Is tRump getting fatter and fatter?

[stopbush]

Recent pix of him are even more unflattering than normal.

[mucifer]

1. why does that matter. Jimmy Carter lost his smile. Barack Obama got grey

I don't care if trump gets fat or grey or loses his smile.

[stopbush]

3. Who said it mattered? I just asked a question.

[dawg day]

11. Plus his recent medical exam

Posited that his weight was hardly changed... and again it was a lie.

[kskiska]

29. He was supposed to lose weight

not remain the same.

[hatrack]

6. It matters because POTUS is obligated to maintain some sort of health routine . . .

They don't have to be three-hour marathon qualifiers, or Tour de France veterans, but they have to stay in some sort of reasonable age-appropriate shape to maintain whatever mental acuity and physical stamina they possess.

FDR swam, Ike golfed, Shrub biked, Barack played basketball, hell even Reagan chopped wood and rode horses. What does Orange Julius Caesar do? Other than swat a golf ball (and then get back in the cart), he periodically extends his forearm to pull the KFC bucket a little bit closer.

It is our business, and it matters.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

10. Obligated to maintain some sort of health routine?

Huh. I never knew that.

[JackintheGreen]

13. No, he's not

Our business, the nation’s business, is whether he can do his job. He can’t. He’s never been able to. He was always uniquely unqualified for the position he now holds. But that disqualification has nothing to do with his weight. His overall health may correlate to his weight, but he’s already president and not about to be 25th-ed, if that’s your hope. The constant, gleeful comments about his weight on DU are gross. Hate the man because he’s hateful, not because he’s overweight, like two-thirds of America.

[Ms. Toad]

20. +1000 n/t

[WhiskeyGrinder]

16. Weight is not a reliable indicator of health.

[Ms. Toad]

26. +1000

[Drunken Irishman]

19. Gray hair & a lost smile are not medical issues. Obesity is a severe medical issue...

Is he even capable of leading the nation for four more years at this rate? He's a walking stroke or heart attack with his current weight.

[Ms. Toad]

21. While obesity is corellated with a number of severe medical issues

The link is not inherent, nor is it weight inherently linked to strokes or heart attacks.

I have diabetes (also a strong correlation to heart attacks), and a BMI of 29.7 - compared to Trump's roughly 31, and over 60 (a strong correlation to heart attacks). My risk of a heart attack over the next decade - based on several reputable risk calculators ranges from 1% to 6.3%. Only one of the risk calculators even uses weight as a factor in risk determination.

So - no, his weight (alone) does not make him a walking stroke or heart attack. It is a lot more complex than that - but you are in "good company" because far too many doctors unfortunately see only weight - and miss the real health issue that needs to be addressed (lung cancer - it's hard to breath because you are so fat), kidney infections (your back pain is because you are so fat), colon cancer (your constipation is because you are too fat).

There are some things that are relatively inextricably linked with weight - joint pain, for example. But heart attacks and strokes are not.

We need to stop using weight as a surrogate for being unhealthy.

[Drunken Irishman]

24. Trump lies about his weight. He's morbidly obese.

He is at a very high medical risk because of his severe obesity. Your BMI puts you at overweight. Trump is not just overweight. In fact, his BMI puts him at obese - but I think he lies about his weight. Trump is at least 300 lbs - or at least pushing it.

Add his age, and the stress of the job, and his apparent medical decline and I think he's the most unfit candidate we've probably had seek reelection since FDR ran for his fourth term.

And we know how that went.

[Ms. Toad]

25. Nancy Pelosi was wrong. He is not morbidly obese.

He is obese, but the distinction between obese and overweight is a tenth of a pound. I was obese last week. I gave you the actual BMIs so you could see how close they are. All except one of the 10-year risk of heart attacks calculators used the most recent cholesterol numbers I have - from 6 months ago when my BMI was 34 (higher than Trump's)**. My 10-year risk on the only calculator that even uses weight as a factor was .1% higher when my BMI labeled me obese, rather than overweight

Officially, he is barely obese. Even taking your weight estimate - and whacking off 3" from his purported height - his BMI is barely over 40 (the lower threshold for severely obese). He likely weighs between your estimate and his official medical report and he is likely between 6'0" and 6'3, which would put him in the mid-range for obesity.

He may well be medically unfit. I certainly think he is mentally unfit - he has very little executive reasoning ability (an essential tool for serving as the leader of any complex organization).

But my point is -judge him on his health issues; don't just assume that because he is obese that he is a walking stroke or heart attack. I'm not - thanks to good genetics that keep my HDL high and my triglycerides low regardless of what I eat. When my BMI was the same, or higher, than Trump's, my risk of a heart attack is 5.8% over 10 years on the only calculator I have found that even takes weight into account.

** I have changed eating habits recently due to diabetes (not weight). When my blood glucose is over 140 I can't stay awake and canfocus; when it is below 140 I am alert and function well. Restricting carbs keeps my blood glucose in the range at which I function best - even when I am obese. That said, restricting carbs typically also results in eating fewer calories - and weight loss. I also feel better when there is less weight on my feet and joints, so I'm not sad to be shedding weight. But the weight, in and of itself, is not inherently a predictor of heart attack or stroke.

[Drunken Irishman]

30. Trump is a morbidly obese man who lies about his weight.

[Ms. Toad]

43. He's not.

Apparently you have never seen morbidly obese people.

But even if you are correct, you are still missing the point. Obese is not inherently unhealthy - and specifically - obesity is not inherently linked to strokes and heart attacks. Most CVD risk calculators do not even include weight as a factor.

[Ms. Toad]

44. He's not.

Apparently you have never seen morbidly obese people.

https://www.hubtransformed.com/obesity-and-weight-loss

Morbidly obese is not a formal designation, but informally it is a BMI >40 (the far right image). Calling him morbidly obese does not make him so.

Trump is, at worst, the second from the right in the linked image - possibly the third from the right.

But even if you are correct (and he is the far right figure), you are still missing the point. Obese is not inherently unhealthy - and specifically - obesity is not inherently linked to strokes and heart attacks. Most CVD risk calculators do not even include weight as a factor.

[Drunken Irishman]

45. Trump lies about his weight. He's morbidly obese.

He also lies about his height. He claims to be the same size as Obama. Not true. He's probably 6 foot even.

At 6 foot and 300 lbs, his BMI would be 40.7.

Morbidly obese.

[Ms. Toad]

46. Again, missing the point.

weight is not inherently linked to health (generally) and risk of CVD, specifically. If it were, why is it absent in most of the calculators - and why, in the one where it is include is there an inverse relationship between weight and risk (at least at the margin between overweight and obese)?

As to whether he is morbidly obese - find a profile of Trump. He is not even close to the person at the far right (with a BMI of 40+). If you don't like that image, do your own search. I didn't cherry pick - he's just nowhere near the profile view for mobidly obese.

https://vitamindwiki.com/tiki-download_wiki_attachment.php?attId=5213

[Drunken Irishman]

47. Weight is linked to just about everything.

Someone who is morbidly obese is going to have problems. Especially at his age.

But there absolutely is a link:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3250069/#:~:text=A%2010%20kg%20higher%20body,24%25%20increased%20risk%20for%20stroke.&text=Our%20study%20found%20a%20strong,all%20states%20using%20regression%20analysis.

Bottom line: He is a very unwell man. Some of that is due to his morbid obesity - some due to other factors.

End of story. Have a nice day.

[Ms. Toad]

48. correlation is not causation. n/t

[Drunken Irishman]

49. lmao

And smoking sometimes doesn't lead to cancer.

Let's all smoke and get really, really fat since, clearly, being 300+ lbs is not, in any way, bad for the human body.

[Ms. Toad]

50. Do some research. Educate yourself. n/t

[Drunken Irishman]

51. No need to educate myself.

Being obese, especially morbidly obese, is not healthy. In the least.

[Ms. Toad]

55. Again, he's not morbidly obese

and only one of the risk calculators for coronary disease (the specific diseases you mentioned) even includes weight as a factor - AND in that instance (at least with the rest of my numbers plugged in) it was a negative correlation - the more I weigh - the less at risk I am.

These calculators are provided by the Cleveland Clinic, the Mayo Clinic, the American College of Cardiology, the American Heart Association Task Force (to name a few). But I guess they don't know what they are talking about - since only the Mayo clinic even asks for weight.

[Drunken Irishman]

58. He's morbidly obese.

Your own scale showed it. You said anything greater than 40 BMI. His BMI is likely 40.7.

[Ms. Toad]

60. To get there you have inflated his weight by 55 lbs

and shrunk him by 3". You have no basis for doing so other than a desire to label him morbidly obese.

There is no factual basis for suggesting his weight is 300 lbs. His height is a closer call. His former driver's license says he is 6'1" Comparison to others uggests he may be shorter. But if you compare his profile to other 6' people who weigh 300 lbs you lose all credibility. I do think he is lying about his height - perhaps even about weight. But not by that much based on comparing his profile to those of people with a BMI of 40.

[Drunken Irishman]

61. I have just as much basis to say he's morbidly obese than you do that he isn't.

Since we both admit he's lying about his weight/height, all either of us can do is speculate.

To compare, here's a 6'0, 300 lbs man:



Doesn't look that much bigger, or any bigger, than Donald Trump.

You can see other similar pics here:

https://myprogresspics.com/what-does-a-300-lbs-6-foot-0-male-look-like?page=1

Anyway, this discussion is over. Trump is unhealthy, fat and not fit to lead this country. Though I will concede the fatness is the least of our worries.

[trueblue2007]

34. TRUMP IS A FAT TUB OF LARD.... HE MUST WEIGH 300 POUNDS

[smirkymonkey]

36. Ugh!

He is repulsive. I wouldn't mention his weight and his unattractiveness so much if he didn't so cruelly make fun of other people for their physical flaws. But he does, so he opens himself up to being judged harshly for the very things that he condemns others for.

[Buns_of_Fire]

33. Normally, you're right: it's not that big a deal.

I would expect a person to tack on a few pounds here and there. The job itself turns your hair gray. And after a couple months in office, I probably wouldn't feel much like smiling, either.

But when someone makes it a point to body-shame, and belittle, and disparage everyone who doesn't kiss their swollen ass, all bets are off as far as I'm concerned.

[Happy Hoosier]

40. Okay... a hypoyhetical....

You logic is weak. It is not okay to use racial slurs against a racist, for example.

[Cha]

56. I agree.. we're only talking about the Hell Monster. He can

be called out on his Shit.. remember when he mocked the disabled reporter?

Link to tweet

And, who's BLOTUS calling "sleepy"?

Link to tweet

[Aristus]

42. Jimmy Carter never lost his smile.

Watch any interview with him; sooner or later, that wonderful, wonderful big warm grin of his will surface.

I was a school kid when he was President. We used to mock that grin all the time. I was too dumb to know that that was the smile of someone who is happy, serene, content, and completely comfortable with himself.

[mucifer]

52. I vividly remember the smiles from before he was President disappear probably with the

weight of his job. Yes, it came back eventually. I truly believe he was troubled by not being able to make the changes he wanted.

[sarcasmo]

53. Trump's health matters and his girth is a health matter.

The right went crazy over Hillary's cough.

[JI7]

62. It matters because he claims to be the healthiest person to have ever lived

and he attacks other people on their appearance including weight . Especially women.

[TreasonousBastard]

2. I suspect his body is quitting under the pressure and he is simply giving in to bloatation.

[hatrack]

4. As you note, it's not a "body" - it's a "Personal Bloatation Device"

[empedocles]

12. Well done

[sprinkleeninow]

14. 😄

[Cousin Dupree]

5. Yes, and his Dollar Tree suits are fitting worse than ever.

[Demovictory9]

65. those are $8K suits, handmade for him. He's too vain to have them fitted properly and made with

less shiny material. He *thinks* the too baggy legs and big suit top make him look thinner. a tailoring expert wrote about this.

Just like he's obviously not listening to anyone about the application of makeup, he doesn't let the the tailors fit him properly.

[tulipsandroses]

7. Yes. They have probably put those mirrors that are in clothing stores in the White House

They make you look thinner than you are.

[jalan48]

8. He's going to blow up and float away like Aunt Marge in the Harry Potter book. It will be a perfect,

a beautiful thing.

[BamaRefugee]

9. It's the ultra fashionable "layering" look. A bulletproof vest on top of another bulletproof vest.

They doubles as girdles, it's a win/win and oh so provocative to the orange-curious gunhumpers out there.

[sprinkleeninow]

15. Plus his nappies...

[safeinOhio]

17. "Sleepy Joe" needs to

challenge him to a one mile race.

[BamaRefugee]

18. I don't have 2 hours to spare watching trump getting to the finish line

[Skittles]

28. why does he call him sleepy

I am no big Biden fan but he never seems sleepy to me.

[Gothmog]

22. Is the President of the United States physically well?

Link to tweet

[JonAndKatePlusABird]

63. That tweet thread is hilarious

My favorite so far:

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

64. I like this version

Link to tweet

[smirkymonkey]

23. Can't really tell.

He's definitely obese. However he is getting uglier. And meaner. And dumber.

[Skittles]

27. not a big fan of picking on weight

he has sooooo many other things we can focus on

[USALiberal]

32. +1000! nt

[stopbush]

37. I'm overweight myself, statistically obese if just over the cusp.

I’m not picking on his weight.

If he was slurring his words more and more that would be worth nothing. If he was puking during speeches, that would be worth noting. If he lost 80 pounds, that would be worth noting.

[Happy Hoosier]

39. With all due respect...

... you mention his pictures becoming more “unflattering.” That’s a remark upon personal appearance, not health.

I’ve become quite used to body shaming here, and being told I am being unreasonable to ask for it to stop.

[USALiberal]

54. Pure BS, you said weight, not talking. Nt

[USALiberal]

31. why does his weight matter? Silly! nt

[stopbush]

38. Would it be wrong to comment if he went on a diet and lost 80 pounds?

[sakabatou]

35. Stress

[sarcasmo]

41. 344 pounds

[la-trucker]

57. Eating all those burgers and two scoops of ice cream

can't possibly good - coupled with no exercise to burn it.

[SoonerPride]

59. Let's put it this way: he is getting increasingly unhealthy

His faculties appear damaged.
His physical body function is diminished.
He is gaining weight which puts additional health stresses on an already sick man.

#trumpisnotwell

The additional weight in and of itself isn’t that alarming but in conjunction with his other problems can only hasten his decline and demise.

This isn’t about fat shaming or making jokes.

He is unwell and not fit for office. Mentally or physically.