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(52,328 posts)
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 08:08 PM Jun 2020

"An employer who discriminates against homosexual or transgender employees necessarily...

... and intentionally applies sex-based rules."

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/19pdf/17-1618_hfci.pdf

i am absolutely gobsmacked by the simplicity of gorsuch's bostock opinion. you can't discriminate against homosexual or transgender people without taking sex into account, and title vii says you can't take sex into account in employment decisions, full stop.


no pretending that it's about a lifestyle or choice. gorsuch explicitly shot down the idea that discriminating against gay men and lesbians equally somehow doesn't take sex into account. no pretending that there needs to be some balance with an employer's exalted right to practice bigotry.

simple.

if you're discriminating against lgbtq, you're discriminating on the basis of sex, and title vii says you can't do that.

he even noted that this probably wasn't the original intent -- that the drafters of title vii weren't thinking about homosexual or transgender employees. but the language they drafted prevented taking sex into account in employment decisions, and by the above logic, this covers homosexual and transgender employees as well.


i'm simply amazed that this came from gorsuch.

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"An employer who discriminates against homosexual or transgender employees necessarily... (Original Post) unblock Jun 2020 OP
Yup. I'm amazed AND thrilled! CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2020 #1
It's wonderful. leftieNanner Jun 2020 #2
I'll Admit To Being Shocked ProfessorGAC Jun 2020 #3
LOL ... "conservatives" Iggo Jun 2020 #7
What Gorsuch said. It always seemed quite obvious to me. Walleye Jun 2020 #4
Sally is fired for wanting Louise but Bob is not. That is only because Saly is female. Cicada Jun 2020 #5
I can't tell you how many arguments I've had over the years unblock Jun 2020 #6

leftieNanner

(15,155 posts)
2. It's wonderful.
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 08:14 PM
Jun 2020

Mikey Pence must be squirming today.

Do you think some of those deeply closeted men in Congress might feel more comfortable to come out?

Nah. I didn't think so.

This is such great news. I hope Justice Gorsuch continues to surprise us.

ProfessorGAC

(65,192 posts)
3. I'll Admit To Being Shocked
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 08:15 PM
Jun 2020

Especially with a 6-3 vote.
But, it's shocked in a good way.
All those conservatives who can't just mind their own business have a sad today.
That pleases me.

Iggo

(47,568 posts)
7. LOL ... "conservatives"
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 09:16 PM
Jun 2020

I remember when you could get a conservative to mind his own business. 😂😂😂

Walleye

(31,057 posts)
4. What Gorsuch said. It always seemed quite obvious to me.
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 08:19 PM
Jun 2020

It’s about what sex a person is. Not a lifestyle

unblock

(52,328 posts)
6. I can't tell you how many arguments I've had over the years
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 09:01 PM
Jun 2020

with right-wingers who insist that because they'd also fire bob for wanting john, that Sally's sex has nothing to do with it.

I guess it makes sense if you start from the conclusion and search for any flimsy excuse.

But it still galled me that they'd even care. I mean seriously, why fire a perfectly good employee from a Monday through Friday job based on who they lust after or date on Saturday night.

How many jobs are there where being straight or cis actually helps do the job better? I can't think of any.

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