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RandySF

(58,755 posts)
Tue Jun 16, 2020, 11:24 PM Jun 2020

NY-16: 'We just need a win': The left unites to take down Eliot Engel

Desperate for victory after watching the presidential nomination slip through their fingers, progressives have found a new cause to rally around.

Across the country, they’re channeling their grief, volunteer muscle and small-dollar donations into Jamaal Bowman, a left-wing candidate in New York trying to oust decades-long incumbent Congressman Eliot Engel.

Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, all of whom have shown caution in the past about backing primary challengers to incumbent Democrats, have endorsed Bowman. Justice Democrats and the Working Families Party, two left-wing groups that took different paths during the presidential race, announced they are coming together to spend more than a half-million dollars to elect Bowman. Former aides to Sanders and Warren have also publicly lined up behind Bowman.

The all-hands-on-deck strategy is a striking show of unity after the presidential campaign ended with deep rifts on the left — and it’s had a catalytic effect on Bowman’s bid in the run-up to the June 23 primary. But their efforts have also exposed party fissures, spurring Democratic establishment powerhouses such as Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi and Jim Clyburn to throw their support behind Engel.

“What is that left phrase? We just need a win,” said Andom Ghebreghiorgis, another progressive candidate who challenged Engel this year but recently dropped out and endorsed Bowman. “People are investing a lot emotionally in this race because they see it as a down-ballot race where the policies of a Bernie, for example, which weren’t able to achieve victory on a national level, can at least be achieved on a congressional level.”



https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/16/eliot-engel-progressives-election-324102

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NY-16: 'We just need a win': The left unites to take down Eliot Engel (Original Post) RandySF Jun 2020 OP
Dems MUST fight with eachother? elleng Jun 2020 #1
I's a deep blue district. RandySF Jun 2020 #2
I know. elleng Jun 2020 #4
it's complicated Demonaut Jun 2020 #38
Sharice Davids and 18 others for starters. All challenged by this group..none won Thekaspervote Jun 2020 #3
Stupid mentality DenverJared Jun 2020 #53
"channeling their grief" R B Garr Jun 2020 #5
Politico shouldn't be considered any better a source than Fox mahina Jun 2020 #6
if fox won't hire u there's always politico nt msongs Jun 2020 #7
They keep pulling this shit in deep blue districts-- why not come out here and help us... TreasonousBastard Jun 2020 #8
challenge the enemy vs sabotage a friend nt msongs Jun 2020 #9
Exactly, and they want to undermine without being criticized, R B Garr Jun 2020 #14
+1 crickets Jun 2020 #18
Because supporting the war in Iraq and opposing the Obama/Biden nuclear deal liskddksil Jun 2020 #26
Primaries are healthy for the party madville Jun 2020 #10
And this is how we eat our own. Though I wish they didn't, almost everyone Squinch Jun 2020 #13
Absolutely Nt okaawhatever Jun 2020 #17
and did not support the Obama/Biden nuclear deal with Iran that liskddksil Jun 2020 #25
Safe blue districts is where they SHOULD be happening ibegurpard Jun 2020 #57
Maybe we should eliminate primaries involving incumbants RhodeIslandOne Jun 2020 #11
No,.Did I leave that impression? RandySF Jun 2020 #15
I'm talking about half the folks replying RhodeIslandOne Jun 2020 #16
Yes, let's be the lifetime tenure party BeyondGeography Jun 2020 #19
True rusty fender Jun 2020 #20
32 years is too much for anyone nt liskddksil Jun 2020 #24
Like Nancy Pelosi? DFW Jun 2020 #76
Yes, in my personal opinion. I support term-limits liskddksil Jun 2020 #81
How about this. A candidate keeps wining because he or she is what Blue_true Jun 2020 #51
You're describing a contested primary, many here resent that there even is one BeyondGeography Jun 2020 #52
No, I am contesting the claim by you and a couple others that Blue_true Jun 2020 #69
Committee chairs should have term limits BeyondGeography Jun 2020 #70
I will let others that want to read what was posted about terms. Blue_true Jun 2020 #71
You know what's really funny about that? Bettie Jun 2020 #32
If you're talking about AOC.... RhodeIslandOne Jun 2020 #34
And part of our system is primaries Bettie Jun 2020 #36
Idiots think replacing the Chair of the House Foreign Affairs Committe with a middle Squinch Jun 2020 #12
Engel's foreign policy record is pretty troubling particular in supporting liskddksil Jun 2020 #22
These Democratic Leaders are Endorsing Eliot Engel.. many have worked with him & want him Back! Cha Jun 2020 #42
This literally has nothing to do with the Iran nuclear deal that Engel showed terrible judgement liskddksil Jun 2020 #46
So ignore that these Dem Leaders who have worked with Cha Jun 2020 #47
A Democratic House member rusty fender Jun 2020 #21
Yes, it is a safe Dem seat nt liskddksil Jun 2020 #23
Exactly, so why rusty fender Jun 2020 #27
Because they have to ensure that the older white men Bettie Jun 2020 #33
Oh rusty fender.. no one is "losing their shit over it" as you say.. these Dem Leaders are Cha Jun 2020 #43
Apparently you are not rusty fender Jun 2020 #61
I love it when Democratic Leaders like Adam Schiff Endorse Eliot Engel. Cha Jun 2020 #65
Conservatives resist change. jalan48 Jun 2020 #28
Intelligent people resist replacing someone who is getting things done with a Squinch Jun 2020 #29
Elitists think they know what's best for the masses, especially because they view themselves as jalan48 Jun 2020 #30
Or maybe I've been in the community meetings where Engel showed up in the absence of Squinch Jun 2020 #31
Now you're Bashing Dem Leaders with that stale "elitist"? You're calling Aurelia Greene "elitist"? Cha Jun 2020 #45
I'm sure they do. Status quo or nothing! jalan48 Jun 2020 #49
lol.. all you have are these tired insults for our Democratic Leaders. Cha Jun 2020 #50
You keep throwing that around like an insult RhodeIslandOne Jun 2020 #35
Can you think of any current examples that prove the disaster of electing rank amateurs Squinch Jun 2020 #37
What should be the minimum required occupation to get elected to Congress? RhodeIslandOne Jun 2020 #39
As you seem to be so concerned about minimum requirements to hold office... ahoysrcsm Jun 2020 #54
I stated I have no dog in the fight RhodeIslandOne Jun 2020 #55
Thanks for the concern trolling. ahoysrcsm Jun 2020 #58
I'm sorry I think we should be above twerps like Ben Shapiro... RhodeIslandOne Jun 2020 #59
Never listened to them so I wouldn't know what they have to say... ahoysrcsm Jun 2020 #74
Why do we have primaries then if we have an incumbent holding the seat? RhodeIslandOne Jun 2020 #75
Quit trolling. You still haven't answered your own question. ahoysrcsm Jun 2020 #77
Unemployed for all I care. RhodeIslandOne Jun 2020 #82
In answer to your last question. . . DinahMoeHum Jun 2020 #41
Who are you calling "conservatives" jalan? Cha Jun 2020 #44
Those who resist change. jalan48 Jun 2020 #72
No, you're Wrong, jalan. Adam Schiff is NOT a "Conservative". Cha Jun 2020 #73
I've said it before. It needs to be repeated. . . DinahMoeHum Jun 2020 #40
I think I'll go with Clyburn, Clinton and Pelosi. panader0 Jun 2020 #48
It's a primary ibegurpard Jun 2020 #56
Schumer endorses Engel Gothmog Jun 2020 #60
Engel: "If I didn't have a primary, I wouldn't care" melman Jun 2020 #62
Why don't you post the explanation of that few seconds long comment? It isn't what you'd like... George II Jun 2020 #63
I haven't seen it melman Jun 2020 #64
Well I've posted it three or four times, probably more, so I'm sure you saw it. George II Jun 2020 #66
I didn't melman Jun 2020 #67
If I posted something that was misleading or incorrect, I'd certainly care about the real story. George II Jun 2020 #68
Well said. OnDoutside Jun 2020 #78
Why are they going after Engel? pnwmom Jun 2020 #79
He's one of the top progressive Representatives in the House according to that site.... George II Jun 2020 #80

Thekaspervote

(32,754 posts)
3. Sharice Davids and 18 others for starters. All challenged by this group..none won
Tue Jun 16, 2020, 11:36 PM
Jun 2020

Do they ever stop to think it’s just not what the majority wants??!! Hello...anybody listening??!!

Hillary, Schiff, Lewis and other big guns backing Engel. My money goes with them

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
5. "channeling their grief"
Tue Jun 16, 2020, 11:40 PM
Jun 2020

Sour grapes is exactly what this sounds like. Forcing some worn out talking points that have been voted down over and over. Voters have it figured out. Most know Republicans are the problem.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
8. They keep pulling this shit in deep blue districts-- why not come out here and help us...
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 12:22 AM
Jun 2020

get rid of our Trump-sucking congressman?

Nooo... that would mean actual work and the damn good chance that the Bernisto would get tossed out on his ass in the first round. Then they just walk away.


R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
14. Exactly, and they want to undermine without being criticized,
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 08:49 AM
Jun 2020

as if we’re all supposed to be so enthralled with their negative ideations about Democrats.

Attacking Republicans seems to be too much work for them.

 

liskddksil

(2,753 posts)
26. Because supporting the war in Iraq and opposing the Obama/Biden nuclear deal
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 01:00 PM
Jun 2020

with Iran does not fully represent the values of a safe Democratic seat.

madville

(7,408 posts)
10. Primaries are healthy for the party
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 01:24 AM
Jun 2020

Engel voted for the Iraq War, appears at pro-Israel events, and just recently he came to a Floyd rally to speak and said "If I didn't have a primary, I wouldn't care"???? WTF?

Squinch

(50,944 posts)
13. And this is how we eat our own. Though I wish they didn't, almost everyone
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 06:19 AM
Jun 2020

voted for the Iraq War, there is nothing wrong with attending Jewish events, especially when you are a Jew yourself, and that comment was taken out of context. He was asking for a speaking slot on a crowded platform and was saying that he wouldn't ask for the favor if he didn't have a primary coming.

It's like the ad that says he wasn't home during Covid. No. He wasn't home. He was getting funding to beef up our hospitals and to construct a field hospital and a field morgue that he knew we were going to need. And that went up in record time and helped us get through the worst of the virus.

He's great on climate, he was one of the first people to effectively call for impeachment, he is extremely active in protecting DACA status, and he does right by his constituents.

And replacing the Chair of the House Foreign Affairs committee with a middle school principal with no experience, NOW, is madness.


 

liskddksil

(2,753 posts)
25. and did not support the Obama/Biden nuclear deal with Iran that
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 12:59 PM
Jun 2020

made the world safer until Trump fu$#ed it up.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
57. Safe blue districts is where they SHOULD be happening
Thu Jun 18, 2020, 05:06 AM
Jun 2020

Marginal district primaries against incumbents are idiotic though.

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
11. Maybe we should eliminate primaries involving incumbants
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 01:32 AM
Jun 2020

It sounds like that's what many here want.

Is that what y'all want?

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
16. I'm talking about half the folks replying
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 11:56 AM
Jun 2020

And in general on this board.

It really seems people do not like primary challenges.

I have no dog in the fight. If people think Engel no longer properly represents the district, so be it. It will go blue in November either way.

BeyondGeography

(39,369 posts)
19. Yes, let's be the lifetime tenure party
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 12:08 PM
Jun 2020

As long as you’re a Dem you either go out feet first or when you decide to retire. Until then, hands off.

Seems to be a generally popular notion around here.

 

rusty fender

(3,428 posts)
20. True
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 12:52 PM
Jun 2020

If the other party advocated for lifetime tenure, we would be losing or heads over how undemocratic that is

 

liskddksil

(2,753 posts)
81. Yes, in my personal opinion. I support term-limits
Fri Jun 19, 2020, 10:51 AM
Jun 2020

in the long-term, but in the short-time primaries in situations where the Representative has become out of touch with the district.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
51. How about this. A candidate keeps wining because he or she is what
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 11:59 PM
Jun 2020

voters in the district wants. We will see whether Engel's district has changed to an extent where he loses his primary. If he wins, then THAT is what the majority of voters in his district wanted, or his opponent simply FAILED to make a compelling argument, and no amount of butthurt will change that.

You can be for things like a green new deal or Medicare care for all, but if voters don't follow or buy into your arguments, whose fault is that? It certainly is not voters fault.

BeyondGeography

(39,369 posts)
52. You're describing a contested primary, many here resent that there even is one
Thu Jun 18, 2020, 12:33 AM
Jun 2020

You apparently don’t, so good.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
69. No, I am contesting the claim by you and a couple others that
Thu Jun 18, 2020, 04:56 PM
Jun 2020

a person should not serve 10, 15 or even more terms. That claim is bullshit, IMO, because voters decided to award that person those number of terms. So I am contesting people bringing the rightwing origin "term limits" into a discussion about a democrat that they apparently oppose.

If the voters in his district sees a sounder argument from him than his opponent, they will give him a primary win, if not, someone else will run against a republican in November, that is how it works, regardless of desires otherwise.

BeyondGeography

(39,369 posts)
70. Committee chairs should have term limits
Thu Jun 18, 2020, 05:16 PM
Jun 2020

It’s maybe the only thing Republicans do that we would do well to follow. But that’s an entirely different conversation; you get to keep your seat, you just don’t get the gavel in perpetuity.

No one here is talking strict term limits. You pulled that one out of very thin air.

Bettie

(16,089 posts)
32. You know what's really funny about that?
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 03:54 PM
Jun 2020

They hate primaries UNLESS the person in the seat is a young, progressive, woman of color. Then, they are all for it.

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
34. If you're talking about AOC....
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 05:12 PM
Jun 2020

....it’s clear people want revenge or “turnabout is fair play”.

Again, if Democrats vote for someone over an incumbent in a primary in a safe D district, so be it.

Bettie

(16,089 posts)
36. And part of our system is primaries
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 05:29 PM
Jun 2020

getting new people in every so often isn't a bad thing. New ideas aren't as scary as some folks seem to think.

Squinch

(50,944 posts)
12. Idiots think replacing the Chair of the House Foreign Affairs Committe with a middle
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 06:12 AM
Jun 2020

school principal is a win.

What is wrong with these people? Why can't they fight Republicans?

 

liskddksil

(2,753 posts)
22. Engel's foreign policy record is pretty troubling particular in supporting
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 12:57 PM
Jun 2020

the war in Iraq and opposing the Obama/Biden nuclear deal with Iran.

 

liskddksil

(2,753 posts)
46. This literally has nothing to do with the Iran nuclear deal that Engel showed terrible judgement
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 08:37 PM
Jun 2020

in opposing, giving credibilty to the GOP.

Cha

(297,136 posts)
47. So ignore that these Dem Leaders who have worked with
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 08:41 PM
Jun 2020

Eliot Engel and know who he is.. are endorsing him.

I'm gonna go with their endorsements.. they know what Eliot Engel has done in Congress.

Bettie

(16,089 posts)
33. Because they have to ensure that the older white men
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 03:56 PM
Jun 2020

have a voice! They have barely been given a shot at governing.

Cha

(297,136 posts)
43. Oh rusty fender.. no one is "losing their shit over it" as you say.. these Dem Leaders are
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 08:29 PM
Jun 2020

are endorsing Eliot Engel.. they've worked with him & know who he is.








 

rusty fender

(3,428 posts)
61. Apparently you are not
Thu Jun 18, 2020, 01:31 PM
Jun 2020

opposed to Democratic primaries, i.e., actual primaries wherein incumbents have actual opponents

Squinch

(50,944 posts)
29. Intelligent people resist replacing someone who is getting things done with a
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 03:06 PM
Jun 2020

middle school principal with no experience.

jalan48

(13,856 posts)
30. Elitists think they know what's best for the masses, especially because they view themselves as
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 03:38 PM
Jun 2020

being more intelligent.

Squinch

(50,944 posts)
31. Or maybe I've been in the community meetings where Engel showed up in the absence of
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 03:41 PM
Jun 2020

press, and I've seen the things he has done for his constituency over the years.

Cha

(297,136 posts)
45. Now you're Bashing Dem Leaders with that stale "elitist"? You're calling Aurelia Greene "elitist"?
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 08:35 PM
Jun 2020








These Dem Leaders have worked with Eliot Engel and want him back.
 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
35. You keep throwing that around like an insult
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 05:15 PM
Jun 2020

“Middle school principal”

It’s very “lol, bartender!!!”

Is there any “average job” that doesn’t get a sneer when running for Congress now?

Also, how does one gain experience without being elected first?

Squinch

(50,944 posts)
37. Can you think of any current examples that prove the disaster of electing rank amateurs
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 06:38 PM
Jun 2020

to high office?

I can.

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
39. What should be the minimum required occupation to get elected to Congress?
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 06:46 PM
Jun 2020

Let’s draw this up and put it in the Constitution if it’s that important to you.

ahoysrcsm

(787 posts)
54. As you seem to be so concerned about minimum requirements to hold office...
Thu Jun 18, 2020, 04:41 AM
Jun 2020

Can you answer your own question? OR are you just trolling the thread because you do not like the current incumbent?

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
55. I stated I have no dog in the fight
Thu Jun 18, 2020, 04:56 AM
Jun 2020

The Democratic voters of the district will make up their minds who they choose to represent them.

I just think dismissing someone as a “middle school principal” is classist cheap shot bullshit. It’s beneath us as Democrats. Especially when the incumbent was himself at one time a guidance counselor.

ahoysrcsm

(787 posts)
58. Thanks for the concern trolling.
Thu Jun 18, 2020, 05:20 AM
Jun 2020
I just think dismissing someone as a “middle school principal” is classist cheap shot bullshit. It’s beneath us as Democrats. Especially when the incumbent was himself at one time a guidance counselor.


But I think they got this.
 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
59. I'm sorry I think we should be above twerps like Ben Shapiro...
Thu Jun 18, 2020, 05:41 AM
Jun 2020

....and Laura Ingraham who also think one’s occupation is a handy pejorative.

ahoysrcsm

(787 posts)
74. Never listened to them so I wouldn't know what they have to say...
Thu Jun 18, 2020, 10:30 PM
Jun 2020

the Incumbent DEMOCRATIC candidate should be fine, why are we wasting time and money when the GOP is our enemy?

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
75. Why do we have primaries then if we have an incumbent holding the seat?
Fri Jun 19, 2020, 12:26 AM
Jun 2020

It seems we should eliminate them.

ahoysrcsm

(787 posts)
77. Quit trolling. You still haven't answered your own question.
Fri Jun 19, 2020, 05:02 AM
Jun 2020
What should be the minimum required occupation to get elected to Congress?

Let’s draw this up and put it in the Constitution if it’s that important to you.
 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
82. Unemployed for all I care.
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 01:46 AM
Jun 2020

I don't give a rat's ass what one's job is. If you've got a functioning brain, run.

DinahMoeHum

(21,783 posts)
41. In answer to your last question. . .
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 07:26 PM
Jun 2020

For starters, you actually join the party in your hometown and become a district leader/precinct captain/precinct committeeperson and learn the doings of the political process at the local level.
You also get to know the constituents in your district, usually by pounding the pavements and canvassing.

You might then decide to run for office.
You usually start at school board, library board, town council, city council, etc.
Then maybe for county positions.
Later on, you might try for state assembly or state senate.
Then you go federal.

IOW, most who reach the top of the mountain didn't fall there. They did the necessary homework of actually knowing their districts and their constituents.



#newrostrong

DinahMoeHum

(21,783 posts)
40. I've said it before. It needs to be repeated. . .
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 07:18 PM
Jun 2020

CD-16 is not a cookie-cutter version of CD-14 or CD-15 by a long shot. The demographics are different.

Plus. the "Justice Democrats" keep forgetting that moderate and conservative Democrats also vote, and more importantly, they show up to vote each and every time.




#newrostrong

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
56. It's a primary
Thu Jun 18, 2020, 05:01 AM
Jun 2020

In a safe blue district. The drama over it is ridiculous. I'd be more concerned about the Republicans running as Democrats against AOC and the other NY district. And where's the outrage over Kennedy trying to oust solid liberal Markey in MA?

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
62. Engel: "If I didn't have a primary, I wouldn't care"
Thu Jun 18, 2020, 01:39 PM
Jun 2020

New York Representative Eliot Engel was overheard on a hot mic Tuesday saying that he "wouldn't care" about speaking at an event about recent protests in New York City if he didn't have a primary coming up. His opponent in that primary tells CBSN the comment "captures everything that is wrong with too many in Washington."

Local station News 12 captured Engel, a Democrat, making the comment at a press conference in the Bronx following another night of civil unrest following the death of George Floyd. In a clip posted on Twitter, Engel is seen talking to Bronx Borough President Ruben Diaz Jr. about whether he'll be able to speak at the event. Diaz is heard telling Engel there's a "list" of planned speakers and there might be too many people.

"If I didn't have a primary, I wouldn't care," Engel says. When Diaz doesn't hear him, Engel says it again.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/eliot-engel-new-york-congressman-hot-mic-primary/

George II

(67,782 posts)
63. Why don't you post the explanation of that few seconds long comment? It isn't what you'd like...
Thu Jun 18, 2020, 02:34 PM
Jun 2020

...it to be. I'd give that to you but I've posted it a number of times on this site, so I'm sure you're seen it.

By the way, if that was so "horrible", why would Bronx Borough President Ruben Diaz Jr. endorse Representative Eliot Engel.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
64. I haven't seen it
Thu Jun 18, 2020, 02:47 PM
Jun 2020

If it's all that relevant and important as you make out, I'm sure you can find the energy to post it one more time.

George II

(67,782 posts)
80. He's one of the top progressive Representatives in the House according to that site....
Fri Jun 19, 2020, 08:12 AM
Jun 2020

#11 for the current session (2019-2020) for crucial votes
#9 for the current session (2019-2020) overall votes

WAY above some of the Representatives touted as the new wave of "progressive" legislators to which he's being compared.

Pramila Jayapal - #21 on crucial votes, #23 overall
Ro Khanna - #23 on crucial votes, #38 overall
Rashida Tlaib - #23 on crucial votes, #134 overall
Ilhan Omar - #43 on crucial votes, #164 overall
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez - #23 on crucial votes, #177 overall

But then again, Justice Democrats (who are behind the flurry of challengers) are taking shots just to get a win. This from the OP:

Desperate for victory after watching the presidential nomination slip through their fingers, progressives have found a new cause to rally around.

Across the country, they’re channeling their grief, volunteer muscle and small-dollar donations into Jamaal Bowman, a left-wing candidate in New York trying to oust decades-long incumbent Congressman Eliot Engel.


“What is that left phrase? We just need a win,” said Andom Ghebreghiorgis, another progressive candidate who challenged Engel this year but recently dropped out and endorsed Bowman.
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