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So the question is - how do you have all these violent racist cop shows and movies (Original Post) malaise Jun 2020 OP
A good question . n/t delisen Jun 2020 #1
This has been a major concern for me for years. olegramps Jun 2020 #19
And using the Punisher skull as a symbol for the police, that is warped all sorts of ways ck4829 Jun 2020 #2
I did not even know this malaise Jun 2020 #4
The misuse of Punisher has irked me for a long time. Glad it's being addressed. n/t Coventina Jun 2020 #8
Thanks, I've been wondering what the gopher skull cartoon image on cars was. gulliver Jun 2020 #9
+1 dalton99a Jun 2020 #10
Imagine... N_E_1 for Tennis Jun 2020 #3
also media needs to poll people transported in cop cars how many times the cop had rw radio on certainot Jun 2020 #5
Interesting malaise Jun 2020 #6
i don't know if cops are allowed to listen to entertainment radio but i remember certainot Jun 2020 #12
Thank you! Soxfan58 Jun 2020 #7
Chicago P D is a great one for showing police corruption Oppaloopa Jun 2020 #16
Always hated these shows. They serve little to no purpose. spanone Jun 2020 #11
Hollywood has done more than it's part to prop up the police state pecosbob Jun 2020 #13
THIS malaise Jun 2020 #14
I've said this for years!!! Talk about glorification! Get them off the TV. All these reality shows KewlKat Jun 2020 #15
Reality TV cops programs..meet reality TV president. NOT a good mixture. usaf-vet Jun 2020 #17
With TV shows like these what could go wrong? ooky Jun 2020 #18
NYPD BLUE WAS HORRIBLE IN THIS REGARD stlstdg Jun 2020 #20
So, so, many of them. qwlauren35 Jun 2020 #21

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
19. This has been a major concern for me for years.
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 09:54 AM
Jun 2020

We are subjected to numerous "cop" shows in which the hero officer beats up suspects with the approval of his fellow officers. It appeals especially to the those Republicans with the law and order mentality who delude themselves that it is justifiable behavior. Cops abuse of minorities is not something new but has been going sense the birth of this nation. It has not been restricted to Backs and Hispanics but also to people from Ireland, Italy and the Orient and just about any new immigrates who are viewed as a threat.

ck4829

(35,041 posts)
2. And using the Punisher skull as a symbol for the police, that is warped all sorts of ways
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 07:42 AM
Jun 2020
The Punisher, Marvel Comics' murderous vigilante, has become a symbol for the Blue Lives Matter movement, with cops posting the character's iconic skull logo on social media, t-shirts—even police cars.

Now the Punisher himself has told police what he thinks of them coopting his sinister insignia.

In Punisher #13, out July 10, Frank Castle is cornered in an alleyway by uniformed cops who start gushing over their idol when they realize who he is. The officers even ask to take a selfie with Castle to share on their Punisher fan page.

Tearing a Punisher skull decal off their patrol car, Castle gives the officers a beat down and explains why they shouldn't worship him. "I'll only say this once: We're not the same. You took an oath to uphold the law. You help people. I gave that up a long time ago. You don't do what I do. Nobody does. You boys need a role model? His name is Captain America and he'd be happy to have you."

https://www.newsweek.com/punisher-police-blue-lives-matter-skull-logo-1449272


The writer who created the Punisher, Gerry Conway, has also stated how disturbed he is by police using the Punisher as a symbol and said it's akin to people in US government buildings using the confederate flag as a symbol.

But whoever wrote that is a genius and it's the solution: Maybe cops should try to avoid being the Punisher and try to be Captain America.
 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
5. also media needs to poll people transported in cop cars how many times the cop had rw radio on
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 08:21 AM
Jun 2020

every time these events happen rw radio makes excuses for it, defends the cops, and pollutes the jury pools

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
12. i don't know if cops are allowed to listen to entertainment radio but i remember
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 09:50 AM
Jun 2020

seeng some dashcam footage for some event and the cop had music on

not sure how honest they'd be if straight-up asked about it

might not be hard for a reporter to do if they asked low level short term detainees on release

Soxfan58

(3,479 posts)
7. Thank you!
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 09:11 AM
Jun 2020

Someone finally said it. It won't end the world if cops shows don't beat the crap out of a suspect.

Oppaloopa

(867 posts)
16. Chicago P D is a great one for showing police corruption
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 10:27 AM
Jun 2020

A cell in the basement. lots of money in a secret safe in the basement of the boss's house. Hank always tells his men you tell me the truth so I can lie for you. They always slant this so they are still the good guys. Forced confessions etc.

KewlKat

(5,624 posts)
15. I've said this for years!!! Talk about glorification! Get them off the TV. All these reality shows
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 09:56 AM
Jun 2020

portray horrible behavior. What an awful example we are setting.

usaf-vet

(6,178 posts)
17. Reality TV cops programs..meet reality TV president. NOT a good mixture.
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 10:42 AM
Jun 2020

I use to tell my kids that I don't like reality TV programs because " I have a hard enough time dealing with the reality of daily life without the added confusion of reality TV".

That is a mostly true statement but I do watch reality TV in the form of programs like "This Old House" and the "New Yankee Workshop". PBS programming.

But to see how policing happens in other parts of the world I would suggest seeking out cop programs from the UK. The typical UK COP series depicts cops who solve mysteries and arrest bad guys without carrying guns.

Guns are only used by specially trained street cops who are issued a gun WHEN NEEDED. When the situation arises they do have SWAT teams.

Then, of course, the UK citizens aren't armed to the teeth because of a 2nd amendment and a gun industry that wants to sell guns.

That is the reality in other parts of the world.

stlstdg

(34 posts)
20. NYPD BLUE WAS HORRIBLE IN THIS REGARD
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 09:21 PM
Jun 2020

It was a highly praised and highly rated show that glorified
the beating up and torture of suspects.

One of the main characters, a white detective named Sipowicz, was a racist who,
while he kept his views (for the most part) out of his job, routinely beat up and
slapped around suspects. He was lauded by his Lieutenant (an African American)
who did not like him, but recognized him for getting "results."

Unfortunately, Sipowicz wasn't the only detective in the precinct who indulged
in such actions. Another white detective, Kelly (played by David Caruso), in one
episode, told one suspect that he had alone in the interrogation room to confess to a
murder or he'd give him the "beating of his life." When a younger detective
asked him what if he beat a confession out of the wrong person, Kelly only replied,
"then God forgive me. That's all I can tell you."

In another episode, Sipowicz joins with another detective to torture a suspect
in one of the detective cars, snarling at him that "you ain't got no rights."

These people were presented by the show as heroes.

I know that such things routinely happen(ed) in police stations; I have no problem
with gritty, realistic portrayals of life. But to present such behavior as if it should
be admired, and to "conveniently" never be done by mistake or otherwise to an
innocent person, at least before I was done with the series, is beyond the pale.
Thankfully the show's creators and producers never showed either of these guys
beating up an African American.

Dennis Franz, who played Sipowicz, talked in one interview about the praise that he
had gotten from actual cops, regarding his portrayal.

It's been more than twenty years since the show finished its run but nevertheless,
I still remember how I was often appalled at it, and by the indifference to those
issues that all those singing the show's praises displayed.

Fortunately, I don't think that such as show would go over as well now (I hope).

qwlauren35

(6,145 posts)
21. So, so, many of them.
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 09:45 PM
Jun 2020

For as long as I can remember, there have been cop shows. I'm embarrassed that I like a few of them.

They do not help us as a society. They do not help us to move forward, they do not help us to heal.

HOWEVER, millions of people who scream if told to give them up.

It's a lot like guns.

It's a lot like violent video games.

No one wants to believe that these things perpetuate a violent society.

And millions of people who are addicted to them are not going to give them up.

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