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Desperate for victory after watching the presidential nomination slip through their fingers, progressives have found a new cause to rally around.
Across the country, theyre channeling their grief, volunteer muscle and small-dollar donations into Jamaal Bowman, a left-wing candidate in New York trying to oust decades-long incumbent Congressman Eliot Engel.
Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, all of whom have shown caution in the past about backing primary challengers to incumbent Democrats, have endorsed Bowman. Justice Democrats and the Working Families Party, two left-wing groups that took different paths during the presidential race, announced they are coming together to spend more than a half-million dollars to elect Bowman. Former aides to Sanders and Warren have also publicly lined up behind Bowman.
The all-hands-on-deck strategy is a striking show of unity after the presidential campaign ended with deep rifts on the left and its had a catalytic effect on Bowmans bid in the run-up to the June 23 primary. But their efforts have also exposed party fissures, spurring Democratic establishment powerhouses such as Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi and Jim Clyburn to throw their support behind Engel.
What is that left phrase? We just need a win, said Andom Ghebreghiorgis, another progressive candidate who challenged Engel this year but recently dropped out and endorsed Bowman. People are investing a lot emotionally in this race because they see it as a down-ballot race where the policies of a Bernie, for example, which werent able to achieve victory on a national level, can at least be achieved on a congressional level.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/16/eliot-engel-progressives-election-324102
elleng
(130,864 posts)A GOOD idea???
RandySF
(58,755 posts)Dems must fight with eachother?
Demonaut
(8,914 posts)Thekaspervote
(32,754 posts)Do they ever stop to think its just not what the majority wants??!! Hello...anybody listening??!!
Hillary, Schiff, Lewis and other big guns backing Engel. My money goes with them
DenverJared
(457 posts)powered by Cenk Uygur et al
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)Sour grapes is exactly what this sounds like. Forcing some worn out talking points that have been voted down over and over. Voters have it figured out. Most know Republicans are the problem.
mahina
(17,642 posts)msongs
(67,394 posts)TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)get rid of our Trump-sucking congressman?
Nooo... that would mean actual work and the damn good chance that the Bernisto would get tossed out on his ass in the first round. Then they just walk away.
msongs
(67,394 posts)R B Garr
(16,950 posts)as if were all supposed to be so enthralled with their negative ideations about Democrats.
Attacking Republicans seems to be too much work for them.
crickets
(25,962 posts)liskddksil
(2,753 posts)with Iran does not fully represent the values of a safe Democratic seat.
madville
(7,408 posts)Engel voted for the Iraq War, appears at pro-Israel events, and just recently he came to a Floyd rally to speak and said "If I didn't have a primary, I wouldn't care"???? WTF?
Squinch
(50,944 posts)voted for the Iraq War, there is nothing wrong with attending Jewish events, especially when you are a Jew yourself, and that comment was taken out of context. He was asking for a speaking slot on a crowded platform and was saying that he wouldn't ask for the favor if he didn't have a primary coming.
It's like the ad that says he wasn't home during Covid. No. He wasn't home. He was getting funding to beef up our hospitals and to construct a field hospital and a field morgue that he knew we were going to need. And that went up in record time and helped us get through the worst of the virus.
He's great on climate, he was one of the first people to effectively call for impeachment, he is extremely active in protecting DACA status, and he does right by his constituents.
And replacing the Chair of the House Foreign Affairs committee with a middle school principal with no experience, NOW, is madness.
okaawhatever
(9,461 posts)liskddksil
(2,753 posts)made the world safer until Trump fu$#ed it up.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Marginal district primaries against incumbents are idiotic though.
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)It sounds like that's what many here want.
Is that what y'all want?
RandySF
(58,755 posts)RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)And in general on this board.
It really seems people do not like primary challenges.
I have no dog in the fight. If people think Engel no longer properly represents the district, so be it. It will go blue in November either way.
BeyondGeography
(39,369 posts)As long as youre a Dem you either go out feet first or when you decide to retire. Until then, hands off.
Seems to be a generally popular notion around here.
rusty fender
(3,428 posts)If the other party advocated for lifetime tenure, we would be losing or heads over how undemocratic that is
liskddksil
(2,753 posts)DFW
(54,341 posts)As an example......
liskddksil
(2,753 posts)in the long-term, but in the short-time primaries in situations where the Representative has become out of touch with the district.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)voters in the district wants. We will see whether Engel's district has changed to an extent where he loses his primary. If he wins, then THAT is what the majority of voters in his district wanted, or his opponent simply FAILED to make a compelling argument, and no amount of butthurt will change that.
You can be for things like a green new deal or Medicare care for all, but if voters don't follow or buy into your arguments, whose fault is that? It certainly is not voters fault.
BeyondGeography
(39,369 posts)You apparently dont, so good.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)a person should not serve 10, 15 or even more terms. That claim is bullshit, IMO, because voters decided to award that person those number of terms. So I am contesting people bringing the rightwing origin "term limits" into a discussion about a democrat that they apparently oppose.
If the voters in his district sees a sounder argument from him than his opponent, they will give him a primary win, if not, someone else will run against a republican in November, that is how it works, regardless of desires otherwise.
BeyondGeography
(39,369 posts)Its maybe the only thing Republicans do that we would do well to follow. But thats an entirely different conversation; you get to keep your seat, you just dont get the gavel in perpetuity.
No one here is talking strict term limits. You pulled that one out of very thin air.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)I rest my case.
Bettie
(16,089 posts)They hate primaries UNLESS the person in the seat is a young, progressive, woman of color. Then, they are all for it.
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)....its clear people want revenge or turnabout is fair play.
Again, if Democrats vote for someone over an incumbent in a primary in a safe D district, so be it.
Bettie
(16,089 posts)getting new people in every so often isn't a bad thing. New ideas aren't as scary as some folks seem to think.
Squinch
(50,944 posts)school principal is a win.
What is wrong with these people? Why can't they fight Republicans?
liskddksil
(2,753 posts)the war in Iraq and opposing the Obama/Biden nuclear deal with Iran.
Cha
(297,136 posts)liskddksil
(2,753 posts)in opposing, giving credibilty to the GOP.
Cha
(297,136 posts)Eliot Engel and know who he is.. are endorsing him.
I'm gonna go with their endorsements.. they know what Eliot Engel has done in Congress.
rusty fender
(3,428 posts)would be replacing him, right
liskddksil
(2,753 posts)rusty fender
(3,428 posts)are some DUers losing their shit over it
Bettie
(16,089 posts)have a voice! They have barely been given a shot at governing.
Cha
(297,136 posts)are endorsing Eliot Engel.. they've worked with him & know who he is.
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rusty fender
(3,428 posts)opposed to Democratic primaries, i.e., actual primaries wherein incumbents have actual opponents
Cha
(297,136 posts)jalan48
(13,856 posts)Squinch
(50,944 posts)middle school principal with no experience.
jalan48
(13,856 posts)being more intelligent.
Squinch
(50,944 posts)press, and I've seen the things he has done for his constituency over the years.
Cha
(297,136 posts)Link to tweet
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These Dem Leaders have worked with Eliot Engel and want him back.
jalan48
(13,856 posts)Cha
(297,136 posts)RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Middle school principal
Its very lol, bartender!!!
Is there any average job that doesnt get a sneer when running for Congress now?
Also, how does one gain experience without being elected first?
Squinch
(50,944 posts)to high office?
I can.
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Lets draw this up and put it in the Constitution if its that important to you.
ahoysrcsm
(787 posts)Can you answer your own question? OR are you just trolling the thread because you do not like the current incumbent?
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)The Democratic voters of the district will make up their minds who they choose to represent them.
I just think dismissing someone as a middle school principal is classist cheap shot bullshit. Its beneath us as Democrats. Especially when the incumbent was himself at one time a guidance counselor.
ahoysrcsm
(787 posts)But I think they got this.
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)....and Laura Ingraham who also think ones occupation is a handy pejorative.
ahoysrcsm
(787 posts)the Incumbent DEMOCRATIC candidate should be fine, why are we wasting time and money when the GOP is our enemy?
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)It seems we should eliminate them.
ahoysrcsm
(787 posts)Lets draw this up and put it in the Constitution if its that important to you.
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)I don't give a rat's ass what one's job is. If you've got a functioning brain, run.
DinahMoeHum
(21,783 posts)For starters, you actually join the party in your hometown and become a district leader/precinct captain/precinct committeeperson and learn the doings of the political process at the local level.
You also get to know the constituents in your district, usually by pounding the pavements and canvassing.
You might then decide to run for office.
You usually start at school board, library board, town council, city council, etc.
Then maybe for county positions.
Later on, you might try for state assembly or state senate.
Then you go federal.
IOW, most who reach the top of the mountain didn't fall there. They did the necessary homework of actually knowing their districts and their constituents.
#newrostrong
Cha
(297,136 posts)jalan48
(13,856 posts)Cha
(297,136 posts)DinahMoeHum
(21,783 posts)CD-16 is not a cookie-cutter version of CD-14 or CD-15 by a long shot. The demographics are different.
Plus. the "Justice Democrats" keep forgetting that moderate and conservative Democrats also vote, and more importantly, they show up to vote each and every time.
#newrostrong
panader0
(25,816 posts)But I don't know everything about this race.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)In a safe blue district. The drama over it is ridiculous. I'd be more concerned about the Republicans running as Democrats against AOC and the other NY district. And where's the outrage over Kennedy trying to oust solid liberal Markey in MA?
Gothmog
(145,126 posts)Link to tweet
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melman
(7,681 posts)New York Representative Eliot Engel was overheard on a hot mic Tuesday saying that he "wouldn't care" about speaking at an event about recent protests in New York City if he didn't have a primary coming up. His opponent in that primary tells CBSN the comment "captures everything that is wrong with too many in Washington."
Local station News 12 captured Engel, a Democrat, making the comment at a press conference in the Bronx following another night of civil unrest following the death of George Floyd. In a clip posted on Twitter, Engel is seen talking to Bronx Borough President Ruben Diaz Jr. about whether he'll be able to speak at the event. Diaz is heard telling Engel there's a "list" of planned speakers and there might be too many people.
"If I didn't have a primary, I wouldn't care," Engel says. When Diaz doesn't hear him, Engel says it again.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/eliot-engel-new-york-congressman-hot-mic-primary/
George II
(67,782 posts)...it to be. I'd give that to you but I've posted it a number of times on this site, so I'm sure you're seen it.
By the way, if that was so "horrible", why would Bronx Borough President Ruben Diaz Jr. endorse Representative Eliot Engel.
melman
(7,681 posts)If it's all that relevant and important as you make out, I'm sure you can find the energy to post it one more time.
George II
(67,782 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)Nor do I give a shit about it. Post it or don't. I don't care.
George II
(67,782 posts)OnDoutside
(19,953 posts)pnwmom
(108,975 posts)Progressive Punch says over the last year he's had a 97% progressive score on crucial votes, and a 99% overall.
http://www.progressivepunch.org/scores.htm?x=0&y=0&house=house&party=D&sort=crucial-lifetime&order=down
George II
(67,782 posts)#11 for the current session (2019-2020) for crucial votes
#9 for the current session (2019-2020) overall votes
WAY above some of the Representatives touted as the new wave of "progressive" legislators to which he's being compared.
Pramila Jayapal - #21 on crucial votes, #23 overall
Ro Khanna - #23 on crucial votes, #38 overall
Rashida Tlaib - #23 on crucial votes, #134 overall
Ilhan Omar - #43 on crucial votes, #164 overall
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez - #23 on crucial votes, #177 overall
But then again, Justice Democrats (who are behind the flurry of challengers) are taking shots just to get a win. This from the OP:
Across the country, theyre channeling their grief, volunteer muscle and small-dollar donations into Jamaal Bowman, a left-wing candidate in New York trying to oust decades-long incumbent Congressman Eliot Engel.