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IronLionZion

(45,427 posts)
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 07:19 PM Jun 2020

The Rich Have Stopped Spending And That Has Tanked The Economy

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/17/878946307/the-rich-have-stopped-spending-and-thats-tanked-the-economy



The wealthiest American households are keeping a tight grip on their purse strings even as their lower-income counterparts are spending a lot more freely when they emerge from weeks of lockdown. That decline in spending by the wealthy could limit the whole country's economic recovery.

Researchers based at Harvard have been tracking spending patterns using credit card data. They found that people at the bottom of the income ladder are now spending nearly as much as they did before the coronavirus pandemic.

"When the stimulus checks went out, you see that spending by lower-income households went up a lot," said Nathan Hendren, a Harvard economist and co-founder of the Opportunity Insights research team.

However, the wealthy are not matching them. "For higher-income individuals, that spending is still way far off from where it was prior to COVID and it has not recovered as much," Hendren said.

That's potentially crippling because consumer spending is a huge driver of economic activity. In fact, so much of the country's economy depends on shopping by the top income bracket that the wealthiest 25% of Americans account for fully two-thirds of the total decline in spending since January.


Our economy needs to trickle up from lower income consumers. Not down as rich GOP politicians keep telling us.

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The Rich Have Stopped Spending And That Has Tanked The Economy (Original Post) IronLionZion Jun 2020 OP
Maybe they need another tax cut BeyondGeography Jun 2020 #1
40 million unemployed probably more of a factor Under The Radar Jun 2020 #2
My wife and I are sending money we don't spend on movies, eating out, etc., to the food bank. hunter Jun 2020 #12
Admirable, you are so correct, default rates should be alarming for banks right now Under The Radar Jun 2020 #13
Those at the bottom are spending on what they Phoenix61 Jun 2020 #3
Wealthy people use assets to protect their own wealth bucolic_frolic Jun 2020 #4
This is exactly why tax cuts for the rich don't help. Working people spend every dime. Midnight Writer Jun 2020 #5
I am very concerned. Newest Reality Jun 2020 #6
If the only part of the economy to tank customerserviceguy Jun 2020 #7
Don't Forget $2,000-3,000 Shoes ProfessorGAC Jun 2020 #9
OMG! customerserviceguy Jun 2020 #14
this is why giving money to the poor is far better at stimulating the economy unblock Jun 2020 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author Ilsa Jun 2020 #10
The correct term is not "giving more money to the poor". Blue_true Jun 2020 #15
Agreed, my shorthand was sloppy unblock Jun 2020 #16
Agree with all, in particular the last sentence. Blue_true Jun 2020 #18
If you want to get depressed about it, read up on the invention of intermittent windshield wipers unblock Jun 2020 #19
I'm not spending much at all. House of Roberts Jun 2020 #11
Higher taxes on the wealthy. roamer65 Jun 2020 #17
I Am Not Buying This Talking Point erpowers Jun 2020 #20
That is the point IronLionZion Jun 2020 #21

hunter

(38,310 posts)
12. My wife and I are sending money we don't spend on movies, eating out, etc., to the food bank.
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 09:16 PM
Jun 2020

We've also been helping out relatives who have seen their work evaporate because of this virus. We're lucky that's not us. Our adult children are lucky as well since their work is largely accomplished over the internet. The shift from working at the office to working from their homes wasn't traumatic; no worse than cats or dogs getting between them and their web cams.

I've worked at home for a long time, my wife is working at home now one or two days a week, which is new to her. Alas, she is a front line medical professional and still has to touch many people who may be infected with this virus. When she gets home from work she throws her clothing and stuff in the "biohazard" bin and heads straight for the shower.

People who are unemployed because they worked in these movie theaters, restaurants, etc., are getting food at the food bank. They are sheltering with, or they are being subsidized by, people who haven't been unemployed by the virus.

It's the same food and shelter either way so that's a negligible factor so far as "the economy" goes. People have to eat, people have to have shelter. The people who are just scraping by will continue to scrape by, unemployed or not. They are not "the economy."

The impact to the economy comes when some very affluent person indefinitely postpones a seven day luxury class Disney World vacation, shopping for a new boat or car, flying to Paris, etc..

My wife and I haven't had a credit card for many years now, not since we were crushed by medical bills and almost lost our house. Yes, we did have "good" health insurance then, and we do now again, but it was no fun running a COBRA to the bitter end.

It took all the fun out credit cards after I foolishly brought one to a Hospital Emergency Room. I'll never forget that, thus I am not party to this credit card statistic.

Phoenix61

(17,002 posts)
3. Those at the bottom are spending on what they
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 07:27 PM
Jun 2020

need. People at the top shop for fun. A lot of them have bailed from the cities and are at their vacation homes or out of country. It’s why trickle down economics doesn’t work (one reason).

bucolic_frolic

(43,128 posts)
4. Wealthy people use assets to protect their own wealth
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 07:29 PM
Jun 2020

They only spend from the profits that flow through their businesses. They are concerned about inflation, the stock market, and physical assets - their homes and precious metals.

Midnight Writer

(21,745 posts)
5. This is exactly why tax cuts for the rich don't help. Working people spend every dime.
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 07:31 PM
Jun 2020

By increasing available capital to working folk, through pay raises, benefits, affordable health care, etc., more money goes into driving the economy forward.

Giving money to the rich just means the rich accumulate more money, with relatively little economic stimulus value.

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
6. I am very concerned.
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 07:31 PM
Jun 2020

Is there anything more we can do to help the wealthiest. I mean, our wealth has been gushing up to them in their giant, TaxBreak Hoover, but maybe that's just not enough?

Maybe we can sell all of our stuff and send the money to them? Perhaps several GoFundMe's could be started to get an emergency fine wine and expensive cheese fund going right away?

I also imagine that, if we all sell our blood plasma, skip meals and forgo any "poor people" luxuries, we could somehow manage to compassionately quell their addiction, I mean economic misery to some degree. This will have to be a national effort and it might be time for a No Taxes for the Wealthy, (at all) bill to be written and passed. It's a dire emergency for sure, and hey, we are more like cattle, so what do we matter?

Important people must be treated importantly and with the obvious priorities observed. No time to waste!

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
7. If the only part of the economy to tank
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 07:53 PM
Jun 2020

was the fashion-and-frills industry, that's fine by me. No one needs to spend hundreds of dollars for a purse.

ProfessorGAC

(64,995 posts)
9. Don't Forget $2,000-3,000 Shoes
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 07:59 PM
Jun 2020

And that's not the Jewell encrusted mega shoes.
Just shoes in a box.
I saw a pair of men's low instep laced, natural tan shoes. $2,999. If those aren't coming off the shelves, that's fine.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
14. OMG!
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 10:24 PM
Jun 2020

I get my shoes from Big 5 sporting goods, when I'm out in the Pacific Northwest, about $30 a pair. Wow, can people piddle away money!

unblock

(52,196 posts)
8. this is why giving money to the poor is far better at stimulating the economy
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 07:57 PM
Jun 2020

giving money to the rich can be helpful, but only in very specific situations involving a shortage of investment capital, which isn't usually the problem.

each dollar given to the rich adds a fraction to the economy because some they save, some they send overseas.

each dollar given to the poor adds around more than two dollars to the economy because they spend all of it, and mostly locally, where it is then spent again.

Response to unblock (Reply #8)

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
15. The correct term is not "giving more money to the poor".
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 10:39 PM
Jun 2020

That sounds like working poor people are not busting their asses for meager salaries. The correct term is pay people more for helping to produce wealth, accept that paying one's fare share of taxes not only help's society, but actually make rich people richer as people spend money of the products and services that rich people make or provide.

unblock

(52,196 posts)
16. Agreed, my shorthand was sloppy
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 11:05 PM
Jun 2020

I'll go one further -- rich people hardly make or produce anything. The rest of us do.

The vast majority of further wealth rich people accumulate is from charging economic rents on their assets and leveraging their power and status.

Their most productive contribution is innovation and distribution, not invention or manufacturing.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
18. Agree with all, in particular the last sentence.
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 11:15 PM
Jun 2020

Money dominates innovation and distribution. Invention is not the same as innovation, invention is a clean break to something new, innovation is better tweaks off a defined base.

While I agree with the gist of your last sentence, my argument is that money controls all four, and therein lays society's problem. Money can fund many tweaks that allow it to control industries. Money controls distribution, a person can have invented the greatest new thing, but unless money gets behind that, the most likely outcome is failure and obscurity, there are periodic exceptions to that, where an invention is so earth shattering that the inventor can muscle his or her way into markets.

unblock

(52,196 posts)
19. If you want to get depressed about it, read up on the invention of intermittent windshield wipers
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 11:34 PM
Jun 2020

Genius invention, every driver who's ever been in the rain loves it. But how to make money off it? You can't without agreement from the car makers who control the only platform where it has value.

They used his invention and it helped sell millions of cars and he couldn't get paid for over a decade. And this engineering genius had to spend his time as an amateur litigator to get what he got.

House of Roberts

(5,168 posts)
11. I'm not spending much at all.
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 08:09 PM
Jun 2020

"...even as their lower-income counterparts are spending a lot more freely..."

Until I hear more unemployment is in the pipeline, or I get a direct-hire job, I'm hanging onto every dime I can. Groceries are starting to be a little cheaper, and gas is still low, but I have nowhere to go.

I mow my ex's yard every couple of weeks, but even then the trip gets combined with a trip to get groceries.

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
20. I Am Not Buying This Talking Point
Thu Jun 18, 2020, 10:14 PM
Jun 2020

I am not buying the idea that the economy is struggling because rich people have stopped spending. I think the economy is struggling because middle class people have less money to spend.

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