A word to the street wise. Stop fighting cops.

[zak247]

There was a time as a tough hard-headed youth growing up in Newark NJ where, I kid you not, 5 minutes when I would leave my house at most ten a police car would ride up on me and say Pullover. I would be rousted and checked. It was like clockwork and I mean literally every day.

Now I wasn’t a major criminal but also not a saint or none of us were growing up there in one of the worst hoods in the country…Newark were good boys. The ones who survived like me were lucky.

But you know, we had sense. No one would fight a cop. Maybe run but no fighting cops, it’s a stupid thing to do. Even resisting arrest violently is something we never did back in the day.

Brothers ITS NOT KOOL!

Even Mafioso know better than fighting cops and if you’ll notice most of the brothers shot by police aren’t gang members, just petty criminals at worse. Most of them.

The point is any real gang member or even hardened gangster knows not to fight a goddam cop. Its no way you can win.


That's why rarely do these cops actually kill a real gangster? Gangsters are trained to know better than fighting a cop


Now I know people will say. Hey, don’t blame the victim.

But someone has got to school these young brothers to cease and desist fighting or resisting cops on the street.

I have to tell the young guys.

Chill on fighting cops for your own good.

Well have fewer incidents like Atalanta

And know in no way is meant to justify bad cops

[elevator]

1. BS

George Floyd wasn't fighting, or Tamir Rice, or dozens of others that could be listed.

[zak247]

2. Your right.

Your right. But we can count many were they did fight cops. Such as this Atlanta story. In my state, in April a WHITE man was shot to death by cops from 4 different police agencies...a long chase and he came out the car shooting.
https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/passaic/2020/06/09/wayne-nj-police-involved-shooting-video-released/5325809002/

No one wants to investigate the American male fighting cops on the street. We have an eye on racists cops( good) but this problem may involve other elements not only race.

Many young men are alienated, angry, and suffer psychological issues. Any problem has many elements to it, not just one.

Cops kill white people too.

Just last year a cop of North African descent in Minnesota went to jail for killing a white woman in her own garage.

[RandiFan1290]

5. *you're

0/10

[obamanut2012]

17. You're, not your

Your (not you're) posts are the most giggilicious thing I've read on here (not hear) for quite (not quiet) a while.

[uponit7771]

3. Right, my skin color has nothing to do with why cops shoot at me 21 times more than a white man it's

... it's cause I fight with them ... Right 🙄🙄🙄

Did you ... NOT ... see over 350 videos of police starting altercations during protesting?!?!!?

Why are you giving them the BOTD?!?!

[scarletlib]

4. Can't disagree with you. In general your advice seems correct.

However, I think we have reached a point in this country wherein Black Americans, especially men, are literally terrified of the police at this point. So much so that they fear any encounter with the police could end in their death.

At that point running may be the only option a person thinks is available to save their lives.

[SoonerPride]

6. Why is it up to the victim to stay calm and de-escalate?

The cops are the ones with all the supposed training in how to handle situations.

With white perps like Dylan Roof they calmly arrest them and buy them Burger King.

With black people and black men especially they freak out and escalate the situation leading to harm and death.

Why is that?

[milestogo]

9. Because it might save your life.

[uncle ray]

24. right. just like complying saved George Floyd's life.

[SoonerPride]

26. This.

This whole “stay calm and comply and you’ll be fine” is 100% bullshit.

There are literally dozens of easily available examples of completely compliant calm and now DEAD African Americans.

A better solution is getting rid of racist dumbfuck cops. Full stop.

[milestogo]

27. No, it didn't save his life.

But as a practical matter, you have a better chance of not being hurt if you comply than if you don't. Citizens have to de-escalate when they can. Not as a moral imperative, but as a survival imperative.

[uncle ray]

28. motherfuckers are being killed, not just roughed up a little.

the police need to de-escalate. black men have been trained to de-escalate for decades. "just follow the man's orders and you'll be fine". look where that's got them.

[jmg257]

10. It was a lot more controlled than that. He was calmly questioned, given a sobriety test

And when they actaully went to make the arrest and handcuff him, the shit hit the fan.

Yes the officer killed him without justification, no doubt. But it wasnt handled too badly up to the poimt of arrest.

[Jersey Devil]

11. Have vids of this been released yet?

I believe Atlanta requires all cops to have body cams so video evidence of this must exist

[Buckeye_Democrat]

12. Here.

Link:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=13591828

[jmg257]

14. Yes Link here...

https://www.ajc.com/news/video/Fsahkc3p7ItDwBqiOF1oGP/

[rgbecker]

15. I'd like to hear from other DUers about their experience getting stopped for drunk driving.

Is it common to be arrested and taken to jail....even if stopped and asleep on private property?

[jmg257]

18. It would be up to the officer. Personally i would show compassion

Others definitely/likely not. They don't care how an arrest can really screw up someones life, let alone lead to this terrible shit.

[Jersey Devil]

20. Yes, stopping and arresting him would be completely normal

I have prosecuted and defended hundreds of DWI cases and up until the scuffle it appears to me that the cops handled this case properly and were even more polite than usual.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

25. I worked with a guy who spent time in jail...

... and lost his CDL for being asleep in his truck after drinking. He was parked at a truck-stop and hadn't even drove after drinking, according to him. White guy originally from Tennessee.

Seemed overboard to me, but at least he wasn't killed.

[StarfishSaver]

21. It wasn't handed too badly until the point where they started handling it badly

and the cop shot and killed him for no reason.

[jmg257]

22. Yep exactly, as I mentioned.

[scarletlib]

29. At the point the that he ran away the police had all his identifying information.

In addition they had his car. It would not be a problem to pick him up later. He wasn’t a threat to anyone. No need to kill.

[StarfishSaver]

30. This happens all the time

The cop was pissed.

The hyper-macho, us-against-them, how-dare-you-not-respect-me culture must end.

[Fla Dem]

44. The cops got him for driving while intoxicated, even though he wasn't driving.

They detained him for 45 minutes having a conversation with him just hoping he'd do something they could react to. When he remained calm and respectful for 45 MINUTES, they then decide to escalate the situation. God knows why. Cuffing and arresting him was a stupid and ultimately deadly decision. Maybe they hadn't reached their quota of arresting Black men for the month and thought this was an easy one.

A better way of dealing with the issue was to ticket him, and give him a ride home or call a uber for him, or a relative to pick him up.

[jmg257]

46. Can't Argue with the bad results. Arresting someone for

DWI isn’t a ticket and go offense ...its a misdemeanor as well as violation(s).

there is a long process in establishing the crime, observation, test, field test, certified test at the station, etc. Cops will observe and record so they can spit it all back in complaints and court.

Certainly could have handled it more compassionately.
It’s only a DUI. Though it is a crime for good reason.

[Solomon]

8. Justifying bad cops is exactly what you're doing with this

condescending, patronizing post.

[zak247]

35. You're absolutely wrong.

If there is a rapist in the neighborhood do you tell your daughter this?
Well, honey I know there's a rapist running around and you don't have to take precautions because they have no right to bother you.


Do you fight cops when they stop you?
Would you tell your son to fight a cop?

I never said a thing about defending the cops
Your post is totally out of whack and false.

MY INTEREST IS SAVING YOUNG BLACK MEN'S LIVES. NOT SACRIFICING THEM FOR A CAUSE.


I GREW UP IN THE HOOD BROTHER, and know the deal. You're the one living in your mind. NOT REALITY!

[obamanut2012]

16. lolz

surrrrre

[dalton99a]

19. Better yet, quit breathing

[uponit7771]

43. 👍

[StarfishSaver]

23. Coming up on "Word to the Wise": Women, stop wearing those tight clothes

Resisting arrest isn't what causes black men to die at the hands of the police. Police shooting young black men is what causes young black men to die at the hands of the police.

[uponit7771]

42. +1, this is a perfect analogy

[Iggo]

31. But did you see how they were dressed?

[Humanist_Activist]

32. It's a sad fact that police need to be treated like wild animals by the public...

But it is generally good advice until we find a way to be rid of them.

[Fla Dem]

33. George Floyd did not resist and he was killed just the same.

Problem is, cops today are more biased. There has been an increase of white supremacist ideology in police forces. Police are being trained in military style tactics. Ex-military throughout the Nation's police forces. They approach situations as though they are tracking down enemy in Fallujah, Bagdad or Samarra. Plus back in your days in Newark, there were no iphones to capture police tactics. Police brutality wasn't filmed and reported on 24 hour news. Just because you didn't experience it, doesn't mean it wasn't happening.

But I somewhat agree with you and applaud you for trying to help younger Black Men avoid police harassment and brutality.

I'm surprised you don't recall the 1967 race riots ignited by the brutal beating of a Black Man by the police.

https://www.justsecurity.org/70507/white-supremacist-infiltration-of-us-police-forces-fact-checking-national-security-advisor-obrien/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_Newark_riots

[zak247]

34. I was a kid

I do recall the race riots. I was a kid and was visiting Washington DC.

And know Newark has never recovered.

[RandiFan1290]

38. Aww poor widdle zak

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No one is buying what you are selling.

It's spelled YOU'RE btw. You guys always get that wrong

and

buh bye

[Tipperary]

41. Why are you responding to yourself?

And did you mean “Pavlov” dog response?

[Sunsky]

39. Wow

This is just plain uninformed and I'm not surprised.
Firstly, according to the police report Mr. Brooks was intoxicated, which would give an explanation for his atypical actions, and in a world with proper police training, the cops should have been trained to deescalate the situation. The onus is not on the drunk guy to deescalate the situation, it's on the professionals. Instead of deescalating, Officer Rolfe himself escalated the situation.
My sibling who is a police officer once told me a story (one of his many stories of his adventures on the streets lol) about a DUI traffic stop where they called the guys family member, who came and gave comfort and was able to drive the car home. Sometimes, all it takes is compassion and a different approach.

Nurses have been handling belligerent patients without harming them. I've been spit at, slapped at, called every name in the book, etc. yet I could never and would never hit back. Also, my hospital policy states that the use of restraints (chemical or physical) should be the last resort. We are trained to deescalate situations. We are also trained not to take our patients' actions personally. Because policemen are interacting with the citizenry, they should receive the same training, esp when dealing with mental health issues (Intoxication falls under that category).

Secondly, the policeman who shot Mr. Brooks had a none lethal weapon in his possession but dropped it and discharged his firearm. The video shows Office Rolfe reaching for his handgun before Mr. Brooks turned the taser in his direction. Why do that if the intent isn't to cause maximum harm?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/14/us/videos-rayshard-brooks-shooting-atlanta-police.html

Thirdly, Mr. Brooks was running away when he was shot twice in the back. There can be no justification for shooting someone in the back twice.

I believe the policeman's ego was bruised when Mr. Brooks overpowered them and was able to grab the taser and in his raged state he overreacted. Now, there is one less "Brother" in the streets.

Mr. Brooks wasn't being gangster, he was intoxicated according to the report.
I am a strong opponent of DUI. However, a DUI traffic stop shouldn't get you killed.

[GoneOffShore]

40. Traffic stops are a way to gather revenue.

It turns out the 'traffic stops' don't really do anything for road safety.

Very interesting piece on this over at Jalopnik - The Case For Ending All Traffic Stops.

[bullwinkle428]

45. So if he had just cooperated, he would be fine? Like George Floyd?