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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMost New Yorkers diagnosed with coronavirus aren't sharing contacts with tracers
PoliticoMost of the New Yorkers testing positive for Covid-19 have not given the citys new contact tracers names of people they may have exposed, according to data released Tuesday.
The city has identified 5,347 new cases of the coronavirus since launching its contact tracing program at the beginning of June of those, only 1,866 have disclosed contacts to the tracers, or just over a third. And only a tiny fraction have moved into the hotel rooms the city is offering for sick people to isolate themselves and avoid infecting their families at home.
Whenever someone tests positive for the virus, the city is calling them to ask who theyve been close to for more than 10 minutes so tracers can hunt down and test those people, and rein in the spread of the virus. Those contacts should include family members or anyone else the sick person lives with.
But most of the people reached are claiming they have no contacts at all, said Dr. Ted Long, head of the Test and Trace Corps.
greymattermom
(5,754 posts)and seeing friends by video or at a distance, they might be telling the truth. Why not believe them?
Evergreen Emerald
(13,069 posts)It is too bad people are not assisting the community to help minimize the spread. I am just beginning to realize how stupid Americans are.
Of course, they did elect Trump....that should have been the clue.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Did not know that.
Evergreen Emerald
(13,069 posts)I meant that we Americans put him in as President. Stupidly.
These are extremely stressful times. I understand your need to be sarcastic. I posted something the other day that I apologized for. We are all in this together. If you disagree with me, I get that. But, I would appreciate it if you could address my words and ideas without the attack.
Have a nice day.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... shut down.
NY gets 80 cases an hour or something and people can't contact trace.
Just ask people to use their phones !!
delisen
(6,042 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... like all the nation who've beat CV19 like China.
Pinning China's success on their government style ignores the 231412423 other countries who've beat CV19 that aren't.
shockey80
(4,379 posts)We are doing something right. Imagine trying to contact trace in a state like Florida or Alabama.
Tanuki
(14,918 posts)Link to tweet
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Blues Heron
(5,931 posts)fucking spreaders - nasty.
SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)I have a lot of thoughts that aren't fit for public consumption.
They are not kind.
You wouldn't catch me in there on a good day.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Hmm?
shockey80
(4,379 posts)Maybe because a large number of people in those states believe the virus is a hoax.
DUH!
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,323 posts)PTWB
(4,131 posts)If someone leaves out or lies about their contacts it should be just as illegal as someone who knowingly exposes a partner to AIDS without warning that partner.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,323 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,323 posts)likelihood that someone will get tested (if you don't know, you don't have to disclose) and criminalizes behaviors that don't always result in harm. If you do end up convicting and imprisoning someone who is positive for whatever disease you're targeting, they are now in a population that hastens transmission, in a system that is historically terrible at helping people stay healthy. Criminalization is not a great public health policy.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)It is criminalization of refusing or failing to disclose contacts.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,323 posts)nondisclosure *to* contacts. Criminalization is simply not a good public health tool, no matter the behavior you're trying to change.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)And we'd want our friends to do the same, the more we respected them, the more we'd assume they of course would.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,323 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Fotunately, criminalization of typical people who refuse to report's such an awful idea that it's not something to worry about. Epidemiologic control is focused on stopping disease. Not on punishing one-time transgressors just for the enjoyment of throwing vast resources at that instead of something that might help.
Frankly, I'm having trouble coming up with any good reasons why people wouldn't report contacts. Some, of course, would want to refuse out of general orneriness. Some idiots might regard it as "snitching" on friends from warped notions and inability to understand right and wrong. Anti-government and other paranoias, like Jews, doctors, and aliens, would of course be in play. Some religious and/or political extremists are hoping society will be destroyed; the purest motive: why would they help?
Always with us are those who automatically resent any call to put themselves out in any way, even when it costs them nothing, and refuse to "get involved," a particularly hypocritical subcategory I guess of general orneriness.
The largest number that come to my mind, though overlapping with the others, would be the kind of idiots who are spreading disease to spite Democrats. Insane as it sounds, in this bizarre era of mass sociopathy there are tens of millions of those.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,323 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,323 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,323 posts)I deliberately avoided putting moral judgment on someone's reasons, though. As someone who generally is taken seriously by the health care system, not trusting the health care system doesn't really figure into my personal experience. Listening to other people's stories, though, I can definitely see where that reluctance to share information might come from.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)self-injurious reason ever be a good one? So, mild paranoid traits are extremely common. Does that somehow make irrational and irresponsible reactions good ones?
We can ignore duty to others completely because it's also very common to deny we have any.
Instead, how about just danger to self from the virus and disastrous societal sequelae, exacerbated by a self-endangering self-protectiveness based on irrational fears and resentments? Can a self protection that refuses to protect self from real danger ever be a good reason?
Whoops, here comes my husband. Been waiting in the car. IMO, supreme selfishness argues for contact tracing just as much as extreme selflessness.
Bye.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,323 posts)You keep trying to nail down good/bad, when all I said was that there were reasons, and that I could think of several, for why a person might not report contacts.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)behaviors equate to good decisions and bad decisions far, far more than otherwise.
Further, good decisions for oneself are more often than otherwise good for others as well.
And the converse is true. Someone may not see helping everyone everyone else in his apartment building as helping (i.e., making a good decision for) himself, but that's just usually the way. People have so many needs in common, and right now protection from illness/death and potential destitution is kind of a big one.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Why not say with whom you have been in contact?