PM - Edit history (1)
...for a living.
That image was badly Photoshopped.
AnotherMother4Peace
(4,243 posts)Tipperary
(6,930 posts)None of that this year.
sarge43
(28,941 posts)UCMJ, Article 88: Contempt for Public Officials.
The Commander in Chief is number one on the list of officials that an active duty officer does not speak ill of, in any way.
Dismissal for cause is the equivalent of an Other Than Honorable Discharge for enlisted. After four years in the Academy Warring Blender, he can't be that stupid. On the other, if he is that stupid, best he be shown the door.
BComplex
(8,049 posts)graduates who don't go into the army?
sarge43
(28,941 posts)A select few can be selected for other branches. For example, a few of the Annapolis grads will go into the Marine Corps.
The Academies (West Point, Annapolis and Colorado Springs) are accredited universities and they're free. The graduates pay back the taxpayers with committing to five years of active duty service as commissioned officers.
BComplex
(8,049 posts)join/commit to active duty before they graduate?
What I'm asking is:
If this wasn't photoshopped, and this was a real graduate sporting a fuck trump t-shirt, and showing it at graduation (which I realize it probably isn't the case in reality), would that graduate be breaking any military laws? Does graduating from West Point mean that they ARE military right then?
sarge43
(28,941 posts)Yes, graduating and they're Uncle's.
I'm sure before they marched out for the bells and whistle drill they all signed a butt load of paper committing themselves. That's the way enlisted do it. Ink the contract then take the oath.
I'm prepared to sit corrected about this, but if they weren't commissioned at that point, I can guarantee cadet had a pound of ground round taken off his hindquarters by Them What Be In Charge for publicly embarrassing the Point and serious discussion about the iffness of that commission.
mahina
(17,649 posts)About Presidents Clinton and Obama?
So many times.
sarge43
(28,941 posts)Were they active duty, officers, what exactly did they say, what happened to them? Some might have had the Book dropped on them. Contempt can be defined in many ways. I'd say "Fuck Yourself" would pass the test. "I don't like his policies.", not so much.
mahina
(17,649 posts)And mine, when we were delayed by Oresident Clintons plane in the tarmac, he said he hoped the Presidents plane would blow up. He looked at those of us around him, civilians, for approval with a smile and he got back shock and sorrow followed by anger.
I made my thoughts clear to him in as few words as possible. He was a 2nd Lt Id I recall correctly. His wife was very uncomfortable. His kids werent really catching.
So many since.
I live near a Marine Corps air station that was borrowed during WWII and never returned. There were many families living there for countless generations. It is also a sacred place.
sarge43
(28,941 posts)Thank you for speaking up.
There aren't too many like him, but one is too many. They demean the trust that's been given to them.
mahina
(17,649 posts)NO.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,653 posts)It is such an obvious fake.
marlakay
(11,457 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)keithbvadu2
(36,788 posts)Ah, well! It's a good sentiment anyway.
Maybe it said something even worse.
Like - Go Navy!
AllaN01Bear
(18,191 posts)alfredo
(60,071 posts)sarge43
(28,941 posts)I didnt want to see trump hurting or killing our best just to bolster his ego.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)and my grandmother had known that if her son, a very smart math student, were to get a college education it would have to be free. She wrote a letter to her congressman and got him into West Point. My uncle graduated just in time for WWII
Uncle David became an outspoken liberal after the war and moved from Texas to Colorado. As a kid I remember his strong support for Adlai Stevenson. He also had a pretty vivid of serving in Iraq (then Persia).
sarge43
(28,941 posts)He's in good company. Eisenhower was up front about going to the Point - free college degree.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)I remember as a kid hearing him talk about how dismal Persia was. It was Persia in those days, right? I had no idea WWII was even fought in a place called Persia. None of the war movies of those days seemed to mention it and I wondered why?
sarge43
(28,941 posts)"....I wondered why?"
It isn't a shining moment. We were there to occupy the oil fields and to intimate the Middle East. Don't get into bed with the Axis.
Hard to craft an heroic narrative from "business as usual".
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)he clearly didn't like duty there due to the awful conditions under which people lived.
sarge43
(28,941 posts)Hubby tells a story about his time in South Korea in the early 60's
He was in munition maintenance. Over time the scrap pile bunkers would fill up with obsolete and defective Go-bangs. The quick and easy way to get rid of them was blow 'em up. So hi ho, truck 'em down to the beach right in front of the cliff or ridge, set the detonators, get far far away and blow 'em. Almost forgot, guards had to be posted up and down the beach because the local kids would come swarming in to boost the wood (pallets and crates) and the metal. No they weren't inclined to follow EOD protocols.
Hub has said he was sorry for them, but there wasn't much to be done and he was happy as hell to leave and get back home.
Your uncle's feelings weren't unique.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)3 buttons per row, left, center, right. Had a high collar, brass button on side.
sarge43
(28,941 posts)I imagine he looked shockingly young. They usually do.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)How does one get a medal while still in school?
sarge43
(28,941 posts)I noticed that the current Point grads had the National Defense Service Medal. That's passed out during any 'war' period. That started during Korea, then Vietnam, now since 9/11. Kinda thanks for playing. That's about all I say about academy personnel minutia. Active duty Air Force nitpicking was bad enough.
Not a good idea getting me started on the current habit of cranking out bling, like getting a ribbon for graduating basic training. Well of course, wouldn't be here if you didn't. I'm waiting for here's a ribbon for showing up for work for more than two days running. Oh wait, that's the Good Conduct Medal.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)wearing, he was entitled to it. And this was an official photo.
Do you know what a good conduct medal prior to WWII might have meant? Just staying out of trouble? Sure doesn't sound like him, the way I knew him...
sarge43
(28,941 posts)Only enlisted get them. Officers were/are expected to conduct good; enlisted not so much - honest. It annoys me because good conduct is the norm, expected and required. Why should the working class be awarded for doing what we're suppose to do. More than that and above that, now we're talking. That should score a pat on the poo-poo.
Hub and I called the "You didn't get caught, Slick" award. There's one thousand and one ways to get a first edition arse sling or at least get your leg chewed on. Such as shoe polish on shoe laces or a couple of mustache hairs touching the vermilion (Yours truly and her one true love hold up hands). So as I told my recruits, pick the regs no one cares about and you too can have a pretty blue ribbon every three years to impress the civilians. Truth be told, at least in Uncle's Balloon Corps you had to screw up fairly spectacularly to lose the time for a GCM, a serious Article 15 hit or worse a court martial.
Please pardon the ole sarge rambling on.
I would like to see that picture. It's a piece of history.
Don't quote me, but the Academies no doubt have medals just for the outstanding cadets and midshipmen. If so, your uncle did well in the Waring Blender.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)RW crap I was seeing and hating in my society. Brown v. Board was decided my senior year of high school, so I went to legally segregated schools til I graduated. I went off east to school and never came back. My uncle David hated segregation, hated racism and moved away to Colorado.
I was sorry I never got to know him better.
sarge43
(28,941 posts)Yeah, he saw much too much racism and segregation during his time in service. It really didn't going away --much--until the 70's.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Whether its photoshopped or not.
Maeve
(42,282 posts)Butterflylady
(3,543 posts)Thing I have seen today!
42bambi
(1,753 posts)blaze
(6,360 posts)COL Mustard
(5,897 posts)Roy Rolling
(6,917 posts)The image was originally Che Guevara
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Gah.
warmfeet
(3,321 posts)trof
(54,256 posts)And not some photo shopped fantasy.
pecosbob
(7,538 posts)BobTheSubgenius
(11,563 posts)Even if not, it's still a message worth seeing and repeating.