Breaking: AOC finally accepts face-to-face debate challenge for congressional election

[George II]

From the Parkchester Times, which is sponsoring the debate:

Parkchester Times, Jun 17, 2020

Incumbent Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has finally accepted her opponent’s challenge less than 24 hours before the fixed date of the only face-to-face debate organized by Parkchester Times.

A couple of days ago, Candidate Michelle Caruso-Cabrera wrote AOC an open letter challenging her to the face-to-face debate, which obviously gave AOC her congressional ticket a couple of years ago.

The news of her acceptance was received by the organizer in the evening of Tuesday, June 16.

According to her spokesperson, Lauren Hitt, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez decided to accept the challenged on the condition that the organizer would ensure that there will be no violation of social distance rules.

More at:

https://parkchestertimes.com/breaking-aoc-finally-accepts-face-to-face-debate-challenge-for-congressional-election

Tweet from Michelle Caruso-Cabrera:

Link to tweet

[Budi]

1. Hope its online !! 👍

💙

[George II]

19. Looks like it will be online at News 12 The Bronx

http://bronx.news12.com/category/323528/top-stories

[Budi]

21. Thanks Georgell. 7 pm ET tonight.

👍😁

[liskddksil]

2. Sounds like a reasonable compromise to me to something that should

really be virtual in this current environment.

[George II]

4. The thing is she said a week ago that she wouldn't appear, not mentioning "social distancing".

[marble falls]

3. My money's on AOC.

[jalan48]

24. Mine too. We need her voice in Congress.

[R B Garr]

5. Those comments are brutal!

Good for Caruso-Cabrera for exposing this.

[Dem4Life1102]

6. Caruso-Cabrera is right winger

who use to be a Republican and only changed parties to run against AOC.

[liskddksil]

8. #truth nt

[R B Garr]

9. That was good enough for so-called "Independents"

[Hassin Bin Sober]

11. She wrote a book calling for the end of social security and Medicare.

But I’ll guess we’ll look the other way on account of butt hurt.

[R B Garr]

12. Lots of people write books--some even become millionaires!

Even though they claim to hate millionaires. It’s really strange.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

16. Lol. Like I said...

[R B Garr]

18. LOL, the hypocrisy

Books...

[Dem4Life1102]

27. Yet her book was endorsed by Larry Kudlow.

[R B Garr]

28. At least it wasn't Putin. nt

[Dem4Life1102]

29. Might as well be

[R B Garr]

31. Well, we know who Putin helped, and it wasn't

people like Crowley.

See the Mueller report, that’s what my comment is about.

[Dem4Life1102]

32. Who's talking about Crowley?

This is about how Caruso-Cabrera is a right wing republican pretending to be democrat.

[R B Garr]

33. Random crap about books doesn't matter, either.

Isn’t Caruso a woman of color? Since we’re dragging up random topics.

[Dem4Life1102]

36. Her book proves

that she is a right wing Republican.

[R B Garr]

39. She is a woman of color and a registered Democrat.

Writing books only means you want to make money, since there seem to be different standards on the book thing and who one favors...

[Dem4Life1102]

43. She is a right winger

And only switched parties to run in the primary.

[R B Garr]

49. LOL, switching parties is good enough for the

so-called Independents, some of whom attack Democrats as part of their election platform.

[Dem4Life1102]

57. Sounds like whataboutism

This issue is someone who is a right winger and life long republican switching parties to run in a primary against a real democrat.

[R B Garr]

62. Sounds like excuses for hypocrisy. Attacking Democrats

isn’t just done by Republicans. I don’t follow New York politics very much, but I don’t recall attacks on my party by Caruso, while I do remember AOC’s attacks, the most recent on Joe Biden and how she stated they wouldn’t be in the same party or something like that.

[betsuni]

63. +1

[Dem4Life1102]

70. Then you must have never seen Caruso-Cabrera in TV

She has been attacking Democrats and party policy for years.

[R B Garr]

75. I haven't seen that from Caruso, but I have from AOC.

It seems that was part of her brand building as a progressive as she campaigns against incumbent Democrats whom she feels do not meet her group’s standards for Democrats. I think the group is called Justice Democrats, and I think some advocate voting third party, but I don’t think AOC does that. I haven’t seen Caruso openly criticize Democrats.

[Dem4Life1102]

76. Then you haven't been paying attention

&t=372s

[R B Garr]

80. AOC has the same type clips but from a "progressive" angle.

And the progressive angle says to challenge incumbent Democrats and target them for removal. I haven't heard Caruso do that. She is pro-business, something her district might be interested in. Caruso said Obama was very liberal -- isn't that a compliment according to those who claim to revere AOC's liberalism??

The difference now is that AOC has a record to run on and parts of that record is that she voted against jobs in her district. Caruso is for jobs. Both women are women of color and registered Democrats.

The subject of this thread was AOC's reluctance to debate. If I posted all the negative stuff on AOC I could find it would take a while and I bet wouldn't last.

Time to quit bashing this woman of color and registered Democrat. Time to move on. We're done here, as it seems that you refuse to quit bashing a Democrat and I can't reciprocate in kind, so time to move on. Thanks.

[Dem4Life1102]

82. Except AOC is a democrat

Not a republican pretending to be a democrat funded by wall street.

WALL STREET TITANS are financing a direct challenge to firebrand progressive lawmaker Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez in the New York primary on June 23.

Disclosures show that over four dozen finance industry professionals, including several prominent private equity executives and investment bankers, made early donations to Michelle Caruso-Cabrera, a former CNBC contributor who is challenging Ocasio-Cortez. Caruso-Cabrera was a registered Republican until a few years ago and authored a 2010 book advocating for several conservative positions, including an end to Medicare and Social Security, which she called “pyramid schemes.”

The donors include Glenn Hutchins, the billionaire co-founder of Silver Lake Partners; James Passin of Firebird Capital; Bruce Schnitzer of Wand Partners; Jeffrey Rosen of Lazard; and Bradley Seaman, managing partner of Parallel49 Equity. The chief executives of Goldman Sachs and Virtu Financial, as well as the former chief executive of PNC Bank, James Rohr, are also among the Caruso-Cabera donors.

https://theintercept.com/2020/04/15/aoc-primary-challenger-cabruso-cabrera-wall-street/

Telling the truth about Caruso-Cabrera is not bashing her.

[R B Garr]

84. AOC's money has largely come from out of district. Caruso is a Democrat, as well. Caruso hasn't

advocated against Democrats. I've seen AOC do so as part of her branding herself as a "progressive." Both women are women of color and registered Democrats.

Time to quit bashing the other registered Democrat. None of the Wall Street bashing really stuck, so this is just another canard. Time to move on. If you're concerned about out-of-district money, then equal concern over AOC is warranted.

Time to move on now. This thread was about AOC's reluctance to debate. Why would she be reluctant to debate Caruso?

[Dem4Life1102]

95. Caruso-Cabrera is a right wing Republican

pretending to be a Democrat. And has advocated o against Democrats for years on CNBC, Maher's show and over TV shows. She is funded by the right wing and wall street.

[R B Garr]

98. It's obvious you are just spamming this canard, which is a very familiar tactic.

I haven't seen Caruso attack other Democrats, but I have seen the other candidate do so. Both are women of color and registered Democrats.

The biggest "crime" on the link you provided was that she called Obama very liberal. So what. That is a compliment to those who advocate for AOC's progressive agenda, so why would calling Obama a liberal be a bad thing.

Time to quit spamming and time to move on. This thread is about AOC's reluctance to debate Caruso.

[Dem4Life1102]

104. Then you haven't been paying attention

to her on TV for the last 10-15 years. She's a right wing republican pretending to be a democrat.

[R B Garr]

106. I haven't seen Caruso attack Democrats, and the link you provided

showed her complimenting Barack Obama.

This thread is about AOC's reluctance to debate Caruso. Time to move on now.

[Dem4Life1102]

111. You didn't see evolution happen either

You don't believe in that too?

[R B Garr]

114. This thread is about AOC's reluctance to debate Caruso.

This thread is about AOC's reluctance to debate Caruso.

[Dem4Life1102]

118. No it is about

Caruso-Cabrera being a right wing republican pretending to a democrat and being funded by the right wing and wall street.

[R B Garr]

120. No, it is about AOC's reluctance to debate Caruso.

You are just spamming the same canards about Caruso, but that's not what the thread is about.

[Demsrule86]

92. I don't watch money TV...but I know who she is...don't care for her much.

[R B Garr]

102. This is the second time you have responded to this post with the same distraction.

Time to quit bashing both women of color, both running as registered Democrats. Thanks.

[Dem4Life1102]

108. Not a distraction but a fact

Caruso-Cabrera is a right wing republican pretending to a democrat and is funded by the right wing and wall street.

[R B Garr]

116. Wall Street canards have been retired by the voters.

It's just a distraction at this point. Both women are women of color and registered Democrats.

[Dem4Life1102]

121. No they haven't

One is a democrat and has always been one. The other is a right wing republican who is pretending to be a democrat.

[R B Garr]

125. Yes they have

Changing parties is pretty routine for the "Independent" types, especially of Justice Democrats who openly advocate for Republicans if they walk the walk of the "progressive" talking points.

[George II]

86. Another one entering this year's primary is one who didn't vote for Obama in 2012....

....but was a member of a party that endorsed John McCain.

Don't see much outrage about that.

[Dem4Life1102]

87. More whataboutisms

The issue is a long time right wing Republican being funded by wall street to take down a Democrat.

[R B Garr]

89. More excuses for hypocrisy. The "issue" is the debate yesterday and why AOC

is reluctant to debate another woman of color and registered Democrat.

A lot has been posted here before your 2019 join date, and I don't know how to go back and link it all, but "taking down a Democrat" has long been a subject about which AOC was directly involved through her group Justice Democrats. They make a practice of primarying incumbent Democrats.

It's time to move on now. If you have a search function, you can go back to the many threads about "taking down Democrats" and see who was behind it, and it wasn't Caruso.

The issue really was the debate between the two women yesterday.

Welcome to DU!

[Dem4Life1102]

101. Doesn't change the fact that Caruso-Cabrera

is a right wing republican pretending to be democrat.

[R B Garr]

105. Caruso doesn't attack other Democrats under the name of "progressivism"

I haven't seen Caruso attack other Democrats.

[Dem4Life1102]

119. Then you've been ignoring her for years.

[R B Garr]

122. The link you provided showed her complimenting Obama.

She said he was very liberal. LOL.

[Dem4Life1102]

124. Please she didn't mean it as a compliment

And she's said far worse.

[R B Garr]

127. It sounded like a compliment to me. Calling Obama a liberal was a compliment.

I could link to lots and lots of negative things said about Democrats from the Justice Democrats....

[Dem4Life1102]

130. She didn't mean it as a compliment

[R B Garr]

131. Calling Obama a liberal was a compliment.

Now you are really sad that you thought that was a "gotcha" and it really wasn't.

[Dem4Life1102]

133. No it wasn't

Just saying that it was over and over doesn't make it true.

[R B Garr]

134. Saying Wall Street over and over was what didn't work.

The evidence of that is in the election results. Time to move on.

[Dem4Life1102]

137. The election results don't prove your assertion

Husband of Dem challenger Michelle Caruso-Cabrera pumps money into anti-AOC super PAC
By Carl Campanile June 16, 2020

The GOP-backing husband of Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s Democratic primary challenger has been pumping money into a super PAC intended to end the freshman firebrand’s congressional career at one term, campaign records reveal.

Michelle Caruso-Cabrera’s husband, investment banker and Republican Party donor Stephen Dizard, is listed as the largest donor in the super PAC named Fight For Our Communities, according to an initial report filed with the Federal Elections Commission.

Dizard contributed two donations totaling $30,000 in April — nearly three-quarters of the $42,500 raised.

https://nypost.com/2020/06/16/husband-of-michelle-caruso-cabrera-funding-anti-aoc-super-pac/

Wall Street giants including the CEOs of Goldman and Blackstone are pouring money into the campaign to defeat AOC in a June primary
Saloni Sardana Jun. 18, 2020

Some of Wall Street's most prominent names have donated thousands of dollars to Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez's opponent in the upcoming Democratic primary in New York, data from the FEC shows.

Federal Election Commission datashows that donors including Goldman Sachs' CEO David Solomon, Blackstone's Stephen Schwarzman, and hedge fund behemoth Paul Tudor Jones have given to the campaign of Michelle Caruso-Cabrera.

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-wall-street-donations-to-democrat-rival-2020-6-1029320917

Wall Street takes aim at Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez in party primary
Blackstone’s Schwarzman and Goldman’s Solomon among donors to her challenger in Democratic race

Some of Wall Street’s most powerful figures have poured money into the campaign to defeat Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez in her bid for re-election to the US House of Representatives, underscoring the self-described Democratic socialist’s tense relationship with her city’s most prominent industry.

Donors including Blackstone’s Stephen Schwarzman and David Solomon of Goldman Sachs have lined up behind Michelle Caruso-Cabrera, a former CNBC television journalist who is challenging Ms Ocasio-Cortez in the June 23 Democratic primary election in New York’s 14th congressional district.

Because the district, which covers parts of the New York City boroughs of Queens and the Bronx, is mainly Democratic, the winner of the primary would be the odds-on favourite in the November 3 general election.

https://www.ft.com/content/580b5830-7f7e-4092-a6f7-7b451e075e10

[R B Garr]

141. This is just more sour grapes about Wall Street canards being rejected by voters.

It also doesn't change the fact that AOC took exorbitant out-of-district money. I could link lots of negative stuff about AOC, but I bet it wouldn't last.

This thread is about AOC's reluctance to debate Caruso. Both are women of color and registered Democrats.

[Dem4Life1102]

144. Never rejected by voters

and not a canard but a fact. There is a big difference in someone receiving small donations from people across the country and someone accepting big donations from the right wing and wall street.

Only one is a democrat, the other is a right wing republican pretending to be a democrat.

[R B Garr]

146. Totally rejected by voters. The 2018 results and the current primaries.

Only one campaigns against incumbent Democrats.

[Dem4Life1102]

149. Again never rejected by voters

Just saying it over and over won't make it true.

[R B Garr]

151. Saying Wall Street over and over failed at the ballot box. Totally rejected by voters.

Just saying it over and over won't change that. I do admit, it's been nice not seeing this tactic since those election results really buried a lot of this.

[Dem4Life1102]

154. Never failed at the ballot box

Never rejected by voters.

[R B Garr]

156. Failed completely at the ballot box. These last primary results

were devastating. No denying that. Time to move on.

[Dem4Life1102]

159. Results don't prove what you're claiming

Stop pretending that they do.

[R B Garr]

162. Results were devastating and showed exactly that voters priorities were

not in demonizing Wall Street with superficial insults. Time to move on. This thread is about AOC's reluctance to debate Caruso.

[Dem4Life1102]

163. No they didn't

and there is no proof that they did.

OCASIO-CORTEZ CHALLENGER LEFT HER JOB AS CNBC ANCHOR TO SERVE ON BOARD OF COMPANY THAT PROFITS FROM DEATH
Aída Chávez
May 4 2020

BEFORE MICHELLE CARUSO-CABRERA launched a conservative primary challenge against Democratic Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez in New York, she was on the board of directors of GWG Holdings, a life settlement company that makes money off life insurance policies purchased primarily from seniors, the terminally ill, and those unable to afford it for less than face value, turning a profit when the beneficiary dies.

In September 2018, Caruso-Cabrera left her full-time position as an anchor at CNBC to join the board of directors at Beneficient Group, a Dallas-based company that lends money to ultrawealthy Americans who need it fast by turning nonliquid assets into cash. Beneficient is funded by GWG Holdings, a Minneapolis-based life insurance investor that poured nearly $1 billion into the company in a 2018 transaction.

Last April, GWG Holdings announced that it was expanding its partnership with Beneficent, replacing most of its board with Beneficient’s current board of directors. An SEC filing shows that Caruso-Cabrera joined GWG’s board that same day. A couple months later, she was awarded 8,169 restricted stock units of GWG Holdings, according to filings.

https://theintercept.com/2020/05/04/michelle-caruso-cabrera-gwg-holdings-aoc/

[TexasTowelie]

211. I can recall a time when viatical settlements were considered to be progressive.

I'm laughing at the irony over what has changed in the past few decades. I guess it's okay for people to sell their life insurance policies so that they pay expenses and enjoy the remainder of their lives, but the people that actually gambled on those risks are vilified when convenient.

[R B Garr]

212. Yes, they did. That's how elections work. The results tell you who won and lost, and the

Justice Democrats lost, especially this last primary.

https://time.com/5530386/aoc-amazon-new-york-hq2/
https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-06-11/incumbent-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-defends-record-new-york-primary
LA Times: "Now the incumbent, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez defends her record in N.Y. primary fight"

"The chamber and Michelle Caruso-Cabrera, Ocasio-Cortez's top challenger, are focusing chiefly on two things. One is Ocasio
-Cortez's March vote against a $2 trillion economic relief package, the other her opposition to Amazon's plan to build a jobs-rich headquarters in a Queens neighborhood in the district, which the company abandoned in 2019."

So linking to Caruso buying some unwanted life insurance with a bogus headline about "death" --- lol, yes, people buy life insurance, which is sorta about death...except when you sell it. Then it's just about selling life insurance you no longer want. Who cares if someone wants to sell their life insurance or who buys it. Just another bogus distraction.

Caruso has stated the above two issues she is running against. Jobs and AOC's no vote on the economic relief package. That sounds more progressive, actually. Caruso sounds like the actual progressive with that agenda. Who cares if she wrote a book 10 years ago. Lots of people write books.

[sheshe2]

206. You have the patience of a saint.

[R B Garr]

213. Hi she! Thanks, sometimes I have some extra time here and there, lol.

This is like old times with the obtuseness from, oh well....hehe

Good to see you! Always. Hope all is well.

[sheshe2]

214. Good to see you too, RB.

Great to get a workout from time to time.

Stay safe.

[R B Garr]

215. You, too, she! Hard to believe this year is half over already.

It's been the strangest year ever.

You stay safe, too.

[lapucelle]

186. The New York Post is a right wing Murdoch rag. It's Trump's favorite NY newspaper.

[Dem4Life1102]

189. True is it

But that doesn't mean the story about Caruso-Cabrera being funded by the right is untrue.

[lapucelle]

193. So you linked to a right wing source knowing it was a right wing source?

[JonLP24]

228. It is bizarre

To support someone who is a right winger that supported the end of social security & Medicare over a solid progressive because of Bernie hate.

[R B Garr]

229. Her platform is about jobs and government benefits.

Her book was 10 years ago.

Speaking of hate, five years of attacks on my party is enough. No thanks.

[George II]

85. If that's the case, she's not the only one who switched to run in the primary.

[Dem4Life1102]

99. Whataboutism

There is a big difference between a liberal independent running in a democratic primary than a right wing republican switching parties to do so.

[George II]

150. "Whatabout" a guy who belonged to a party that endorsed John McCain against Obama....

....and remained a member of that party until 2018, when he joined the Democratic Party to run for office?

I could see him leaving that party when he saw they endorsed McCain, but he remained a member for years after that.

[Dem4Life1102]

157. Don't know who you are talking about

but sounds like more whataboutism to me.

[womanofthehills]

219. She was living in Trump Tower before she decided to run

[R B Garr]

222. My young neighbors really like their Amazon jobs.

[Demsrule86]

253. People want jobs. And Amazon is better than other jobs in terms of pay and benefits...not as good

as they could be of course. And those I know in AOC's district were not happy about the Amazon kerfuffle. Hubs grew up around there. They expect service from their rep...I don't think Caruso will win but she could...and if AOC survives, she needs to turn her attention to her district a bit.

[R B Garr]

255. Agreed! Amazon could be better, but my neighbors are very

happy with most of it, especially the flexibility they are offered. I see them with different schedules all the time and wonder if they quit Amazon, but they tell me they just changed their days and hours to fit their studies or other pursuits. I haven’t talked a lot about things since Covid, but I think they were still working a lot.

I’m just floored at all the dismissals here of basic job needs. I’m sure there are plenty of New Yorkers who would have loved those Amazon jobs. I don’t know anyone who could afford to pick life philosophies over jobs.

[George II]

267. On top of that, the development as described in the media wasn't even going to be in her district...

...it was going to be in Carolyn Maloney's district.

You're correct, she'll probably win but her feet will be held to the fire going forward.

[Hortensis]

66. She is definitely well to the right of most local Democrats, and

Ocasio-Cortez similarly unabashedly well to the left of typical Democratic constituents.

Gee, who to vote for?

One who hangs out at the quad-now-trio table among our 235-member Democratic house caucus, ideology illustrated by her pride in losing the people of her district 50,000 new jobs from the planned Amazon headquarters even though polls showed very strong local support?

Or a seemingly future Blue Dog?

Remembering that, according to Roll Call, only 5% of this district's voters voted in the primary that resulted in their Wednesday Morning Surprise, and only 11% (!!!) of registered Democrats (presumably assuming everyone else would reelect their Democratic powerhouse as usual).

Any of the nonvoting Democrats who aren't exactly thrilled with their choices this time hopefully at least have learned that not voting can affect their futures as surely as voting.

[Dem4Life1102]

71. Ocasio-Cortez didn't switch parties to run in a primary

Caruso-Cabrera has been a right wing Republican for years and just switched to run in this primary.

[Hortensis]

72. Yup. And now this district has HER as their only real alternative

to Ocasio-Cortez, who as the incumbent but also assisted by vast donations from her farther-left fans around the nation (and who would certainly be elected by her national "constituency" if only they could also swamp this district with their votes in addition to money), is expected to win.

That's the point I was making.

Vote as if your life could depend on it. Don't let the meddling of outsiders who have no personal stake in an election decide. It's not their future incomes that were lost.

[Dem4Life1102]

73. And guess where Caruso-Cabrera's funding is coming from?

WALL STREET TITANS are financing a direct challenge to firebrand progressive lawmaker Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez in the New York primary on June 23.

Disclosures show that over four dozen finance industry professionals, including several prominent private equity executives and investment bankers, made early donations to Michelle Caruso-Cabrera, a former CNBC contributor who is challenging Ocasio-Cortez. Caruso-Cabrera was a registered Republican until a few years ago and authored a 2010 book advocating for several conservative positions, including an end to Medicare and Social Security, which she called “pyramid schemes.”

The donors include Glenn Hutchins, the billionaire co-founder of Silver Lake Partners; James Passin of Firebird Capital; Bruce Schnitzer of Wand Partners; Jeffrey Rosen of Lazard; and Bradley Seaman, managing partner of Parallel49 Equity. The chief executives of Goldman Sachs and Virtu Financial, as well as the former chief executive of PNC Bank, James Rohr, are also among the Caruso-Cabera donors.

https://theintercept.com/2020/04/15/aoc-primary-challenger-cabruso-cabrera-wall-street/

[Hortensis]

74. Exactly. Great choice they're left in her, both

hghest-funded candidates ideologically very different, from each other and from the typical Democrat.

It's concerning that someone so conservative has become the most popular alternative to Ocasio-Cortez's far-leftism. That's supposed to be a solidly blue district. Caruso-Cabrera may not win now, but this is unquestionably forcing Democratic voters to make decisions they never expected to and giving new hope to the district's conservatives. Hispanic voters are typically pretty conservative overall.

This is one reason why Ocasio-Cortez's admirers around the nation should turn off the money spigot and allow local voters to decide their representation for themselves.

First do no harm.

[Dem4Life1102]

79. Caruso-Cabrera is a right wing Republican

pretending to a Democrat. The only reason that she is popular at all is that she is being funded by the right wing and wall street.

[Hortensis]

88. So big donations are noble for "AOC" but...

what, drug voters into voting against their wishes for "MCC"?

Reality is that "AOC" is the specific reason "MCC" is doing as well as she is. The 14th's voters are being forced to decide between two extremes: far left and blue dog.

Without outside money, Ocasio-Cortez would have been forced to focus on her district's wishes if she wanted to be reelected, as she is supposed to. The complaints that lead more voters this time to look at "MCC" as an alternative wouldn't have developed.

Really, what's not to understand about the virtues of supporting democracy, respecting the wishes and needs of local voters, and keeping our noses out of what's supposed to be their business?

[Dem4Life1102]

96. Being funded by the right wing and wall street is never OK

especially when it is someone who has been a right wing republican for years.

[sheshe2]

208. Welp.

especially when it is someone who has been a right wing republican for years.

So was Elizabeth Warren...are you calling Warren, my Senator, one of the most progressive Senators a right winger?

[womanofthehills]

243. Elizabeth Warren never lived in Trump Tower

It ‘s been 20 yrs since Warren was a republican and how many months has MMC been a dem?

[R B Garr]

117. Exactly. Thank you. If outside money is bad for one, then it's bad for the other.

Great post.

[R B Garr]

91. "Wall street" canards have pretty much been retired by the voters.

The election results don't really support this type of distraction.

[Hortensis]

93. Yup. Among Democratic voters for sure. nt

[Dem4Life1102]

97. Not a canard

But a fact.

[R B Garr]

100. Voters have rejected the Wall Street bogeyman stuff. That is the important measure.

I've seen that spam here before for several years, though...

[Dem4Life1102]

109. No they haven't

[R B Garr]

112. Yes, they have. The 2018 election results and Joe Biden creaming the

self-described "progressives" who promote the Wall Street boogeyman talking points.

[Dem4Life1102]

113. No it doesn't

[R B Garr]

115. Yes it does.

[Dem4Life1102]

128. No it doesn't

[R B Garr]

129. Yes it does

Voters have rejected your spammed message, so it's time to move on.

This thread is about AOC's reluctance to debate Caruso. Both are women of color and registered Democrats.

[Dem4Life1102]

132. No they haven't

And only one is a real democrat and has always been one. The other is a right wing republican pretending to be a democrat.

[R B Garr]

135. Only one has been challenging incumbent Democrats and flying

around to their districts to support their challengers. Caruso hasn't done that.

[R B Garr]

136. Yes, they have. Voters rejected the Wall Street canards in several elections now,

especially during this primary season.

[Dem4Life1102]

138. No they haven't

[R B Garr]

139. Yes, they have. The 2018 election results and the last primary results.

Those talking points were rejected.

[Dem4Life1102]

140. No they weren't

[R B Garr]

142. Yes, they were. The 2018 election results and the current primary results.

Voters didn't buy the distractions. Time to move on.

[Dem4Life1102]

147. No they weren't

and are not because you say they were.

[R B Garr]

153. Yes, they were. The 2018 election results and current primary results.

Voters didn't buy it. Time to move on.

[Dem4Life1102]

158. No they weren't

Continuing to repeat it will never make it true.

[R B Garr]

160. Yes, they were. The 2018 election results and current primary results show that.

Continuing to distract with Wall Street this and that is futile. The election results show that didn't resonate. Time to move on.

[Dem4Life1102]

164. No they weren't

AOC rival Michelle Caruso-Cabrera’s book pushed GOP-friendly policies
By Carl Campanile May 18, 2020

Michelle Caruso-Cabrera, who is challenging lefty firebrand Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez in the June 23 Democratic primary, has championed free-market and limited-government policies that might resonate more with Republicans than the liberal voters she needs to win over in the Queens-Bronx district.

...

One of the people she dedicated her book to was free-market guru Milton Friedman.

In the book, Caruso-Cabrera said she wanted to “get rid of” Social Security and Medicare and abolish the federal departments of Commerce, Education, Energy and Labor.

...

She said “ending” Social Security and creating personal savings accounts would lead people to work longer.

Caruso-Cabrera talked up converting Medicare into a corporate-type 401(k) plan.

Public-sector unions come under withering criticism in the Caruso-Cabrera book for “choking our state and local governments” with “overly generous benefits that those in the private sector can only dream about” because unions have “overwhelming influence on our political process.”

...

She criticized the public school system as a “monopoly,” adding, “There is no competition among schools. There is no incentive or reward for high-quality programs and teachers. There is one undeniable fact about monopolies: they harm the public.“
...
She backs publicly funded charter schools as an option for kids and supports expansion of for-profit schools.

Caruso-Cabrera also wrote that the Security and Exchange Commission should be abolished and argued for the legalization of insider trading, saying: “prohibitions on insider trading are akin to price controls. If insiders were able to buy and sell, a stock would move quickly to the price that most accurately represents its true economic fundamentals.”

[R B Garr]

167. Yes, they were. This is just another distraction that is meaningless to what is happening now.

Caruso hasn't gone around the country primarying incumbent Democrats.

The Wall Street canards have failed at the ballot box.

I could post lots of negative stuff about AOC, but it probably wouldn't stay.

We know that writing books is just a money making venture, since money isn't all that much of a stigma if it is made by the right candidates, lol.

[Dem4Life1102]

169. Not a distraction

just more proof about who she is.

[R B Garr]

171. Total distraction. Spamming failed talking points isn't going to change the subject

matter of this thread -- AOC's reluctance to debate Caruso. This election is about AOC's performance in her district and what her district needs now.

[Dem4Life1102]

174. Not talking points

but the truth about who and what Caruso-Cabrera really is and who is funding her campaign.

[lapucelle]

194. That article links back to the right wing rag The New York Post.

[sheshe2]

209. You have repeated yourself repeatedly throughout this thread.

Doesn't make it true.

[Hortensis]

103. It is when applied to Democrats. Why do you think all

the really big money goes to Republicans? Why it was the Republicans who helped create and serve our new kleptocracy while they all battle together to keep Democrats out of power?

READ THE QUOTE AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS POST, 1102. IT'S A FACT.

[Dem4Life1102]

110. Yes

and Caruso-Cabrera is part of that by pretending to be a democrat.

[Hortensis]

123. It's a shame she decided she had a chance in the 14th.

Of course, anyone can register Democrat. It's actually very common for conservatives to run as Democrats and pose as liberal when that's the only game in their town.

Fwiw, this one's been very up front about economic positions that are not shared by most Democrats. She's likely keeping some goals secret, but those who do vote for her will at least know they're voting for an economic conservative who was Republican not long ago.

Have a nice afternoon.

[Dem4Life1102]

126. No they are voting for a right wing republican

pretending to be a democrat.

[Demsrule86]

90. I think it must be closer than we think or why would AOC have a debate?I know people who live in

AOC's district and they want someone who is there for them...I don't live there. But no matter what, it stays blue.

[Hortensis]

94. Might be. Caruso-Cabrera is a professional

talking head, presumably very good at it, so of course pols would choose not to go up against her if not felt necessary.

As you say, both are running as Democrats.

[Dem4Life1102]

107. Except AOC has always been a democrat

while Caruso-Cabrera is a right wing republican pretending to be a democrat.

[R B Garr]

143. There is only a small faction of Democrats advocating for third party candidates,

but Caruso hasn't done that.

[Dem4Life1102]

145. No she's been advocating for republicans

and right wing policy for over a decade.

[R B Garr]

148. If advocating for Republicans is calling Obama a liberal...lol.

She advocates for jobs now. AOC has a record to run on now, so it doesn't matter what Caruso did 10 years ago.

[Dem4Life1102]

152. Yes it does

She has a long record of pushing right wing ideology. Her book, with a forward written by Larry Kudlow, exposes exactly who she is.

[R B Garr]

155. No, it doesn't. I haven't seen her going to incumbent Democrats districts and

campaigning against them. Calling Obama a liberal is a compliment. Being for jobs is what most people are for.

[Dem4Life1102]

166. You are ignoring who and what she is

and has been for the last decade and more.

[R B Garr]

168. Caruso hasn't gone around the country trying to primary solid, incumbent Democrats.

You are the one ignoring what is going on. Who cares if someone wrote a book a decade ago.

She is a woman of color and a registered Democrat. Time to move on.

[Dem4Life1102]

170. No she just been attacking them

the Democratic party and liberal policies on TV for years.

And she's only pretending to be a Democrat.

[R B Garr]

172. AOC advocates for primarying incumbent Democrats. Caruso hasn't done that.

If you read about Justice Democrats, you see they advocate for whatever candidate/party that will push their "progressive" agenda. Those are the facts.

[Dem4Life1102]

176. No she's been for

replacing them with Republicans.

[R B Garr]

178. AOC has travelled to other districts around the country to primary incumbent Democrats.

She calls that her endorsement, but now she has her own record to run on which is what attracted her own challengers.

[Dem4Life1102]

181. That's called democracy

Don't you like democracy?

[R B Garr]

183. It's also democracy when someone challenges AOC on her actual record

instead of who she is campaigning against out of district.

[Dem4Life1102]

191. Yes it is

But we should be honest about who that person is and who is funding her.

[R B Garr]

199. We should be honest all the way around and admit

that primarying incumbent Democrats is why AOC has a challenger herself. We should see who the out-of-straters are who are funding AOC.

Wall Street talking points failed in the last election.

[Hortensis]

161. Well, fwiw, Caruso describes herself as a social liberal.

Many women share a combination of social liberalism and economic conservatism. Plenty of men too, but it's especially common among women.

And however genuinely socially liberal she may or may not be, she has been campaigning heavily on social issues. She claims that she decided to run when Ocasio-Cortez lost the 14th the Amazon headquarters, which will have tremendous social impacts for years.

Coronavirus is hitting the 14th very hard, and I read recently in the LA Times that she's been working and campaigning very hard with the many local groups that are trying to deal with special problems of very densely packed, long-established populations, like multi-generation families, living in multi-story buildings, etc.

In order to understand anything, we have to look at the whole picture. To those who live there it's much more real, complex and multidimensional than just "Republican" and "corporate donors." It's about what they think their reps will do with the power they give them, and most specifically what they'll use it to do for them. And Ocasio opened the door for this Repub-switch-Democrat candidate.

[Dem4Life1102]

165. No she advocates GOP policy

https://nypost.com/2020/05/18/aoc-rival-caruso-cabreras-book-pushed-gop-friendly-policies/

[R B Garr]

173. Everyone is for jobs. Now AOC has a record to run on and she rejected the Amazon

jobs. Spamming about a 10-year-old book doesn't change the fact that everyone is for jobs. Who is not for jobs.

[Dem4Life1102]

175. Is everyone for abolishing Social Security and Medicare

and Public Schools and the SEC too? Because Caruso-Cabrera is.

[R B Garr]

179. Replacing incumbent Democrats with unelectable "progressives" is the same

has handing the GOP power. Look at Gore 2000 for proof of that, along with this last election.

[Dem4Life1102]

182. Undetectable by who's measure?

[R B Garr]

184. Unelectable by the election results. Those superficial talking points

were rejected by voters.

This thread is about AOC's last minute decisions to finally agree to a debate against a challenger.

[Dem4Life1102]

190. Which election results.

And why is it ok for a longtime right wing republican to switch parties to primary a democrat but it's not ok for one democrat to rpimary another? Bit of a double standard there.

[R B Garr]

200. The double standard is the faux outrage that AOC

is being challenged on her record. It’s not hard to find what she accused Crowley of.

Obviously we know which elections the Justice Democrats lost. Especially this last primary was quite decisive.

[R B Garr]

201. By the last elections. Obviously.

That would be 2018 and especially this last primary.

[womanofthehills]

47. It's a very anti government book.

[R B Garr]

50. Some Independents are very anti-Democrat.

[Autumn]

244. None of Bernie books called for the end of Medicare and social security. Bill Clinton wrote books,

none of them called for the end of Medicare and social security. Hillary Clinton wrote books, none of them called for the end of Medicare and social security. Barack Obama wrote books, none of them called for the end of Medicare and social security. Bernie also doesn't hate millionaires, he just thinks they don't pay their fair share of taxes. He's right, they don't.

The woman you are admiring wrote a book calling for the end of Medicare and social security. I thought for a minute that was really strange. For a Democrat. Then I realized it's not strange at all, if a person is not a real Democrat. Or just became one to run as one.

[R B Garr]

245. The book was ten years ago. She didn't just change

parties. She changed parties 5 years ago. She is also a woman of color. We were told for 5 years now that changing parties was really good—-now, not so much.

And noticing discrepancies and hypocrisies about the obsession with her daring to challenge AOC isn’t “admiring”. More complete fabrication.

I see you are back posting about Bernie, but the voting has ended and there is a lot for you to examine about those results.

[Autumn]

246. I've examined all I need to examine.

[R B Garr]

247. Oh yeah. It was quite decisive.

Glad you noticed.

[Autumn]

249. Lets stick to the subject shall we? Michelle Caruso-Cabrera. Here's what I have noticed.

A leopard does not change it's spots.

CNBC anchor Michelle Caruso-Cabrera visited the set of Morning Joe to push her new book
You Know I'm Right and apparently we've got another Ayn Rand fan working for CNBC. After saying that the auto companies should have been allowed to fail, presumably to get rid of those pesky over paid union workers, Mike Barnicle asks her if she thinks we're going to have to raise taxes to pay our deficit.

From the video. Cabrera of course doesn't think we should raise taxes and says that instead we should cut spending. Leslie Stahl asks her where. She replies:

Easy stuff; you get rid of the Department of Labor, the Department of Commerce, the Department of Education. You can get rid of all of those. They're not necessary. You don't need that stuff done at the federal level.

But the real issue, let's talk about it – Social Security and Medicare, right? We have over promised so much that someday if we don't do something, we're going to be Greece. We're on the path to that. So what you do right now is you tell young people instead of saving that Social Security and giving it to the government, you're going to have a personal account, and that's going to be your retirement. And in the mean time, as you get closer to retirement, you're going to have to live on that money instead, because...

Leslie Stahl asks her what happens when the markets crash again and there's no safety net. Her answer:

Well, this is the choice, okay? So you're saying the choice is I can have the government pay me in the future guaranteed, or I can have this uncertainty of the market. I see it differently. I see the uncertainty of the markets or the uncertainty of some future Congress, some future bunch of people who are... can at any day decide you've got to retire later. You've got to put up more money.

Or in other words, don't dare expect the rich to pay back the Social Security trust fund and you're on your own for your retirement. Her buddies on Wall Street crash the economy again... too bad, so sad. Cabrera would fit right in at the Tea Party rallies.

https://crooksandliars.com/heather/cnbcs-caruso-cabrera-eliminate-departments

[R B Garr]

250. LOL, that was ten years ago. The subject isn't 10 years ago.

The subject is now. You are trying to change the subject to 10 years ago. Actually, the subject is the reluctance to debate her opponent, which was just cleared up last week according to the subject of this thread.

[Autumn]

251. A leopard does not change it's spots. And that D behind her name is nothing concrete.

She's not Wall streets pick for nothing.

[R B Garr]

252. She changed parties 5 years ago. Where is the outrage

over all the other party changes and third parties. This is where noticing the discrepancies and hypocrisy comes in. She’s a woman of color and a registered Democrat.

[Autumn]

254. AOC a registered Democrat and a woman of color. And AOC hasn't had to change to become a Democrat.

[R B Garr]

256. MCC is a woman of color and a registered Democrat.

I don’t think she travels to primary other incumbent Democrats or says derogatory things about Biden being in the same party.

[Autumn]

259. Well she was renting from Trump until last year. Still pushing her book and ideas to

cut SS and Medicare as of 2018 too. After you claim she became a Democrat. I don't care about other peoples opinions on any politician, no skin off my back. I do pay attention when they go after vulnerable people to take away their safety net. YMOV.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213607772#post257

to one of the great DUers Celerity.

[R B Garr]

260. That link says contradictory things. It says she would have

written it differently. I guess you didn’t read it.

It’s the articles that say when she became a Democrat, not me. I realize you want to make this personal, but it’s not about me.

[R B Garr]

261. The LATimes said Caruso's campaign was about 2 things:

Talk about vulnerable people -- job seekers and relief from Coronavirus.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-06-11/incumbent-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-defends-record-new-york-primary
LA Times: "Now the incumbent, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez defends her record in N.Y. primary fight"

"The chamber and Michelle Caruso-Cabrera, Ocasio-Cortez's top challenger, are focusing chiefly on two things. One is Ocasio
-Cortez's March vote against a $2 trillion economic relief package, the other her opposition to Amazon's plan to build a jobs-rich headquarters in a Queens neighborhood in the district, which the company abandoned in 2019."

It says she was renting from Trump in 2011. Sounds like a horrible investment. I thought Trump Tower residences had to be renamed a couple years ago.

[Celerity]

257. Caruso-Cabrera was still pushing the book up until 2018

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213639513

and the carpetbagger charge Caruso-Cabrera levies against AOC is just ridiculous

Caruso-Cabrera was living in Manhattan (in Trump Tower, lolol) until 2019, in a flat that probably now goes for close to 18-20K USD a month (it was 15K per month 9 years ago)

Ms Caruso-Cabrera — who formerly described herself as a “Whole Foods Republican” — is challenging Ms Ocasio-Cortez from the right as a business-friendly centrist.

Despite taking exception to Ms Ocasio-Cortez’s history with the district, Ms Caruso-Cabrera only moved into New York’s 14th District last year, and previously lived in Manhattan.

While she and her husband were living in Manhattan, Ms Caruso-Cabrera was living in Trump International Hotel and Tower on Columbus Circle in Manhattan.

According to StreetEasy, the apartment rented for nearly $15,000 a month in 2011. Other apartments in the building were offered between $9,000 and $13,000.

[Autumn]

258. Hypocrisy is off the charts on this one.

[betsuni]

248. +1

[Budi]

17. Indeed. There's a few who slapped that D behind their name for 2016/2020.

Seems to be a moot point, then.

Have to check if it's carried online. Someone will have it tonight. Prob on a candidate's twitter.

This debate is necessary & fair to the district.

[George II]

34. She's a Democrat.

[Dem4Life1102]

35. No she's not

She only switched parties to run in the primary.

[George II]

38. Hmmm, that sounds familiar.

[Dem4Life1102]

44. So what?

Doesn't mean what she's doing should be ignored.

[womanofthehills]

220. How many Dems have lived in Trump Towers and

Feel tax cuts for the rich are really good thing?

[melman]

77. No wonder certain people are so fond of her

[liskddksil]

7. The comments look like they are from Trump supporting right-wingers

which is pretty much what AOC's primary opponent is.

[R B Garr]

10. Or people who want accountability from their reps--

something AOC ran on.

[liskddksil]

13. doesn't look like these commentators live in her district or even in NY for that matter

maybe they should focus on their own representatives.

[R B Garr]

14. Speaking of out of district, I saw something about AOC

getting lots of contributions from folks outside her district.

I’m not in New York, so it’s hard to say what they sound like in the comments.

[George II]

22. 80% of her itemized contributions are from outside NYS, 28% from California.

[R B Garr]

30. That is shocking. She was very concerned about

keeping her district from the hands of a supposed outsider like Crowley, so it’s strange she accepted those contributions.

[womanofthehills]

46. And MCC isn't? Looks like MCC has her some big Republican doners

It’s being reported she is getting money from Trump supporters.

[R B Garr]

51. Where did AOC's money come from? Out of staters

who wanted an experienced Democrat gone? It’s been reported that AOC’s money was from outside her district.

[George II]

177. 80% of the documented contributions came from out of state...

... in fact 32% came from California! It's all in the FEC filings

[R B Garr]

180. Excellent info! Thanks. The hypocrisy about someone daring to challenge

AOC is just astounding.

[R B Garr]

15. "maybe they should focus on their own representatives"

Sorry to say that sounds a bit ironic considering the obsession with taking down Engel.

[George II]

23. Did you know that AOC wasn't even living in the Bronx when she filed her candidacy in 2017?

Last edited Wed Jun 17, 2020, 04:04 PM - Edit history (1)

For that matter, it wasn't even in NYC or NYS, it was in Knoxville Tennessee.

Check out FEC.gov

https://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/forms/H8NY15148/1172479/

[NurseJackie]

64. This is very interesting and revealing information to know.

Did you know that the "Justice Democrats" headquartered in Knoxville, TN? What a coincidence! Fascinating stuff.

[George II]

65. Indeed - both located at 714 South Gay Street, Knoxville, TN 37902 (from the FEC filing)

[George II]

37. FYI, I grew up in Queens in a neighborhood that at one time was in the 14th District, now in...

...Grace Meng's neighboring district.

No, I don't live in the 14th or New York any longer, but still have family and friends in Queens (AND the Bronx), some in the 14th.

I wasn't aware of our interest in primaries and elections being limited to our own current district here on DU.

[melman]

81. Hey

Did I ever tell you about that time I lived in a place over half a century ago and I decided it made me an expert on that place now?


It's a hell of a story.

[George II]

83. No you didn't. I lived in Queens for TWENTY FUCKING YEARS and NYC for 40 years!!!!!

In fact, I lived in NYC longer than AOC did.

Do you still have relatives in "that place where you lived over half a century ago"? Do you still go there every few weeks? Do you have friends there?

Next comment?

PS - welcome back!

[womanofthehills]

48. Your comment makes no sense?

There is a reality gap going on here.

[liskddksil]

216. I was responding to a post that seemed to imply that AOC's district has turned on her

because of some comments in a Twitter thread of a supporter of her opponent. After investigating, it looked like most of the commentators were not in the District or even in NYC for that matter. As such, these comments would have no correlation to the mood of the District.

[George II]

20. Michelle Caruso-Cabrera is a registered Democrat, not a trump supporting right-winger.

Do you stand by that bashing of a Democratic Public Figure?

[liskddksil]

25. I stand by my statement

https://www.amazon.com/You-Know-Right-Prosperity-Government/dp/1400169623

[womanofthehills]

45. Besides wanting to abolish Medicare and Socisl Secutity

MCC thought those big tax cuts for the wealthy were a good thing. It will be like child’s play for AOC to take her down.

[jcgoldie]

217. So ideology doesn't matter?

There's been ample evidence in this thread that MCC does not support democratic values and is ultra conservative on many issues. Care to dispute any of that or just take potshots at AOC?

[lapucelle]

195. There are some posters actually linking to Trump's favorite local right wing rag, the New York Post.

[oasis]

26. A close race may serve as a wake up call. nt

[NurseJackie]

185. Here's a freshman Representative who truly impresses me!

You want to know WHY it is that I find her to be so impressive... it's HER WORK and the fact that SHE'S BUSY WORKING with and for HER CONSTITUENTS!

I really like that she doesn't feel any need to tag along behind other high-profile politicians and try and use someone else to boost her public image and persona. She's smart enough and confident enough to know that her work for her constituents will speak for itself without the need to showboat.

She's got her priorities right. She doesn't hate the Democratic party, and she takes seriously her responsibility and obligation to work for the benefit of those who elected her. I also like that she doesn't try to smear, attack and divide our party with smears and attacks on fellow Democrats and against the party.

https://davids.house.gov/

We need more just like her. She sets a great example! THAT is the best "wake-up call" message.

[George II]

187. Sharice Davids immediately started working for her constituents, even before taking office....

and although her District is contiguous (i.e. not split by a large body of water) she has two fully functioning offices that opened days after being sworn in.

She's been an advocate for ALL the people of her district, but has been an inspiration for the Native Americans in and around the District.

[NurseJackie]

188. Two offices? Wow! --- And they're ALL HER OWN? Not shared? Not a corner-desk with an answerphone?

Two offices? Wow! --- And they're ALL HER OWN? Not shared? Not a corner-desk with an answerphone?

See? She's setting an outstanding example.

You know why we never see her on the news? Because she's busy working!!

You know why she's not appearing as a judge on Rupaul's Drag Race? Because she's too busy working!!

[George II]

196. I like Rupaul, she's very entertaining and doing some great work....

....but in these times what member of congress showed up on her reality show to be a judge instead of his/her District to visit with constituetents.

It must have been a California congressperson, right?

[NurseJackie]

198. Here you go...

[George II]

204. Wow, that took place at a time when the House was still in session! Generally....

....when members of Congress get time off they go back to their Districts to meet with their constituents.

[NurseJackie]

205. I guess some representatives have different priorities.

Generally....
when members of Congress get time off they go back to their Districts to meet with their constituents.

I guess some representatives have different priorities.

I saw this episode. She really didn't bring anything of value to the show. She wasn't really a fashion critic or performance critic... instead she just offered typical perfunctory compliments. I found the whole thing to be both amusing and "RU-vealing" (ha! see what I did there?)

[W_HAMILTON]

40. How can I watch this?

I've been checking on the internet for links to watch it live -- I believe it is taking place right now...? -- but I can't find anything. Anyone have any links to watch?

[George II]

41. Apparently it was on Bronx 12 News' Facebook page. It was on their website but only a few...

....cable systems, all local, were carrying it online.

Hopefully that local station will post it on their website after copyright issues expire (maybe tomorrow?)

[PandoraAwakened]

42. Remember the sad little boy on the playground pulling pigtails?

So, I gathered up 162 comments made by a certain poster who spends an inordinate amount of time bashing AOC online and shared them with a close friend of mine who's an esteemed psychiatrist.

I literally spurted the coffee I was drinking when, after reviewing the commentary, my friend calmly replied, "Clearly, this man has a major hard-on for Ocasio-Cortez."

After laughing loudly at this unexpected comment, I realized my friend wasn't laughing. He then said, "I'm sorry, I didn't mean that as a joke. Let me rephrase that: This man exhibits the same type of behavior and psyche as that of a malignant stalker."

I'll spare you the sick psycho-sexual fantasies my friend explained to me as those most typically harbored by malignant stalkers, but let's just say it certainly now explains a lot.

DISCLAIMER: I have not and will not be sharing who this particular person is.

[George II]

52. ?

[essme]

53. What did you friend say about you collecting comments

from a person on an online forum? Did he say that was a little odd?

[George II]

54. 162 comments!! And then calling THAT person a "malignant stalker" !! Ironic.

[essme]

56. I have heard one other person in my life say

"I collected what ____ wrote, and took them to a professional psychiatrist!"

Soooo I went to a "professional psychiatrist" (a real one with a PhD that works with me) and asked her about that--- and she said, "no professional mental health worker would give that type of opinion."

I haven't spoken to said person in 5 years- my life has less drama now.

[NurseJackie]

59. I know, right?

Is there a word stronger than 'ironic' that could also be used?

[George II]

61. Yes. Imagine that, going to the trouble of tracking down 162 comments from a "certain poster"...

...(presumably on DU, wonder who that "certain poster" might be?) on a particular subject, copying/pasting them and then sending them to an esteemed psychiatrist for a work up, and then characterizing THAT "certain poster" as a "malignant stalker"!

That has to be like a month's worth of posts, don't you think?



Ironic is mild, but we'll stick with that for now.

[NurseJackie]

67. I know many people who are genuinely clever, and then there are a few who are "too clever by half"

I know many people who are genuinely clever (and I admire them very much) and then there are a few who are "too clever by half" (and, honestly, I find that behavior tiresome and annoying). DISCLAIMER: I have not and will not be sharing who these persons are.

[betsuni]

68. ...

[Autumn]

265. I imagine most of them could easily be gathered in one thread without any trouble .

[George II]

266. If you read the post, you'd see that person went over posts over the course of 30 days.

No, it's NOT " ", it's bothersome.

[Autumn]

268. Okay so a couple of threads on AOC or three. I doubt there is one everyday.

[George II]

269. 30 days is 30 days. In some circles someone doing that would send up red flags....

I certainly don't understand how that could be a laughing matter.

[Autumn]

270. I didn't see the word everyday, or 30 days for that matter.

So, I gathered up 162 comments made by a certain poster who spends an inordinate amount of time bashing AOC online and shared them with a close friend of mine who's an esteemed psychiatrist.

I still think it's funny. Obviously you don't. If someone's actions bother you moving on to another topic might be a good idea.

[Lordquinton]

273. Hold up

Where does it say on that post they were gathered over 30 days?

[Autumn]

274. It doesn't. The outrage over 162 collected posts when some have spreadsheets is hilarious.

[betsuni]

55. That's some seriously committed hunting and gathering.

[NurseJackie]

60. People who have so many distractions and diversions are often undecided about more important things.

That's some seriously committed hunting and gathering.

You're correct. It's been my observation that people who have so many distractions and diversions are often "undecided" about more important things.

[mcar]

69. What did you "friend" say about someone who collects

162 posts from a poster on a discussion board, then brings those posts to this "friend" for analysis and a completely unethical diagnosis?

[Hassin Bin Sober]

78. Lol. We know who it is. Only possible due to the wonders of modern medicine.

Little blue pills paid for by Medicare.

[sheshe2]

210. Welp.

DISCLAIMER: I have not and will not be sharing who this particular person is.

You don't have to.

I'll spare you the sick psycho-sexual fantasies my friend explained to me as those most typically harbored by malignant stalkers, but let's just say it certainly now explains a lot.

It certainly does explain a lot.

[Autumn]

264. Interesting.

[Lordquinton]

272. One thing about this subthread

It's certainly shown us who has and hasn't done research before.

[NurseJackie]

58. Wow! ACTUALLY in the Bronx... that's cool!

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Wow! ACTUALLY in the Bronx... that's cool!



I suspect the residents who live there are surprised and happy about that!

[question everything]

192. Wow! Perhaps time to resurrect the Primaries Forum for discussions like this

[R B Garr]

202. Yes! Some are returning.

[dawg]

197. I'm an investor and long-time watcher of CNBC and other financial media.

I've noticed Michelle Caruso-Cabrera and her commentary over the years. I believe her to be an extreme right-wing candidate on economic issues. Far to the right of people like Mitt Romney or John McCain.

I don't think any Democrat would be well-served by supporting her against Ocasio-Cortez.

If centrist Democrats from the district want to back a centist primary challenger to AOC, that's their business. But Michelle Caruso-Cabrera is no centrist.

[Sewa]

203. Me too, watched CNBC for many years

It got to the point that I changed the channel or mute whenever MCC came on. I couldn’t take her partisan bs.

Completely agree with your comments about her.

[melman]

207. She is definitely a right-winger

You can tell by the people that promote her on the internet.

[democrattotheend]

221. She already participated in a debate with Caruso-Cabrera and the others

I guess this one is in person instead of on Zoom? IDK why people are making it out like she has refused to debate until now. She has in fact debated MCC and her other opponents already.

[George II]

223. It was a virtual debate, not with the candidates in the same room...

That was one of the biggest criticisms she had of Crowley.

[democrattotheend]

271. In fairness, she didn't run against Crowley during a global pandemic

And I thought he wouldn't debate her at all until the end?

[Humanist_Activist]

224. Wow, I guess policy positions are irrelevant to some people ...

They would support Trump if he had a (D) after his name. It's just a horse race to some.

[melman]

226. Is it that they're irrelevant..

...or is it that some people actually prefer the terrible positions? I think that is the question...and I think I know the answer.

[George II]

227. Still subtly bashing "said individuals" on DU? First you imply that "said individuals" are lying....

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...without actually saying it outright, and now claiming "said individuals" prefer terrible, i.e., non-Democratic, positions.

So mel, if you know the answer perhaps you'd like to tell us.

[melman]

230. Not sure what you're on about here

Sorry.


Generally speaking though, I think where individuals stand on things is quite clear from their posts. Nothing to do with what anybody else implies or claims. And if individuals don't want to be seen to be supporting horrible, non-progressive, policies...then they shouldn't do it. Generally speaking.

[George II]

231. I'm not "on" anything, another subtle assumption cloaking an insult. And....

....I don't see anyone here supporting horrible, non-progressive policies.

[melman]

232. You don't?

I sure do. But I suppose that kind of thing depends on your perspective. And there's no insult. Cloaked or otherwise.


But if an individual constantly bashes a progressive congresswoman and promotes her right wing opponent..that's on them. No one else. They can try to deflect it onto those that merely observe. But it's still on them. 100%

[George II]

233. I don't know anyone around here who has bashed a progressive congresswoman.

[melman]

234. Okay

Whatever you say.

[R B Garr]

235. Exactly. She has a record of votes now, and everyone

gets questioned on their votes. That’s how politics works.

[George II]

236. Yes, and Progressive Punch, which is used here often to demonstrate a legislator's level....

...of progressiveness, has these ratings for the current session, 2019-2020, for some of the 233 Democrats:

*Maloney #3
*Engel #9 (being bashed for not being "progressive" enough!)
*Meng #7
*Velazquez #14
Jayapal #23
*Nadler #34 (also being bashed for not being "progressive" enough)
Khanna #38
Haaland #40
Clay #48 (ALSO being bashed for not being "progressive" enough)
*Jeffries #74
*Meeks #81
Schiff #85
Hayes #92

ALL among the top half of the 233 Democratic Representatives.

Then we have:

Pressley #128
Tlaib #134
Omar #164
*Ocasio-Cortez #177

*Representatives from NYC

The point is, it's one thing to claim to be "progressive" and another to actually be progressive on the floor of the House. I.e., don't talk the talk if you're not going to walk the walk.

https://progressivepunch.org/scores.htm?topic=&house=house&sort=overall-current&order=down&party=

[melman]

237. .

[George II]

238. Where is that from? My data is from the well respected Progressive Punch and for ALL votes....

...and documented (as you can see)

And I provided ratings for 17 Representatives, why did you single out just one?

[melman]

239. It come from Progressive Punch

As you certainly know.

[George II]

240. It doesn't say anything about what that selected data represents. My data....

....is based on all votes in the current session, a great way to compare all Representatives. It's not based on any unstated or arbitrarily selected criteria.

http://www.progressivepunch.org/whatIsProgScore.htm

What Is a Progressive Score?

[melman]

241. Sorry

Not interested in playing tonight.

You know where it comes from. You know the ratings can be sorted in many different ways.

for example...






top ten? maybe not so much. you know all of this and I'm simply not going to play. So sorry.

[George II]

242. But you refuse to say what sort you used. Look again at the OVERALL voting records....

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...(i.e., "Rank" based on "Overall %) of all the Democratic Representatives, not a subjective unspecified "sort".

[R B Garr]

262. So here is the debate. Unity, jobs, voting for Democrats....

her voting record and ending the grandstanding and divisiveness....that's what the debate was about. Not some book from 10 years ago. Caruso pushed the unity angle and the fact that the last election revealed tepid support for Democrats and she clearly stated why and how we have to support our party.

Kahn sounds the best.

https://parkchestertimes.com/new-york-congressional-district-14th-debate-on-06172020

[R B Garr]

263. Kick for the actual debate:

https://parkchestertimes.com/new-york-congressional-district-14th-debate-on-06172020

Unity
Getting Democrats elected and not attacking other Democrats like Pelosi was attacked
Showing up for constituents
Jobs
Being against the divisiveness and grandstanding

All good debate subjects.