It seems like trump is going to be the reason for a leftward shift in America

[captain queeg]

It’s going to be amusing when by the end of his term he’ll be known as the cause of a seismic shift in US politics. As painful as it’s been maybe it’ll be worth it. Unbridled greed and racism are finally being shown as the destructive forces they are. One can hope.

[Squinch]

1. I was just thinking this as I made the coffee this morning.

Even his own trolling SC judge doesn't want to follow him over the cliff.

[soothsayer]

2. Hey, maybe he WAS appointed by God

[mountain grammy]

42. Maybe?

Nah.

[sunonmars]

3. Trump does not believe half the stuff he shouts, its theatre to hold power over the loons

I mean he just accepted the SC gay rights decision with no question, normally he screams and shouts and blows hard.

His loon supporters went nuts after this saying whats up, he is just accepting this...........They are beginning to wonder if their messiah really believes the stuff they do.

When you play dictator but don't believe it, its a hard fall down when you get rumbled.

[Maraya1969]

4. So maybe Trump is Making America Great Again?

[honest.abe]

5. There is still that pesky 30-35% of the population who will never shift.

In fact they will likely dig in even more.

[lagomorph777]

15. But they will no longer have 65% of the power.

So fuck 'em.

[honest.abe]

16. I totally understand what you are saying but..

this is a very large group of individuals who can have a big impact on future politics so saying that "America" will dramatically swing left is very unlikely until that group of individuals is reduced to much smaller percent.

[lagomorph777]

17. When the power swings, the country changes how it operates.

Even if an idiotic minority doesn't like it.

[honest.abe]

18. Yes but it will be difficult to get any meaningful legislation passed.

The Senate Republicans will continue to vote lockstep as long as they fear they might get primaried by the idiots in their party.

I will be thrilled to get rid of Trump but we still have a a lot of work to do to repair this country.

[lagomorph777]

19. That's why we need to flip the Senate.

Then thugs can go fuck themselves.

[honest.abe]

20. That will help tremendously but they can still filibuster with a minority.

[lagomorph777]

21. Only if we choose to let them by continuing the filibuster.

[honest.abe]

22. That would be a game changer if possible.

I hope they can pull that off.

[rpannier]

44. Bright side on that group

They are the ones at the rallies
They're the ones that will get sick
and maybe they'll be the ones that leave this world earlier than they anticipated
Kind of like a rapture
Only, I'm the one that shouts "Hallelujah"

[Dustlawyer]

6. The sad, ironic thing is that Republicans have protected Trump to ensure their re-election.

In the end he will bring them all down, and at a heavy cost in lives, property, our standing in the world...

[Salviati]

31. If only they could have forseen it....

... Oh wait they did. And they did it anyway, and continue to lick his boots.

Link to tweet

If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed.......and we will deserve it.
-Lindsey Graham


What does putin have on these people anyway?

[mountain grammy]

43. They do seem to have staying power however ,

maybe it's the $$$$?

[Roc2020]

8. Not so fast. I heard the same

after Obama won. That the GOP is dead. Lesson..never underestimate the conservative right. VOTE!

[Proud Liberal Dem]

10. Exactly

A lot of people rested on their laurels once Obama got elected and the Republican Tea Party bolted in and took over the GOP is fairly short order and we had to deal with them nipping at Obama's heels for the rest of his Presidency and kept him from getting a lot of stuff done. People need to GOTV every.single.election if we want sustained progressive change in this country. We can't show up once every 4 years and expect one person to bear the burden of pushing through long-term progressive change. We need to do what the Republicans were doing for decades to get to their place of dominance, but we have to do it the smart and honest way, of course.

[Roc2020]

11. aye aye!

[Proud Liberal Dem]

9. I hope that it will have all been worth it

As always, we (Americans) seem to have to get kicked hard enough and over a long enough period of time before we finally get things right. I hope that some people don't see a massive repudiation of Trump, though, as some kind of validation of their decision to refuse to vote for Hillary or their Third Party-votes as some kind of misguided plan to usher in a "revolution".

[NNadir]

12. This is like saying that brain surgery is good for the brain.

You have brain surgery because there is a problem with your brain, not because you want to improve it.

Trump has caused severe damage to our country which will be very difficult to reverse.

He has totally destroyed our polity, our international standing, our economy and our health. He has created an environment in which racism, deliberate ignorance, and disrespect for the law thrive.

There is nothing amusing about it.

[Yeehah]

13. I thought this would happen with AWOL Bush

But Bush had intelligent (but evil) people around him.

Trump has surrounded himself with idiot family members and other stooges.

[LiberalLovinLug]

14. So Sarandon was correct?

Ha ha. I'm going to get flamed for that.

I never supported her refusal to vote Democratic last election, but I also thought her one vote, and the Greens 1% was greatly overblown.

But like Bill Maher took on the wrath of many and had to leave ABC because he made the simple point that it took balls to fly a plane into a building. A clumsy attempt maybe to make a point that this breed of terrorist were NOT cowards, and thus were more of a threat, this one particular point Sarandon made is turning out correct.

One may not like Sarandon's critique of the Democratic party, and think she is too radically left, but you have to grudgingly accept that she may be right about waking up more people, and get more engaged, and turn against not just Trump but the Republican agenda.

disclaimer: Yes, I would have rather had Hillary have won. Way too much damage done to be worth that one positive.

But in an alternative universe, we may now be looking at Trump's first term starting next January. After 4 years of constant lies and attacks against President H. Clinton, probably also an impeachment attempt. The right would be very fired up, and Hillary may have lost the left wing of the party as well depending on how corporate friendly or progressive her legislation was. We could be looking forward to only the beginning of the Trump era coming soon, rather than, hopefully its end. Including a real life experience of the consequences of voting in another demagogue like that. Maybe even the press learned a few things.

Okay I'll stop now

[robbob]

23. Ha! Better you then me!

I was going to post the exact same comment and then prepare to be flamed, but after your eloquent and reasoned explanation I think you are safe.

[LiberalLovinLug]

37. Ha. Thanks, I think

[zipplewrath]

24. Alot to upack here

She wasn't "right" in the sense that it wasn't "worth it" to have HRC lose the election and the country to suffer through the last 3.5 years. It was entirely predictable that Trump winning would cause a shift left. But there are a 100,000 people who are sorry he was elected.

And Biden should expect a shift right if he is elected.

[LisaM]

34. Closer to 120,000 at the moment, zeroing in on 200K.

That's pretty scorched earth, if you ask me. And look at the environmental regulations Trump is undoing.

Susan Sarandon was wrong. She remains wrong. 200,000 people dead from COVID is not a win.

[rpannier]

45. Not so sure

Reagan's presidency the country shifted reich... right... and continued to do so
Sometimes failure, like trump's and hoover's, bring about long term shifts
Though, have to admit, people who supported Hoover (or didn't like Roosevelt) were generally smarter than douche's supporters, as some of them came around

[Cha]

25. Sarandon LIED.. that's what you call her "critique".. she Fucking

LIED about Hillary.. and so did Stein, Sirota, & BJG. And, they all Lost!

Joe Biden is the Winner.. and Yes he is the Left.

[honest.abe]

26. Trump has stained this country that will last for decades.

The most damaging is SCOTUS and other federal judges he has appointed. It was not worth it, even if we win and begin to go left.

[Blasphemer]

27. Sarandon's version of moving left is not what is happening so far

This isn't Bernie revolution - at least not so far. It is a socially liberal awakening NOT an economically liberal one. So, it's not a socialist revolution, which is what I imagine they were predicting. Most of my ardent pro-Bernie, pro-Sarandon friends have been pretty quiet about all of this. The capitalists are getting woke, too.

[LiberalLovinLug]

36. You are correct.

I think this would have been the perfect storm for someone like Sanders to run for office. I think he had just as much chance as Biden against Trump, especially now, and he could have really helped channel that awakening towards economic justice as well as social justice. Breaking up big banks and monopolies, Wall Street regulations, and campaign finance reform as he would be riding in on individual donors and have no strings attached. But what is....is.

Trump has done so much damage, and I'm sure will continue to even if not elected. His cult will go on. Sarandon was wrong in that she underestimated the damage that could be done in one term of Trump. And that it will take a full term at least just to undo that damage and some things may never recover, especially if the actual fake news is allowed to still propagate. Which is why even though I really wanted what Sanders and Warren would have brought, and the youth and new energy and ideas, once Hillary won the nomination, it was all hands on deck for her. The same goes for Biden.

There is also more reason this time to hope for change from within, AOC and the squad as well as others. And less a fear of M4A than last time. At least some version of it, is more palatable. Bernie won't get his revolution (unfortunately IMO) but he has inspired a new generation that will take the status quo to task more. Partly because the Republican party is now so wrapped around Trumpism and it will be difficult to disengage from his deplorables base, Democrats can use that space to move forward more on more progressive policies. At least that's what I'm hoping.

[captain queeg]

30. I remember when Bill Mahar said that and it cost him his show

But his point was true. Rather than firing some cruise missiles from 100 miles away those guys followed thru with personal sacrifice. Not supporting them in any way, just pointing out the truth of the statement and the reaction to it.

[G_j]

28. It's up to you, and I and everyone

to make that happen. Lives in balance.

[Awsi Dooger]

29. Mortality plays a role and also political imprinting

The Silent Generation is heavily Republican and has been all their lives, since many of them came of voting age during Eisenhower. Every cycle the Silent Generation has less influence at the polls.

Also, young voters who came of age during Bush/Obama/Trump will slowly become more dependable at the polls. Partisanship is linked with popularity of the president when you turned 18, or when you voted for the first time. Bush 43 was unpopular during his second term so those voters will lean Democratic. Obama never had sustained high approval but those voters will tilt slightly blue. Trump has had miserable approval ratings for 3.5 years so this newly 18 group will hold a big blue slant, although it won't have much electoral impact for another decade or two.

Definitely positive trend overall

[Mr.Bill]

32. I see it as a pendulum swinging.

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And the harder it swings in one direction, the harder it will swing in the other. And lets face it, for the Trump fans, we swung it pretty damn hard when we elected a black man. Same thing will happen when we elect a woman. I think the hard swinging began in modern times with Nixon.

Biden is a dampening of this swinging. If we were to elect, say a black woman or a radical socialist, the republican that succeeds her or him will make Trump look like Eisenhower.

The other possibility is that Trump has been such a disaster, that neither party will run a far right or left candidate for a long, long time.

Interesting times indeed. All things considered, I'm quite happy with the time I arrived on Earth, which was 1953.

[Awsi Dooger]

33. If Trump loses it will be interesting to see how the GOP reacts in 2024

I think normalcy is out the window for them. The nominee will be one nutcase after another, to the point the country becomes conditioned to it. Heck, it has partially happened already.

[Mr.Bill]

35. That's quite possible.

But I think a successful Biden presidency with peace and prosperity may be the new age for the moderate candidate. I guarantee you a lot of republicans wish they had nominated Jeb Bush instead of Trump.

[Cosmocat]

38. This is accurate except the swings are not equal

We lose ground every time - Rs run hard and fast, push to the point of a blowback to get the out of power, but Ds run to the middle.

The backlash to Iraq and the tax cuts/deficit got us the big 2006 mid term and BHO. We got a decent banking reform bill that has been mostly tore apart and the REPUBLICAN version of health care reform, which has been decimated.

They elected the chaos king and have pretty much deconstructed the entire federal government, tore into the environment, regulations, etc.

We would need decades in power to get back to where things were when he was foisted on us and we will only get a few years until they gin up another tea party or Maga to get power again.

[Mr.Bill]

39. Well, I was looking farther into the past than that.

But okay. Keep in mind that to them, we elected a draft-dodging serial rapist, then a black, born in Kenya homosexual drug addict who is married to a trans-gender gorilla.

I see Trump the same way you do, but to them he was sent by God to lead this nation.

[Cosmocat]

41. Thats the point

the guy they viewed as a kenyan married to a gorilla was in fact an incredibly capable, decent and honorable man, the guy who we see as a raging sociopathic russian asset who They view as a brilliant patriotic man of gof is a raging sociopathic russian asset.

They get to both hyperbolicly negatively frame us and hyperbolicly positively frame themselves.

[Nitram]

40. Ya got love the irony of Dump contributing to The Cause.