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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAOC: Oh look, someone took a photo of what my life is like debating Republicans in committee each wk
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Me.
(35,454 posts)Katie Porter, Val Demmings, Aunt Maxine and others come to mind.
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Iggo
(47,545 posts)You get thats what shes doing, right?
demmiblue
(36,833 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)lead by the most powerful and experienced, bringing along the most talented already marked for future leadership, like Porter and Demmings.
More dozens of committee staffers expert on a variety of specialties, whose job includes educating the congressmen. Almost all the work taking place in, like, offices, conference, committee rooms without TV cameras to bloviate to. And usually without Republicans.
Private meetings where important decisions are made by the leaders and then presented to subcommittees to continue working on, before presentation to committee leaders for further negotiation and decisions. Briefing meetings and more instructions and assignments for the rest. Staffers writing and negotiating legislation. More briefing meetings, work assigned and worked on, often continued at dozens of committee members own offices by their own staffers. More meetings. And on and on.
This was just a joke of course, way too absurd for her to imagine anyone could take it seriously.
https://t.co/OMxPpbo1i1">https://t.co/OMxPpbo1i1</a></p> Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) <a href="
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Me.
(35,454 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)couldn't afford to live in DC at that point, hiring dozens of staff for her new offices, and, like all the other freshmen, learning to get back to the one in the Cannon Office Building without a map.
George II
(67,782 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)no one else's?
obamanut2012
(26,049 posts)I'm not much of a fan of AOC, but your post is a tad... odd and accusing. Have you never heard a song, read an article, saw a cartoon that reminded you of your life in some way???
Beartracks
(12,806 posts)... doesn't understand my math homework" and it shows a picture of a dog making some funny face, I do not immediately ask, "What makes that person think the photo is about them?"
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SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)I have my suspicions though
George II
(67,782 posts)jaxexpat
(6,813 posts)You seem to be resisting the profound statement of fact that the cartoon in question makes loud and clear. That it applies to AOC is unquestionable. That it applies to everyone who accedes to higher station despite the entrenchment and passive-aggressive condescension of inevitable power clubs is equally unquestionable.
Having an off Monday?
live love laugh
(13,091 posts)PandoraAwakened
(905 posts)You are, of course, correct jaxexpat. However, you're trying to apply a logical premise to answer an emotional bias held by certain posters here, a bias that clouds their judgment such that they cannot even understand the words you've written.
If you find the snarky attitude repeatedly exhibited here toward AOC a tad confounding---on a site that professes a policy of not bashing fellow Democrats---let me help cut through the fog of inconsistency. It's not terribly complex, really, because it comes down to one simple but sad human emotion: JEALOUSY---in this case, a nuanced version best described as "generational jealousy."
Yes, I said it. I went there. Cat's out of the bag now. It's nothing more than petty, generational jealousy. (Cue AOC haters clutching pearls in "righteous indignation"...gasp!)
Anyone who has read posts here for at least the past couple years knows that it's always the same small group of self-proclaimed "elders" who get on their hypocritical high horses whenever someone dares to speak of AOC...Oh, the horror, Bertha bolt the door!
For these folks, like a true zombie-eyed Fox auduence, you might as well replace "AOC" with "BOO!" However, what gives away the exact nature of their opposition to AOC as being nothing more than generational jealousy is that they inevitably proffer "age and wisdom" arguments as somehow dispositive.
If you're not sure what I mean by this, think back to the Vietnam War when "age" and "wisdom" were the most commonly cited arguments amongst the elderly against "those damn hippies" who were burning their draft cards and marching in the streets by the thousands. These arguments by older, supposedly "wiser" persons proved to NOT be dispositive in any way to the moral injustice of that illegally propagated war. In other words, that bucket held no water.
Now, reasonable people might ask why in the world old folks who are self-proclaimed Democrats would be so jealous of this person, a duly-elected Democratic member of Congress? Well, it's quite simple, really:
They're jealous that a young woman of color is able to speak to and influence HER OWN GENERATION, including young, white people, in a way that they themselves were personally never able to achieve.
They're jealous that she is able to do this with her generation much more effectively than any of these social justice warriors were ever able to do themselves in 40, 50, 60 years of trying to have an impact on their own Silent Generation.
To the elderly who feel compelled to focus their generational jealousy on AOC, I say the following:
Thank you for your service if you protested Nixon and the Vietnam War. In particular, thank you for not listening to the elders of that time with their bullshit "age and wisdom" arguments.
Thank you if you marched for Equal Rights---even if you ultimately dropped the ball by only mustering to the polls 30% to 40% of voters at any given time and thereby failing to consistently elect legislators and jurists that would actually UPHOLD the Civil Rights Acts of 1964, 1968, 1974, & 1988.
Thank you for this patchwork tapestry of legislation---even though you never quite finished the job by getting an Equal Rights Amendment enshrined in the Constitution---you know, an actual solution that wouldn't have left everyone constantly twisting in the wind at the whims of right-wing, nutjob politicians & judges with their systemic mysogyny, homophobia, racism, and xenophobia.
Thank you to the far fewer number of you who spoke out against the Reagan and Bush era atrocities---protestations that, unfortunately, weren't loud enough or effective enough to prevent millions of people from being murdered.
And finally, thank you to the teeny, weeny, tiny number of you who had the courage and the brains to speak up 30 years ago in the name of science about the climate change perils ahead---at a time when it was up to your generation, the ones in power, to implement mitigation measures...yet didn't...and now it is likely too late.
Thank you for all of this and more. We recognize it has been a sincere and heartfelt, albeit imperfect and often ineffective, effort on your part.
Now, it's your turn to recognize and accept that others younger than you have picked up the mantle where you dropped it. It is not your place to shit on those efforts, particularly when most plans center on either fixing what your generation broke or finishing what your generation was incapable of completing.
Time to give up the jealousy ghost. You know, I know, and everyone else knows that it has nothing to do with AOC herself. If not her, it would be some other young nail you'd pound that same old, tired hammer on. So, just let it go. You've given up on other causes many times...trust me, you can just as easily turn away from your jealous AOC bashing.
Once the green dust clears, you'll be amazed at all the things that make so much more sense to you...like why the cartoon of this OP is so hilarious and why jaxexpat's logical words ring so true. See? Simple.
SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)Thank you.
George II
(67,782 posts)jaxexpat
(6,813 posts)Ears still ringing.
If there's one thing I've learned in my 68 years, it's that logic will outlast passion in the world of results. I saw the betrayal of the hope embodied in Jimmy Carter. The betrayal was from GOP, conservative, 1%er interests as they bought Washington, D.C. and access to the treasure chests there. It was a relatively quiet coup, really. They just did their nefarious work diligently and consistently. They've been experimenting with the government altering drug of POWER ever since. They initially worked at it like a project but these days it has become recreational madness.
To pull the reins in on these fools, we just need to learn, learn, study, study, know, know the facts as hints stick out on the peripheral of contemporary experience. Not relying on feelings as evidence, but instead, acknowledging the premierity of observation.
Like: it's not the words of the protester, no matter how profound, that will change the trajectory of history. It's education, because education is unstoppable. Educating the people is hard but it is the only means with result, because fact based concepts are the foundations for progress. It is knowledgeable, individual voters who will seek and elect politicians who work toward the will of the electorate. And if those politicians don't produce or become jaded, those same voters will fire them and find someone who is more up to the task of projecting their vision of destiny.
But there is a rub to it. People will not look for facts and will not remove failed legislators, if they think they're personal fortunes are already doing well. And "doing well" is always defined as doing better than anybody else. How many people, as the corona virus news was coming for Wu-Han, noticed that the back-view, the periphery of the broadcasts, showed a city which compared to any large American city. Maybe even cleaner and more modern, more "western" than most midwestern American cities. How many were able to realize that their world view of bamboo huts and water buffalo working the fields was totally wrong? And where were the oppressive, failed communist overseers holding them back into desperate poverty? Education, education, education. Keep it up.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)viciously attacking the older Democrats who have been working for decades for change.
Included in this attack are the millions of African-American Democratic voters and activists who have worked our asses off against great odds to push the country closer to its promise - whom you seem to think didn't do it well enough for your tastes because we didn't completely change the world.
Wow.
George II
(67,782 posts)Reminds me of all those who disrespect the likes of John Lewis, Elijah Cummings (rest his soul), etc.
It's as though they're trying to say, "move over, this is OUR world now!" But then when they find them in over their heads, who do they ask to help them out? US!
Gothmog
(145,046 posts)There are a large number of real democrats who have been working for change for a very long time
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)It's easy for anyone to create a laundry list of problems and imperfections with the party and things that remain to be done... but it's quite another (and much harder) to get the majority of 100 people in a room to be able to agree and vote on such things, and to pass the laws and fund the programs that will help us all. Nothing happens by magic, nothing happens automatically. In the real world (where I happen to live) there's always going to be give-and-take. There will always need to be compromise and finding common ground in order to make some progress (even if it's not everything we want).
She has much potential, but a lot of that potential is being squandered. So much time and effort is being exerted and devoted to things that do not benefit her constituents. So much time is spent away from her constituents that many feel neglected and abandoned.
Now, I honestly do not expect one member of congress to be able to solve the woes of the party or the nation (nor should anyone) but I do think it's fair to compare her to one of her colleagues. Therefore, I think it's helpful for people to compare her to another freshman congresswoman like Sharice Davids. https://davids.house.gov/
In that case it's clear to me that Ms. Davids has a far greater list of actual accomplishments (in the same amount of time) and deserves much more praise and recognition. Yet she toils on in relative obscurity... not seeking the spotlight... not being distracted by fame and game shows... avoiding the lure of becoming a legislative celebrity. Instead, she is continuing her hard work for her constituents. Ms. Davids has not forgotten what she was elected to do. She's keeping her promises, and that is what deserves praise.
So... back to my original question: what are her legislative accomplishments that surpass "40, 50, 60 years" of work done by others before her?
Thanks in advance for your reply.
jalan48
(13,852 posts)Also, and maybe more importantly she supported and was supported by Sanders. I think for some there's a bit of How dare she?
SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)I always get a whiff of misogyny from the anti-AOC crowd.
And maybe that's my inherent anti-bias bias. So maybe I'm just looking for it and it isn't there.
But that's how I perceive it nonetheless.
jcgoldie
(11,623 posts)Look no further than this thread.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)How dare she, indeed
still_one
(92,110 posts)are critical of those who are critical of Rep Ocasio-Cortez
betsuni
(25,442 posts)Response to still_one (Reply #71)
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betsuni
(25,442 posts)sheshe2
(83,708 posts)Sympthsical
(9,054 posts)From her detractors. Just a lot of resentment she unseated Crowley, and who is this young woman of color to dare think she could do that?!
It surfaces over and over again. Always the same people, too.
SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)It is very upsetting to me.
still_one
(92,110 posts)same ones who are now hurling misogynistic charges against those critical of Rep Ocasio-Cortez?
George II
(67,782 posts)....she has rarely been seen in her district. The talk among the constituents in Queens (not sure about the Bronx) is that she is hardly ever there and her office is very difficult to contact and rarely open - people are directed to her House website or DC office. She doesn't even have an office in the Bronx, just a part-time desk located in Assembly Member Reyes' Office.
Sympthsical
(9,054 posts)You may have to contain yourself,
Mariana
(14,854 posts)PTWB
(4,131 posts)But most are.
And it is very distressing to me.
I expect that from trumpists. But from supposed democratic allies it really boggles my mind.
And breaks my heart.
PandoraAwakened
(905 posts)I have always found that getting to the root of why people behave as they do is the best way to remove the distress caused by such persons.
Boggle your mind no more. There is actually a very simple explanation for such behavior existing on this site in particular.
still_one
(92,110 posts)PTWB
(4,131 posts)I said not all of her detractors are racist misogynists, but most are.
Anyone who is offended by that needs to do some soul searching.
still_one
(92,110 posts)status.
It has to do when Representative Ocasio-Cortez makes comments such as this:
"In any other country, Joe Biden and I would not be in the same party,"
Curious, were you outraged when Hillary was called every vile and sexist name in the book by self-identified progressives?
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Every misogynistic smear against Clinton was vile. She was smeared by the right wing for over two decades.
While Clinton was poorly advised into running a cautious campaign with careful, focus-group-approved messaging, I think at heart she was more progressive than her messaging let on. She is also incredibly competent, capable and intelligent.
She would have made a fine President.
still_one
(92,110 posts)one can disagree with, on this message of sexism.
Kaleva
(36,291 posts)I don't see a single member in this thread who has posted a negative comment about AOC who was a Sanders supporter during the primary. Maybe you see a few but I don't.
If someone were to take the time to research this, I don't think your claim that "I said not all of her detractors are racist misogynists, but most are." would hold up.
still_one
(92,110 posts)she considers "establishment Democrats"
When Representative Ocasio-Cortez makes comments such as this:
"In any other country, Joe Biden and I would not be in the same party,"
Is it any wonder that there is friction between the different groups
It really isn't rocket science
I have no disagreement with her personification of the sexism that she feels the republicans exhibit toward her in the OP, but I do have issues with some of the posters insinuating that most of those on DU who are Rep Ocasio-Cortez detractors are racist and sexist, without understanding the history behind it
Kaleva
(36,291 posts)still_one
(92,110 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....are among what you characterize as "detractors", they're both women and both are WOC. They're "racists and misogynists"?
How about the two Hispanic men who entered the primary but withdrew. "Racists"?
So, people who are offended by your generalization of those you have never met or know are the ones who need to do some soul searching?
Sweet.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)If not Id be happy to define them for you.
George II
(67,782 posts)PTWB
(4,131 posts)shes a woman, or a person of color, or both. The ones who do so knowingly and proudly and also the ones who do so but try to mask their reasoning.
AOC isnt perfect. No one is. She should not let perfect be the enemy or good, when it comes to her endorsements.
That said... there sure is a lot of hand wringing going on in a thread about a cartoon. Some folks get a serious case of the vapors every time AOC does or says anything at all.
George II
(67,782 posts)are:
Badrun Khan, a woman and person of color
Michelle Caruso-Cabrera, a woman and person of color
Fernando Cabrera - a man of color
Jose Velazquez - a man of color
NO ONE in this discussion or anywhere else that I've seen have taken issue with her because she's a woman or a person of color. NO ONE!
Can you direct me to one that has?
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Someone could/would simply say, I take issue with AOC because she is a woman?
Look through the thread and see if you can find anyone who takes issue with AOC posting a cartoon. See if they have legitimate reasons to take issue. If they dont, well,
betsuni
(25,442 posts)No. People repeat conspiracy theories, propaganda about Democrats and someone refutes it. The response is "Why do you think Democrats/Hillary Clinton are perfect?"
Democrats/Hillary Clinton never said Democrats are the same as Republicans. AOC has. Said if she and Joe Biden were in another county they wouldn't be in the same party.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)In a country with a proper system that isnt limited to two parties, they absolutely would be in different parties. But we have a really big tent in our deeply flawed two party system. So what?
betsuni
(25,442 posts)PandoraAwakened
(905 posts)Wholeheartedly agree with your sentiments. However, there's another element at play here that peels back the onion more succinctly.
See commentary above titled "What You Need to Understand About AOC Bashers."
betsuni
(25,442 posts)Said to the Democratic base who don't despise the Democratic Party.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Some people are trying to break the stranglehold that money has over politics, even on our side of the aisle. If you cant see the difference even now then maybe you never will.
reACTIONary
(5,770 posts)... some sort of poll or personality survey you have conducted?
George II
(67,782 posts)still_one
(92,110 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)appreciate support of primary candidates who can't win because the other candidate is a "centrist."
Bettie
(16,083 posts)and there's a lot of "she's young so she should sit down and shut up" in there too.
sheshe2
(83,708 posts)Many have said Nancy Pelosi is old and in the way. That she should step down and shut up.
Many newbies attempted to take her down. That is a fact.
They failed.
I am with Nancy.
Bettie
(16,083 posts)others for being young? To tell them to sit down and shut up?
sheshe2
(83,708 posts)Bettie
(16,083 posts)I was talking about the people in this thread who, if AOC said the sky was blue would argue that she had stated that she WAS the sky.
Celerity
(43,246 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)It's not hate to disagree.
Marrah_Goodman
(1,586 posts)In my opinion DU has take a move towards the middle over the years.
irisblue
(32,950 posts)irisblue
(32,950 posts)Not ever saw any cartoon and recognize a workplace, a friend?
George II
(67,782 posts)....not a debate in Congress.
irisblue
(32,950 posts)I get that many here do not like her and many love her. I like, alot, that she makes alot of right wing authoritarian republican males & some females very uncomfortable.
George II
(67,782 posts)....even before she first filed her Statement of Candidacy. For her to pretend that it is her in the drawing is, as we from New York would say, "chutzpah". That's all I'll say, but that's why so many in her District do not like her.
Link to tweet
irisblue
(32,950 posts)I got other things to do.
You need the last word?
Beartracks
(12,806 posts)==================================
Oh look, someone took a photo of what my Monday mornings are like teleworking from home each wk!
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So this image reminded me of my telework mornings because I'm tired, use a laptop, and wear glasses. In no way, however, would I think the photo "is about me." And if I posted it to social media, I would not expect anyone to think that I think the photo "is about me."
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thesquanderer
(11,982 posts)She KNOWS it's a drawing, not a photograph.
She KNOWS there's a difference between a committee and a company.
She KNOWS the cartoonist did not set out to make a cartoon about AOC in 2017.
She's saying "this image speaks to what I experience in my life."
And she said it in a way that was clever/amusing. At least for people who can look at things metaphorically and not strictly literally.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)she is only one of literally dozens, a freshman member too.
She sees herself as battling Republicans alone? That would be very strange...
The reality is that over half of that committee are the MAJORITY DEMOCRATS. And all the committee leaders are.
The big battle, the only one that matters, is between the majority Democrats and the Republicans.
Btw, it's not generally spoken of, but house reps tend to exercise group power within the caucus to serve their constituents by voting as state delegations, and maybe in the case of NYC as NYC reps united to achieve common goals for their giant city.
NOW, consider the picture, and the metaphor. And that she is supposed to serve her constituents, not deceive them.
jcgoldie
(11,623 posts)Reality is not EXACTLY like a metaphor in every aspect... OMG... silly AOC! SHame on her! Good grief.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)You might want to look up her committees in order to evaluate how she sees herself, but here's a start.
She's on two committees along with a number of other freshmen from her class, embarked on years of learning a complex job from her experienced colleagues:
1. House Committee on Oversight and Reform, one of 24 Democrats chaired by powerful old pro Carolyn Maloney, and 17 Republicans.
2. House Committee on Financial Services, one of 34 Democrats chaired by powerful old pro Maxine Waters, and 26 Republicans.
Here's her govtrack.us file. As you'll see on the graph, she's not considered among the strongest liberals and leadership score's low. Of course: She's a freshman, no one should expect anything but that she be a good learner, hard worker, and do her best to represent her constituents.
Pus, if she is to lead anything someday she will have to learn to form alliances with the other members of the Democratic caucus (currently 235), who all strongly believe in their own ideals and goals. Two or three really won't do.
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/alexandria_ocasio_cortez/412804
George II
(67,782 posts)...was to have been built.
It's also Maloney's district where that big rally was held early in the year (the one across the street from the Queensbridge Houses, the largest public housing development in North America, which is 60% African American) Residents weren't advised of the rally nor were they invited.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)TENS OF THOUSANDS of jobs the Amazon headquarters was to create did she anticipate might be filled by (former) residents of Queensbridge Houses?
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I feel compelled to repeat (part of) something that I posted earlier. If one really wants to make a fair assessment of her accomplishments, we need look no further than the work being done by Sharice Davids (another freshman congressperson). She has two offices in her contiguous district, she's available and her staff is easy to reach, she has a list accomplishments (just visit her website) of things that are making a difference and improving the lives of her constituents. Ms. Davids toils away in relative obscurity. She doesn't seek the spotlight, she's not a jet-setter, she's not a reality game-show judge. She's also not one to trash her own party or smear party leadership. She understands the need to form alliances and to find common ground. She knows that progress is only made when compromise is part of the equation and that the "all or nothing" philosophy almost always results in having nothing... and sometimes even less that what you arrived with.
Anyone can type up a laundry list and wish list... but the real test of leadership and effectiveness is when we examine what it is that our representatives bring to the table, and what they're willing to do in order to make things happen.
thesquanderer
(11,982 posts)I think you're reading a lot more into this than there is.
She is saying of the picture: "what my life is like debating Republicans in committee" - a bunch of white males looking at a woman of color and questioning what it is she could possibly bring to the conversation.
I think that's a perfectly understandable sentiment. And that's the entirety of it. The other things you talked about have nothing to do with the picture nor how she titled it.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)https://www.foxnews.com/politics/aoc-raises-10-5-million-ahead-of-heated-june-23-primary
At least she's not relying on astro-turf funding from Republicans.
Please link your source for your statement that "so many in her district do not like her".
George II
(67,782 posts)A further look at the receipts indicates that 80% of her itemized contributions came from out of state, including billionaire money.
I remember back in 2018 when candidates were criticized for accepting "out of state" money, which was equated to "buying influence" (of course, that wasn't my feeling) Interesting how things change in a few short years.
BTW, I don't have a "link", I grew up in a neighborhood in Queens that at the time was part of the 14th District. I have friends and family in the 14th District (ALL Democrats, to ward off the questions) who have told me about the feelings of the constituents of the 14th.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)including billionaire money."
An even larger percent of the donations to her district campaign are so small that their origins don't have to be reported. And those were from special interests (i.e., NOT from her constituents), whoever they are, presumably also almost entirely from out of state.
All this money flooding in from outsiders who expect her to further THEIR goals is not how democracy is supposed to work.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)Impressive and well done
betsuni
(25,442 posts)by billionaires but to be funded by the people" would be very careful about this sort of thing.
Because if you really believe campaign contributions can make one corrupt, as AOC does, one should be authentic and passionate about grassroots and weeding out suspect money.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Who was Ocasio serving when she raised a hue and cry among her national supporters and lost her district the planned Amazon headquarters? Her local constituency, who would have benefited tremendously from the many, MANY thousands of new local jobs and influx of tax dollars?
Ocasio's distant donors, who lost nothing and cheered for whatever they imagined was gained? Arlington, VA gets Amazon and the tens of thousands of new jobs and tax revenue instead. Was that what they were cheering for? Or were they cheering what they saw as a "victory" for themselves and their representative?
We all know the answer. To put it mildly, this isn't how it's supposed to be.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....are NOT "useless", but thanks for the insult.
You can find all the available information on contributions here:
https://www.fec.gov/data/receipts/?committee_id=C00639591&two_year_transaction_period=2020&data_type=processed
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)simple a business, and far too well known to others, to ask someone to do for you.
What none of need to look up and really need to address is that we elect our representatives to represent us. A bunch of distant strangers who do NOT share our needs or even ideology in many cases should not be allowed to flood money in with the intention of making our representative theirs.
REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT! We need to strongly limit the amount of money any candidate for local office can raise from outsiders. If they can't get sufficient support from their own constituents, maybe they need to try harder to win it.
ramen
(789 posts)her 'worth' in a male-dominated environment? That's the message I took from the comic.. AOC has ample cause to see herself as one of those women.
obamanut2012
(26,049 posts)Bettie
(16,083 posts)but we're seeing that around here too. Something about her brings virulent hate even here though.
Apparently, she's "uppity" and "rising above her station".
live love laugh
(13,091 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)the experience of an obscure 29-year-old local activist/bartender, who was rocketed practically overnight to national stardom and several steps up the socioeconomic ladder to an elite position of power, reflective of women who have to constantly battle just for equality at their level?
Btw, the very powerful, Democratic chairmen of BOTH the committees she's assigned to are WOMEN. Those very redoubtable, high-ranking, powerful Democratic WOMEN are the people she needs to demonstrate her worth to if she wants the kind of assignments Katie Porter and Val Demings have earned by demonstrating consistent excellence.
ramen
(789 posts)can you elaborate on that? I want to make sure I'm not misunderstanding you.
When you say "2. Really?" : yes, I am being sincere that the comic seemed to be making that position simply, and with the utmost clarity. I'm eager to hear what you think the comic creator's point was if you are inclined to share.
3. I think AOC's post of this comic along with her commentary made clear that she does indeed identify with the roles portrayed in the comic. Unless you know her better than her, I think you lack the metrics to make this assertion accurately.. for me, all I can do is go on her word and actions, with are in line with each other on this. If your position is simply that she doesn't have the right to, I simply have to disagree with you. Her former bartending career does not change that for me.. can you list the professions that do get to legitimately have the experience indicated by the comic without fear of internet scorn?
treestar
(82,383 posts)Supposedly strong, right, not a victim? Defeated a male candidate who was too much of a "centrist?"
ramen
(789 posts)It doesn't seem one to me. Regarding her previous opponent in that race, he was fairly centrist, to my recollection, though not too "far center"for me, but I am unclear how this is about him.. where are you headed with this?
treestar
(82,383 posts)for a Congress member. Better to address on someone else's behalf. Like that Centrist Hillary might do, talking about statistics regarding wages, domestic violence, opportunities for ordinary people not so powerful as to be in Congress. I referenced AOC's defeat because that was a big one to pull off, right? He had been in office for years. That shows how strong she is.
ramen
(789 posts)Do you also find the congresswoman uppity and think she should wait her turn and stay in her lane?
TeamPooka
(24,216 posts)of course.
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spanone
(135,802 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Covid victim's families pay for funerals. Trump ordered FEMA not to. 30+ states have petitioned to them and they don't even respond. They received $45b!
PTWB
(4,131 posts)She even makes some of the more middle-of-the-road Democrats right here uncomfortable!
Go, AOC, go!
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)minority status. (most, I cant speak for all obviously)
It has to do with what I will call the "Bernie train."
Right or wrong she is seen as part of his movement, the progressive movement that at times seems not to care if their actions threaten losing a seat to the R party by opposing mainstream Democrats with more progressive people, who most of which I dont think would choose to be Democrats if they could choose but do so for obvious reasons, two party system, etc.
Personally, I was for UHC and much more long before AOC was (because of her age and mine) and for that matter I have advocated for far more socialism than even Bernie, but I am also a realist and know what can and cant happen.
I dont know what she will do, but I will support her as long as she acknowledges we have a TWO PARTY system and like it or not you have to be in the D party and cooperate with them because if you dont the R's or what I will now call the FASCISTS win.
I would love to see her become a slightly more liberal version of Nancy Pelosi, but she has a lot to learn first, but she surely can do this if she wants, she clearly has all the qualifications. I would love to have Senate Majority Leader AOC or Speaker AOC and passing UHC law and other laws shoring up SS and Medicare and guaranteeing all minority rights and on and on.
Hell yes! I am all for it!
still_one
(92,110 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)In this era, we're either fighting the rise of RW kleptocracy and authoritarian control, or we're enabling it. There's no center position to take between government of, by and for the people or by ruling cabal. There's no separate farther left ground where political actions can magically not empower one side or the other.
And for most of us there's no place to go if we lose. A few will be able to prosper as members of the ruling side. But most of us would live on in a fallen democracy where all the goals Ocasio says she believes in were lost to us, for the foreseeable future and perhaps for the rest of her life. And where all those people currently in the streets would know to never challenge authority, never look police in the eyes.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Can't believe that poster accused DEMOCRATS of being uncomfortable with strong women or people of color.
treestar
(82,383 posts)The men in the cartoon are "uncomfortable" no?
And Democrats who oppose her - the discomfort is the Republicans won't win.
Can't believe you are accusing other Democrats of being not liking strong Democratic women. And added in they are a bit racist, too. Democrats.
iluvtennis
(19,843 posts)BarbD
(1,192 posts)Lulu KC
(2,565 posts)that there are people mocking her for posting this. I'm sure Nancy Pelosi feels the same way--and many other women. This is about feminism and I love it.
SaintLouisBlues
(1,244 posts)The majority on this site support her.
George II
(67,782 posts)still_one
(92,110 posts)are the same ones who are now hurling misogynistic charges against those critical of Rep Ocasio-Cortez?
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still_one
(92,110 posts)I don't watch faux, DO YOU?
Did you have a problem when the sexist, vile slurs against Hillary were thrown out?
Lulu KC
(2,565 posts)Not sure if you were addressing me or the person whose post was removed, but yes, of course. Why ask?
still_one
(92,110 posts)a racist and sexist motive on those who detract from Ocasio-Cortez, which has more to do with historical considerations on Rep Ocasio-Cortez toward what she characterizes as "establishment" Democrats.
The post I was responding to got removed, and I don't recall what was said
Lulu KC
(2,565 posts)Thanks!
still_one
(92,110 posts)with it, but it is the sparing that periodically goes on, as someone alluded to between those that supported Bernie and those that didn't.
There is nothing she said that was offensive, and everyone should be supportive of that message
Bettie
(16,083 posts)understands this on a very personal level.
I know I do.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Which tells me all i need to know about who's taking issue with her tweet.
questionseverything
(9,646 posts)and a couple I can see make me think it is time to mute them too
sigh
demmiblue
(36,833 posts)demmiblue
(36,833 posts)theaocp
(4,235 posts)Yup. I can't see quite a few.
treestar
(82,383 posts)A powerful woman. Not a victim.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)In Suits.
She's direct, alone and not in male armor.
I love this woman.
Celerity
(43,246 posts)burrowowl
(17,636 posts)still_one
(92,110 posts)but I am disappointed that there are some comments inferring that those on DU who are critical of it, or of Rep Ocasio-Cortez, must be racist or sexist.
That is really uncalled for
tiredtoo
(2,949 posts)tell me i have been right all along about the division in the Democratic party and the division in Democratic Underground. Sad!
Celerity
(43,246 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,311 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)And there are many female congress members now, so how many all male committees are there?