What is the point of destroying the Wendy's?

[Music Man]

Wendy's didn't kill Rayshard Brooks. Wendy's didn't fire tear gas or brutalize protesters.

This only hurts a bunch of minimum wage workers, not to mention sympathy for the cause. The perpetrators may be a small, unrepresentative group of protesters, but it's a sad, unfortunate circumstance, nevertheless.

[soothsayer]

1. It's just anger I imagine

Frustration.

It’s sad for sure, all the way around.

[Skittles]

2. arson is a CRIME

arsonists are CRIMINALS

[soothsayer]

3. Sure

[Skittles]

6. the people justifying arson

would not be so cavalier it it was THEIR house or workplace being set on fire

setting fires endangers people / firefighters, it is sickening

[soothsayer]

14. I'm not sure I've seen anyone justifying it

[Skittles]

24. keep reading in this thread

they donated to the Trump campaign so apparently that makes them FAIR GAME (WTF)

[PunkinPi]

89. Not all business/property owners...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213501678

[Tipperary]

73. +1000.

[Owl]

84. Arson is indeed a crime.

[jmg257]

86. And one that, in some states, justifies the use of deadly force to prevent.

[Raine]

4. Evidence might destroyed

too along with the loss of jobs etc.

[UncleTomsEvilBrother]

5. I'll check...

...but I'm guessing there isn't a thread questioning why another Black body is murdered before all this happened.

Also, this is not directly aimed at you, but faux sympathy for minimum wage workers and a threat to withdraw sympathy is condescending.

Black citizens are being murdered and you mourn capital and suggests it hurts sympathy for the cause. This is saddening.

[Skittles]

7. so would it be OK if angry folk set fire to your house or work place

I am betting not

[UncleTomsEvilBrother]

17. If those angry people...

...saw me as a part of the problem of 400 years of captivity and brutality, I would be convinced.

Then again, Wendy's is not my home, and it's not yours either. Franchisees donate to the Trump campaign, yet you would rather deflect from the civil rights issue at hand and focus on the burning restaurant.

[Skittles]

20. arson endangers the lives of fire fighters

IT IS WRONG *END OF STORY*

[uponit7771]

67. So is shooting unarmed Americans in the fucking back !! Insurance can bring back the business !!!

[whistler162]

76. Great now X number of low paid workers

have to TRY and get unemployment from the Georgia unemployment system!

[uponit7771]

95. Yeah, that's waaaaaaay worse than a murdered human. 🙄🙄🙄

[StarfishSaver]

79. Notice how these posts bring out the same people every time

Yet those same people never speak out against police violence and racism without adding "BUT the arson..."

[uponit7771]

94. +1, ... second time for me ... Same people

[RhodeIslandOne]

51. My guess is that if it ACTUALLY happened to you....

....you'd protest the idea of taking it out on you.

But that's the ivory tower of hypothetical, isn't it?

[bermudat]

9. Agree

[Music Man]

11. I think that's a strawman argument.

I'm not "mourning capital." I fear backlash to a cause I care about (i.e., black citizens being murdered).

[UncleTomsEvilBrother]

37. Again...

...what kind of backlash do you fear?

[StarfishSaver]

43. And from whom?

[StarfishSaver]

80. If you really fear a "backlash," why not go talk to some of the white people you are so sure

would try to punish large groups of black people because of the behavior of a tiny few and explain to them why that is wrong and why they should not do that?

That would be much more helpful than simply complaining that some black people are protesting all wrong.

[stillcool]

22. it is sad, but not surprising..

[Sugarcoated]

8. If this shit keeps happening

it can get crooked Donnie reelected.

[Skittles]

12. it would help if arrests didn't end with dead people, too

ya know?

[Sugarcoated]

15. Of course that's true

but so is what I said in my post.

[Awsi Dooger]

65. Rightwingers are emboldened all over the internet

I've seen it on one site after another tonight. They love fear-based symbols. They think the looting and especially specifics like a destroyed Wendy's really works in their favor.

I don't know how to weigh this stuff. The guarantee is a very close election. The second guarantee is that with Trump there will be at least 2-3 more firestorms before November. It is too early to tell if this Black Lives Matter stuff will even be in the top 5 at that point.

Everyone loves recency and can't see beyond

[UncleTomsEvilBrother]

21. Well...

...I'm interested in the "shit keeps happening" part. Are you referring to the murdering of the Black people or the response to the murder. One is seeming to cause the other, right?

[Sugarcoated]

32. No, referring to the looting and destruction of property.

I'm not comparing them I'm saying if the looting and destruction of property keeps happening it can get Trump elected.

[Hoyt]

10. When something like this happens, can't really expect rational behavior.

Heck, I’ve seen worse just because a professional sports team won a championship.

[Skittles]

13. actually, there is "rational behavior" in many communities

yup

[stillcool]

18. Sympathy? They're not looking for sympathy...

they want cops to stop killing. Very fortunate I have not experienced such hopelessness and rage, for all of my life, but I do know anger that has nowhere to go. To shoot someone in the back, now, with all that has gone on. What do you expect? Why not Wendy's?

[UncleTomsEvilBrother]

27. Please...

...I just checked the freep site, and the same argument is being made - arson. Nothing is being said about the cycle of Black death that caused this. Racism mixed with capitalism causes this kind of response.

[stillcool]

41. Hard to see any good...

I got to stay away from here. It's too effing ugly.

[StarfishSaver]

97. Don't you know?

Black people have to behave ourselves if we want white people to "give" us our God-given rights.

If we don't act right, they'll continue to withhold our rights because they are theirs to give or not give.

Got it?

[JI7]

19. Do you know who burned it down ?

[Takket]

33. good question.......

after all the KKK/drumpf supporters in masks that have been caught smashing windows and setting fires at peaceful protests, i was wondering if anyone was going to ask this question.......

[PunkinPi]

83. Well, here's a partial video from the scene...

there are still photos on the thread too.

Link to tweet

[BamaRefugee]

23. What was the point of killing Rayshard Brooks? Senseless violence breeds more of the same.

But Wendy’s will be fully insured and quite possibly reappear in that exact spot.
Mr. Brooks will never appear on this earth again.

[NRaleighLiberal]

25. THIS

[Skittles]

26. so if someone burns down your workplace

that would be OK?

[BamaRefugee]

28. That's as senseless as the senseless violence I mentioned.

[Skittles]

29. damn straight

[UncleTomsEvilBrother]

35. If there were...

...terrorists surrounding you killing you based on your race, that would be OK?

[Music Man]

31. There was no point to killing Rayshard Brooks.

Never contended that point. It's a false dichotomy.

[BamaRefugee]

36. And the same "no point" applies to the fully insured commercial structure.

It’s not a dichotomy.

[cayugafalls]

30. All buildings matter?

Sure they shouldn't have burned it down, but this is just the beginning and people are tired of black people dying.

White people been burning down black people properties for centuries.

Karma is something ain't it?

[live love laugh]

39. Well said. nt

[MichMan]

58. So every white person deserves to have their homes burned down?

because of karma?

[cayugafalls]

59. I said that? Really?

I said nothing of the sort.

I simply pointed out that they have been burning out the black people for centuries and people are f'ing angry as shit.

I even said it was wrong.

Do you dispute the fact that White People have been burning the black man's homes and businesses for centuries? Sure it has been a while since it has happened en masse, but Juneteenth is right around the corner and you know what that anniversary is all about, right?

[Skittles]

72. arson is wrong NO MATTER WHO IS DOING IT

how hard is that to acknowledge?

[uponit7771]

69. You're reaching

[uponit7771]

68. 👆👆👆THIS!!!👆👆👆

[Johnny2X2X]

34. Ask the person who set it on fire

They didn’t start a fire, someone did, one person. Or maybe a couple.

[live love laugh]

38. THIS Because the implication here is "they" set it on fire. "They" being blacks, all blacks.

Most blacks are at home peacefully observing this like everybody else. The same with black crime. “They” (ALL) kill one another.

I call bullshit.

[yardwork]

46. +1000

[yardwork]

45. Exactly.

[Skittles]

47. so it is justified and blamed on others

ARSON IS WRONG NO MATTER WHO IS DOING IT

[jmg257]

81. You are not wrong. Arson should be/is taken VERY seriously. NY Penal law...

Such person may use any degree of physical force, other than deadly
physical force, which he or she reasonably believes to be necessary for
such purpose, and may use deadly physical force if he or she reasonably
believes such to be necessary to prevent or terminate the commission or
attempted commission of arson.

[SoonerPride]

40. Rage. Rage is the result of this continuing.

It isn’t rational so stop trying to superimpose your rationality to it.

If someone killed your spouse you would have grief and rage. You may do something irrational in response.

People are sick of this shit.

Understand that and you will understand why this business was set ablaze.

[Music Man]

44. Well put.

One of the most cogent takes I've read.

[NoMoreRepugs]

48. True that. Excellent take.

[Skittles]

49. believe it or not

you can support BLM while not excusing arson.......plenty of communities get it right

[SoonerPride]

61. I am not "excusing arson"

I’m explaining why it happened.

Those are very different things.

But you can be intentionally daft all you want.

[Skittles]

62. so you would understand if a righteously angry person burned down your house or workplace

riiiiiiiiight

[SoonerPride]

74. I guess you haven't heard the term crime of passion ?

It’s still a CRIME
but a person overcome with rage, grief, despair has their emotions short circuit their rational mind and the result can be a murder or arson or some other CRIME.

that is why this happened.

It is still a crime. And if they find out who started the fire they should be prosecuted.

I am telling you WHY it happened.

Rage.

[uponit7771]

70. Like which commuties have thier men 21 times more likely to be shot while unarmed? Thx in advance

[StarfishSaver]

42. Anyone with genuine "sympathy for the cause" would never withdraw it

because somebody tore up a Wendy's.

[RhodeIslandOne]

50. But what does one have to do with the other?

I suppose logic dies in these arguments though.

[Sugarcoated]

52. Trump will use it

to scare suburbanites and rural folk. I know people that hate Trump with a passion and those same people were appalled by what they saw happen to George Floyd but they don't like the looting and destruction of property and are afraid it will come to their neighborhoods. Crooked Donnie is already exploiting it, it's giving the crook a lifeline...

[StarfishSaver]

55. "Suburbanites/rural folk" who'll vote Trump because they think a black person destroyed a Wendy's

are going to vote for Trump anyway.

If they claim they're "appalled" by what they saw happen to George Floyd but will vote for Trump because they're upset by the destruction of property, they're lying about the George Floyd part.

If they were really appalled by it or even cared about him or the other black people who are being murdered by the police, they would never vote for Trump in the first place - and they certainly wouldn't vote for him because they think some black people behaved badly.

Sorry, but that argument doesn't fly.

[Sugarcoated]

57. Not necessarily

It's not that cut and dried. The Republican Party is very good at scaring people. If the incident in Atlanta leads to days and days of looting and destruction it will be used and crooked Don may be successful in winning back just enough suburban moderates in the swing states. He's got an uphill battle to actually pull off another inside straight but with voter suppression, outright cheating, if he keeps it close enough he can steal this election.

[StarfishSaver]

77. "Scared white suburbanites" are scared of blacks because they're bigots

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These are the people who "don't have a racist bone in my body," but accost their black suburbanite neighbors (when they have any) demanding they prove their right to be there and who always side with the police when they murder another innocent black man because "we don't know the whole story." They're going to vote for Trump whether or not a black person sets a Wendy's on fire. And if not a single black person ever sets a foot out of line ever again, Trump will STILL find a way to keep them scared of us.

But frankly, I'm sick and tired of white people tsk tsking at black people warning us that if we don't toe the line or if every single one of us doesn't protest in a manner they approve of, it will be OUR fault that he gets re-elected.

Sorry, but that's crap. Rather than distracting attention from the very real horrors of brothers and sisters being murdered that hundreds of thousands of us are trying to stop in a peaceful manner to obsess over the tiny handful of people who are destroying property - as if the latter is equivalent to and even worse than the former - and warning that we're going to make some white people vote for Trump, I wish our white allies would expend some energy on getting other white people to stop voting for Trump.

Trust me, very few white people are going to vote for Trump because a black person burned down a Wendy's. And if you think you know anyone who thinks that way, why don't YOU go talk them out of it?

If more white people had spent less time explaining away the racism and oppression we have been trying to fight and more time talking to their friends and families and not sitting back telling black folk how are not doing civil rights right because we keep making white people uncomfortable, we might not be in this situation now.

[Codeine]

87. Post of the day.

Post of the fucking week, in fact. Well said!

[uponit7771]

71. Trump's a racist, so normal people ignore him I pray we do t accept his actions as standard

[Baclava]

53. SOMETHING was gonna burn, its over, maybe that will be the last of it, pretty calm now

[Demovictory9]

54. 2020 has been a tragic year for restaurants, first C19, then the arson

[Rhiannon12866]

63. One thing I've noticed the times I've gone out are the lines of cars at take out fast food places

McDonald's, Taco Bell, KFC, they all have lines these days. And take out pizza places seem to be doing a lot of business, as well.

[Demovictory9]

75. fastfood never closed down

[keithbvadu2]

56. Was it more Trumpster arsonists pretending to be protesters?

Was it more Trumpster arsonists pretending to be protesters?

[Peacetrain]

85. Give this man a cigar!!

That was the first thing that went through my mind.. because it is so Trumpian like to take the focus away from the protests and get it lodged on something else..

[Judi Lynn]

91. They never go away, the always are there to seize the next opportunity.

Who benefits, ultimately, every time?

Racists use these events to fuel their lifetimes of hatred.

Anyone who doesn't recognize the motivation behind these dirty provocations is lying. Sure, they simply can't wait to add the new conflagration to their always burning race hatred, blaming the eternal "them" who can't be grateful for all the advantages the right-wing taxpayers (or tax avoiders) have given them, or not.

It's time to bear down, get even more vicious is the "reasoning."

[vercetti2021]

60. Well anybody up for some really well done baconators?

Just thought I'd throw in a funny

[GReedDiamond]

64. Vegantifa?

[Codeine]

88. Wendy's; where everything is flame-broiled now! nt

[uponit7771]

66. It's a shame Wendy's got destroyed but... [yes, we're seriously saying this shit once again] 🙄

[gulliver]

78. Smells like a false flag.

[jmg257]

82. Just to be clear on this...arson is/should be taken VERY seriously. NY penal law...

Such person may use any degree of physical force, other than deadly
physical force, which he or she reasonably believes to be necessary for
such purpose, and may use deadly physical force if he or she reasonably
believes such to be necessary to prevent or terminate the commission or
attempted commission of arson.

Just a heads up to people who may be inclined to burn shit.

[bluedigger]

90. Why couldn't the police protect such an obvious target?

Did it serve their purpose not to do so?

[Sancho]

92. Who called 911? Was it Wendy's?

That was not clear to me in the reporting, but Rayshard Brooks was on private property and parked - not on a public street or driving. If the police were there because Wendy's called them, then they were partially to blame. They could have walked over and asked Rayshard if he was ok, or waiting for someone, or if he wanted to order something...

I don't go to Wendy's anymore, because they are MF45 supporters.

As to the OP...generalized protesting, burning cars and businesses, and looting have occurred during riots and protests forever. That has nothing to do with anger over continuing racism by police. The incident was likely started by Wendy's staff, and escalated by aggressive and racist cops who wanted to harass black person.

Here's another question...was the Wendy's owned by a black owner? If not, I hope that whatever is built to replace that Wendy's is owned by a minority person.

[Lars39]

93. Trevor Noah explains why...

[whopis01]

96. Maybe the person flashing the white power symbol who started the fire could explain the reason

https://www.cbs46.com/news/10-000-reward-offered-for-identity-of-wendys-arsonist/article_889e7da6-ae6a-11ea-b6a7-3333060ac7d1.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook_CBS46&fbclid=IwAR3Lg0Z5pI-UGiJNSEo9AHSjN-r4Tg6m39PN2Jbv0sfWg54Pf2-RDBIxILk


Though I think it is pretty obvious why they started the fire.