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brooklynite

(94,499 posts)
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 08:34 AM Jun 2020

Most New Yorkers diagnosed with coronavirus aren't sharing contacts with tracers

Politico

Most of the New Yorkers testing positive for Covid-19 have not given the city’s new contact tracers names of people they may have exposed, according to data released Tuesday.

The city has identified 5,347 new cases of the coronavirus since launching its contact tracing program at the beginning of June — of those, only 1,866 have disclosed contacts to the tracers, or just over a third. And only a tiny fraction have moved into the hotel rooms the city is offering for sick people to isolate themselves and avoid infecting their families at home.

Whenever someone tests positive for the virus, the city is calling them to ask who they’ve been close to for more than 10 minutes — so tracers can hunt down and test those people, and rein in the spread of the virus. Those contacts should include family members or anyone else the sick person lives with.

But most of the people reached are claiming they have no contacts at all, said Dr. Ted Long, head of the Test and Trace Corps.

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Most New Yorkers diagnosed with coronavirus aren't sharing contacts with tracers (Original Post) brooklynite Jun 2020 OP
If they are working from home and getting take out or delivery, greymattermom Jun 2020 #1
That is not how Covid-19 is spread Evergreen Emerald Jun 2020 #2
They're stupid enough to continue to believe Trump cause the M$M propped him so well. uponit7771 Jun 2020 #4
New Yorkers elected trump? Tipperary Jun 2020 #12
No snarky eye rolling... Evergreen Emerald Jun 2020 #14
This is going to get bad fast, China gets 80 cases in a city of 21 million and the whole city is shu uponit7771 Jun 2020 #3
China is an authoritarian nation. delisen Jun 2020 #16
Yeah, they assault peaceful protesters. Look, we can have federated NPI levels and TTQ process's ... uponit7771 Jun 2020 #20
Just think, my state, New York, now has one the lowest infection rates in the country. shockey80 Jun 2020 #5
Imagine trying to contract trace after this one... Tanuki Jun 2020 #7
dude rubbing his eyes if you follow the mic stand to right side of pic Blues Heron Jun 2020 #9
These people are disgusting SoonerPride Jun 2020 #19
Wow! RobinA Jun 2020 #32
Why would that be more difficult? Tipperary Jun 2020 #24
Maybe because they have Governors who treat the virus like Trump. shockey80 Jun 2020 #27
I can think of a lot of reasons why they wouldn't. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #6
We ought to make it illegal PTWB Jun 2020 #8
Criminalization is a terrible way to go if your goal is to reduce transmission. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #10
Why? PTWB Jun 2020 #11
Criminalization of transmission increases stigma around a disease or condition and reduces the WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #13
It isn't criminalization of the disease though.. PTWB Jun 2020 #15
True, but criminalizing nondisclosure *of* contacts definitely opens the door to criminalizing WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #17
Maybe, Whiskey, but I can't think of even one reason why WE wouldn't. Hortensis Jun 2020 #18
"We" who? WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #21
Sorry, Whisky. My husband and I. And, I know, our children. Hortensis Jun 2020 #22
Thanks for the clarification. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #23
Any ideas for good reasons? Hortensis Jun 2020 #28
Ignorance, distrust of public/social services or of their own provider, shame, etc WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #29
Well, those are reasons. nt Hortensis Jun 2020 #30
To people who have those fears and experiences, they are good reasons. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #31
But could be an understandable but invalid and Hortensis Jun 2020 #33
That's why I avoid "good" and "bad" when it comes to thinking about other people's motivations. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #34
Well, no accident that functional and dysfunctional Hortensis Jun 2020 #35
Why would they not? Tipperary Jun 2020 #25
Ignorance, distrust of public/social services or of their own provider, shame, etc. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #26

greymattermom

(5,754 posts)
1. If they are working from home and getting take out or delivery,
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 08:49 AM
Jun 2020

and seeing friends by video or at a distance, they might be telling the truth. Why not believe them?

Evergreen Emerald

(13,069 posts)
2. That is not how Covid-19 is spread
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 09:12 AM
Jun 2020

It is too bad people are not assisting the community to help minimize the spread. I am just beginning to realize how stupid Americans are.

Of course, they did elect Trump....that should have been the clue.

Evergreen Emerald

(13,069 posts)
14. No snarky eye rolling...
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 10:11 AM
Jun 2020

I meant that we Americans put him in as President. Stupidly.

These are extremely stressful times. I understand your need to be sarcastic. I posted something the other day that I apologized for. We are all in this together. If you disagree with me, I get that. But, I would appreciate it if you could address my words and ideas without the attack.

Have a nice day.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
3. This is going to get bad fast, China gets 80 cases in a city of 21 million and the whole city is shu
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 09:14 AM
Jun 2020

... shut down.

NY gets 80 cases an hour or something and people can't contact trace.

Just ask people to use their phones !!

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
20. Yeah, they assault peaceful protesters. Look, we can have federated NPI levels and TTQ process's ...
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 11:32 AM
Jun 2020

... like all the nation who've beat CV19 like China.

Pinning China's success on their government style ignores the 231412423 other countries who've beat CV19 that aren't.

 

shockey80

(4,379 posts)
5. Just think, my state, New York, now has one the lowest infection rates in the country.
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 09:23 AM
Jun 2020

We are doing something right. Imagine trying to contact trace in a state like Florida or Alabama.

Tanuki

(14,918 posts)
7. Imagine trying to contract trace after this one...
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 09:28 AM
Jun 2020

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SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
19. These people are disgusting
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 11:09 AM
Jun 2020

I have a lot of thoughts that aren't fit for public consumption.

They are not kind.

 

shockey80

(4,379 posts)
27. Maybe because they have Governors who treat the virus like Trump.
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 12:08 PM
Jun 2020

Maybe because a large number of people in those states believe the virus is a hoax.

DUH!

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
8. We ought to make it illegal
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 09:29 AM
Jun 2020

If someone leaves out or lies about their contacts it should be just as illegal as someone who knowingly exposes a partner to AIDS without warning that partner.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,323 posts)
13. Criminalization of transmission increases stigma around a disease or condition and reduces the
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 10:02 AM
Jun 2020

likelihood that someone will get tested (if you don't know, you don't have to disclose) and criminalizes behaviors that don't always result in harm. If you do end up convicting and imprisoning someone who is positive for whatever disease you're targeting, they are now in a population that hastens transmission, in a system that is historically terrible at helping people stay healthy. Criminalization is not a great public health policy.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
15. It isn't criminalization of the disease though..
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 10:11 AM
Jun 2020

It is criminalization of refusing or failing to disclose contacts.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,323 posts)
17. True, but criminalizing nondisclosure *of* contacts definitely opens the door to criminalizing
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 11:02 AM
Jun 2020

nondisclosure *to* contacts. Criminalization is simply not a good public health tool, no matter the behavior you're trying to change.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
18. Maybe, Whiskey, but I can't think of even one reason why WE wouldn't.
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 11:06 AM
Jun 2020

And we'd want our friends to do the same, the more we respected them, the more we'd assume they of course would.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
22. Sorry, Whisky. My husband and I. And, I know, our children.
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 11:54 AM
Jun 2020

Fotunately, criminalization of typical people who refuse to report's such an awful idea that it's not something to worry about. Epidemiologic control is focused on stopping disease. Not on punishing one-time transgressors just for the enjoyment of throwing vast resources at that instead of something that might help.

Frankly, I'm having trouble coming up with any good reasons why people wouldn't report contacts. Some, of course, would want to refuse out of general orneriness. Some idiots might regard it as "snitching" on friends from warped notions and inability to understand right and wrong. Anti-government and other paranoias, like Jews, doctors, and aliens, would of course be in play. Some religious and/or political extremists are hoping society will be destroyed; the purest motive: why would they help?

Always with us are those who automatically resent any call to put themselves out in any way, even when it costs them nothing, and refuse to "get involved," a particularly hypocritical subcategory I guess of general orneriness.

The largest number that come to my mind, though overlapping with the others, would be the kind of idiots who are spreading disease to spite Democrats. Insane as it sounds, in this bizarre era of mass sociopathy there are tens of millions of those.






WhiskeyGrinder

(22,323 posts)
31. To people who have those fears and experiences, they are good reasons.
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 01:32 PM
Jun 2020

I deliberately avoided putting moral judgment on someone's reasons, though. As someone who generally is taken seriously by the health care system, not trusting the health care system doesn't really figure into my personal experience. Listening to other people's stories, though, I can definitely see where that reluctance to share information might come from.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
33. But could be an understandable but invalid and
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 02:04 PM
Jun 2020

self-injurious reason ever be a good one? So, mild paranoid traits are extremely common. Does that somehow make irrational and irresponsible reactions good ones?

We can ignore duty to others completely because it's also very common to deny we have any.

Instead, how about just danger to self from the virus and disastrous societal sequelae, exacerbated by a self-endangering self-protectiveness based on irrational fears and resentments? Can a self protection that refuses to protect self from real danger ever be a good reason?

Whoops, here comes my husband. Been waiting in the car. IMO, supreme selfishness argues for contact tracing just as much as extreme selflessness.

Bye.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,323 posts)
34. That's why I avoid "good" and "bad" when it comes to thinking about other people's motivations.
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 02:26 PM
Jun 2020

You keep trying to nail down good/bad, when all I said was that there were reasons, and that I could think of several, for why a person might not report contacts.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
35. Well, no accident that functional and dysfunctional
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 05:01 PM
Jun 2020

behaviors equate to good decisions and bad decisions far, far more than otherwise.

Further, good decisions for oneself are more often than otherwise good for others as well.

And the converse is true. Someone may not see helping everyone everyone else in his apartment building as helping (i.e., making a good decision for) himself, but that's just usually the way. People have so many needs in common, and right now protection from illness/death and potential destitution is kind of a big one.

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