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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo the question is - how do you have all these violent racist cop shows and movies
and not expect mostly young white males to practice what has been portrayed as the way policing is done.
delisen
(6,042 posts)olegramps
(8,200 posts)We are subjected to numerous "cop" shows in which the hero officer beats up suspects with the approval of his fellow officers. It appeals especially to the those Republicans with the law and order mentality who delude themselves that it is justifiable behavior. Cops abuse of minorities is not something new but has been going sense the birth of this nation. It has not been restricted to Backs and Hispanics but also to people from Ireland, Italy and the Orient and just about any new immigrates who are viewed as a threat.
ck4829
(35,041 posts)Now the Punisher himself has told police what he thinks of them coopting his sinister insignia.
In Punisher #13, out July 10, Frank Castle is cornered in an alleyway by uniformed cops who start gushing over their idol when they realize who he is. The officers even ask to take a selfie with Castle to share on their Punisher fan page.
Tearing a Punisher skull decal off their patrol car, Castle gives the officers a beat down and explains why they shouldn't worship him. "I'll only say this once: We're not the same. You took an oath to uphold the law. You help people. I gave that up a long time ago. You don't do what I do. Nobody does. You boys need a role model? His name is Captain America and he'd be happy to have you."
https://www.newsweek.com/punisher-police-blue-lives-matter-skull-logo-1449272
The writer who created the Punisher, Gerry Conway, has also stated how disturbed he is by police using the Punisher as a symbol and said it's akin to people in US government buildings using the confederate flag as a symbol.
But whoever wrote that is a genius and it's the solution: Maybe cops should try to avoid being the Punisher and try to be Captain America.
malaise
(268,844 posts)Thanks
Coventina
(27,083 posts)gulliver
(13,179 posts)N_E_1 for Tennis
(9,712 posts)In the not too distant future...wondering why we had to ask that question.
certainot
(9,090 posts)every time these events happen rw radio makes excuses for it, defends the cops, and pollutes the jury pools
malaise
(268,844 posts)Never thought of that
certainot
(9,090 posts)seeng some dashcam footage for some event and the cop had music on
not sure how honest they'd be if straight-up asked about it
might not be hard for a reporter to do if they asked low level short term detainees on release
Soxfan58
(3,479 posts)Someone finally said it. It won't end the world if cops shows don't beat the crap out of a suspect.
Oppaloopa
(867 posts)A cell in the basement. lots of money in a secret safe in the basement of the boss's house. Hank always tells his men you tell me the truth so I can lie for you. They always slant this so they are still the good guys. Forced confessions etc.
spanone
(135,802 posts)pecosbob
(7,534 posts)KewlKat
(5,624 posts)portray horrible behavior. What an awful example we are setting.
usaf-vet
(6,178 posts)I use to tell my kids that I don't like reality TV programs because " I have a hard enough time dealing with the reality of daily life without the added confusion of reality TV".
That is a mostly true statement but I do watch reality TV in the form of programs like "This Old House" and the "New Yankee Workshop". PBS programming.
But to see how policing happens in other parts of the world I would suggest seeking out cop programs from the UK. The typical UK COP series depicts cops who solve mysteries and arrest bad guys without carrying guns.
Guns are only used by specially trained street cops who are issued a gun WHEN NEEDED. When the situation arises they do have SWAT teams.
Then, of course, the UK citizens aren't armed to the teeth because of a 2nd amendment and a gun industry that wants to sell guns.
That is the reality in other parts of the world.
ooky
(8,920 posts)stlstdg
(34 posts)It was a highly praised and highly rated show that glorified
the beating up and torture of suspects.
One of the main characters, a white detective named Sipowicz, was a racist who,
while he kept his views (for the most part) out of his job, routinely beat up and
slapped around suspects. He was lauded by his Lieutenant (an African American)
who did not like him, but recognized him for getting "results."
Unfortunately, Sipowicz wasn't the only detective in the precinct who indulged
in such actions. Another white detective, Kelly (played by David Caruso), in one
episode, told one suspect that he had alone in the interrogation room to confess to a
murder or he'd give him the "beating of his life." When a younger detective
asked him what if he beat a confession out of the wrong person, Kelly only replied,
"then God forgive me. That's all I can tell you."
In another episode, Sipowicz joins with another detective to torture a suspect
in one of the detective cars, snarling at him that "you ain't got no rights."
These people were presented by the show as heroes.
I know that such things routinely happen(ed) in police stations; I have no problem
with gritty, realistic portrayals of life. But to present such behavior as if it should
be admired, and to "conveniently" never be done by mistake or otherwise to an
innocent person, at least before I was done with the series, is beyond the pale.
Thankfully the show's creators and producers never showed either of these guys
beating up an African American.
Dennis Franz, who played Sipowicz, talked in one interview about the praise that he
had gotten from actual cops, regarding his portrayal.
It's been more than twenty years since the show finished its run but nevertheless,
I still remember how I was often appalled at it, and by the indifference to those
issues that all those singing the show's praises displayed.
Fortunately, I don't think that such as show would go over as well now (I hope).
qwlauren35
(6,145 posts)For as long as I can remember, there have been cop shows. I'm embarrassed that I like a few of them.
They do not help us as a society. They do not help us to move forward, they do not help us to heal.
HOWEVER, millions of people who scream if told to give them up.
It's a lot like guns.
It's a lot like violent video games.
No one wants to believe that these things perpetuate a violent society.
And millions of people who are addicted to them are not going to give them up.