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Sun Jun 14, 2020, 02:20 PM

While cops stand down when white man in combat gear with automatic weapons storm state Capitols

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Reply While cops stand down when white man in combat gear with automatic weapons storm state Capitols (Original post)
StarfishSaver Jun 14 OP
eleny Jun 14 #1
Maraya1969 Jun 14 #2
StarfishSaver Jun 14 #3
Beakybird Jun 14 #4
pamdb Jun 14 #5
StarfishSaver Jun 14 #6
RT Atlanta Jun 14 #9
Bettie Jun 14 #7
StarfishSaver Jun 14 #8
RT Atlanta Jun 14 #11
Bettie Jun 14 #12
StarfishSaver Jun 14 #14
Bettie Jun 14 #18
dawg day Jun 14 #19
Renew Deal Jun 14 #10
JonLP24 Jun 14 #13
Renew Deal Jun 14 #15
JonLP24 Jun 14 #17
Blue_true Jun 14 #20
Polybius Jun 18 #24
Renew Deal Jun 18 #25
Polybius Jun 18 #26
StarfishSaver Jun 14 #16
Blue_true Jun 14 #21
StarfishSaver Jun 14 #22
uponit7771 Jun 18 #23
Hermit-The-Prog Jun 18 #27

Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 02:24 PM

1. That was intense

K&R

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 02:38 PM

2. Wait. That was a black guy with just a camera or did her also have a gun?

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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 02:41 PM

3. I think he was open carrying with a gun on his belt.

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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 02:44 PM

4. They discuss "open carry." I don't think they're referring to beverages.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 03:16 PM

5. confrontation



Personally, I don't care if you're white or black or purple with pink polka
dots, I disapprove of open carry anywhere. I don't understand why men, it's usually men, feel the need to walk around with a gun on their hip. In the grocery store, in the mall, at a city commission meeting? Why? Are they that insecure?

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Response to pamdb (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 04:16 PM

6. That's not the point here.

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Response to pamdb (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 04:24 PM

9. they're insecure selfish jerks, afraid of the boogeyman (black guy) and they have small dicks

that's why those assholes do that.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 04:21 PM

7. So, white dudes carrying guns everywhere, A-OK

one black guy carrying...not OK.

I personally don't think carrying a gun is generally necessary or a good idea, however, there is a very obvious double standard.

Anyone who doesn't see that is choosing not to.

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Response to Bettie (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 04:22 PM

8. Check this out

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #8)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 04:28 PM

11. Sadly, that's the state of affairs today

His 'crime,' being black....

FTP

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #8)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 04:31 PM

12. I have seen it before

but everyone should see this.

There is an obvious and blatant double standard in nearly everything and it is wrong.

And all of us who are white should be standing up and saying that. Unequivocally.

Unfortunately, a lot of white people either choose not to see this or do see it and they like it.

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Response to Bettie (Reply #12)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 04:35 PM

14. I'm in awe of that man's bravery and his willingness to risk his life to bring this to light

He could easily have been killed.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #14)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 04:49 PM

18. I am too

I'm actually surprised that the cops left him alone eventually.

Not sure why one guy should have required 8 cops, but that seems to be how they do it these days, always at least four showing up for anything.

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Response to Bettie (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 06:29 PM

19. Remember Philando Castile,

Who was traffic stopped, put his hands o the wheel to show he was no threat, and as he was supposed to told the cop he had a gun in the glove box and had a permit....

The officer never let him say another word
.. summarily executed him. The NRA and all the gun advocates were fine with that.

This guy in the video sure knew his rights!

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 04:28 PM

10. It would be better if the cops hassled more of the open carry types.

Open carry is completely ridiculous for a civilized society. It's impossible to know who is crazy vs. who is crazy and dangerous.

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #10)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 04:31 PM

13. You can't stop people based on open carry alone if open carry is legal

Terry stop
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Police investigative stops
Related concepts
Fourth AmendmentSearch and seizureProbable causeReasonable suspicionTerry stopPretextual stopConsent searchSearch warrant
Case law
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A Terry stop in the United States allows the police to briefly detain a person based on reasonable suspicion of involvement in criminal activity.[1][2] Reasonable suspicion is a lower standard than probable cause which is needed for arrest. When police stop and search a pedestrian, this is commonly known as a stop and frisk. When police stop an automobile, this is known as a traffic stop. If the police stop a motor vehicle on minor infringements in order to investigate other suspected criminal activity, this is known as a pretextual stop. Additional rules apply to stops that occur on a bus.[3]

There is a difference between one police officer stopping one individual, which is a tactical definition, and systematic promotion of this tactic on either the departmental or municipal level, which can damage police–community trust and lead to charges of racial profiling.

Although the Supreme Court has published many cases that define the intersection between policing and the Fourth Amendment in the U.S., Congress has not defined a baseline for police behavior. There has been some state action at both the legislative and judicial levels, and also some cities have passed laws on these issues.[4][5] Except where noted, this article will primarily deal with these issues on a national level. Local and state laws may vary, but that is the exception and not the rule.

Origins
Terry v. Ohio used only the "reasonableness clause" from the Fourth Amendment[6]
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated,... Reasonableness
...and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. Warrant
The concept of a Terry stop originated in the 1968 Supreme Court case Terry v. Ohio, in which a police officer detained three Cleveland men on the street behaving suspiciously, as if they were preparing for armed robbery. The police conducted a pat down search and discovered a revolver, and subsequently, two of the men were convicted of carrying a concealed weapon.[7] The men appealed their case to the Supreme Court, arguing that the revolver was found during an illegal search under the Fourth Amendment. This brief detention and search were deemed admissible by the court, judging that the officer had reasonable suspicion which could be articulated (not just a hunch) that the person detained may be armed and dangerous. It is key to note that not just "mere" suspicion was used, but "reasonable" suspicion which could be articulated at a later date.[8

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_stop

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Response to JonLP24 (Reply #13)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 04:37 PM

15. I'm calling the cops if I see someone walking around with a gun.

It's not up to me to know if he/she is a lawful gun owner or out to kill. Let him/her explain it to the police.

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #15)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 04:38 PM

17. I live in Arizona so I have seen people open carry

I don't call the cops because I know open carry is legal in this state. I'm 100% in favor of changing gun laws though.

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Response to JonLP24 (Reply #17)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 07:48 PM

20. The first time that I visited Arizona on business, I saw a scruffy

looking biker dude outside a convenience store with a big pistol in a hoster. The scene blew my mine, I was thinking "should I go into this place with a guy just lounging around outside with a gun? What if he is about to rob the place?" I mentioned that to one of the people that I was visiting and was told that what the guy was doing was legal per state law.

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #15)

Thu Jun 18, 2020, 02:51 PM

24. If it's an open-carry state, the police will laugh

They can't be bothered checking, nor can they just randomly ask a person for his licence without intent.

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Response to Polybius (Reply #24)

Thu Jun 18, 2020, 04:10 PM

25. The videos prove otherwise

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #25)

Thu Jun 18, 2020, 09:29 PM

26. No they don't

There was a reason. If half the state is carrying, they're not gonna stop everyone, nor can they legally without reason.

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Response to JonLP24 (Reply #13)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 04:37 PM

16. Did you watch the video?

Obviously, the cops aren't adhering to the law when it comes to black men. That's the point.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #16)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 07:53 PM

21. Exactly.

It will be interesting to see what happens when armed Whites and armed Black counter-protesters show up in the same place at the same time. I just don't see cops standing by while the African American people storm into Legistlative buildings with guns, or take up a position outside the governor's office or home with guns. I also don't expect the cops to allow Black men carrying guns to scream in their faces.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #21)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 08:18 PM

22. No way in hell

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Thu Jun 18, 2020, 02:02 PM

23. K&R, more proof that the second amendment is a whites only law

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Thu Jun 18, 2020, 09:35 PM

27. We need to take the badges and uniforms away from Nazis.

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