Pelosi Orders Removal of Four Portraits

[RandySF]

Speaker Nancy Pelosi has directed the Clerk of the House to remove portraits of four former speakers who served in the Confederacy, the Wall Street Journal reports.

The Speakers: Robert Hunter (1839-1841), Howell Cobb (1849-1851), James Orr (1857-1859), and Charles Crisp (1891-1895).

They will be removed on Juneteenth.



https://politicalwire.com/2020/06/18/pelosi-orders-removal-of-four-portraits/

[delisen]

1. Time to review the statues in Statuary Hall. n/t

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

13. Yup.

[lagomorph777]

34. She's already done so, and is pressing to remove some.

I endorse her plan.

[delisen]

43. Thanks for the information. n/t

[3catwoman3]

2. It's been said recently that Trump is the second president...

...of the Confederacy. Can Joe Biden refuse to let Trump’s portrait be hung?

The fact that President Pbama’s portrait has to be flanked on the left by Bush and the right by Trump just galls me.

[NewDayOranges]

10. I think Pres Biden should refuse to allow

The portrait of Trump to mounted in the WH and then demand that Obama's portrait be mounted ASAP!

I know this is petty, but I don't care!

[calimary]

28. It could certainly be hung in some downstairs bathroom.

Or - where's the plumbing that routes to some of the bathrooms? I'm assuming it's downstairs in the basement or some such place (?). Hang it there!

Then, it can flatly, absolutely, and truthfully be said that "YES, it's hanging in the White House." And you can pass a polygraph test on it.

Because you know the Grate Aggrieved all over Dumbfuckistan will yowl and whine about the unfairness of it being left out! "Presidential Portrait!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaa!!! MUST hang in the White House!!!"

If it were personally up to me, as far as that little "if I were president" game I play, I'm honestly not sure which way I'd go on this. A BIG part of me wouldn't want it anywhere near me OR the White House if I were president. I doubt I'd want it in the collection at all, since I personally still believe he was NOT legitimately elected, therefore his so-called "presidency" is illegitimate. And the last thing I'd want to do is, in any way, to validate his so-called "election" in 2016. I would NOT be interested in anything that would give even the slightest appearance of validating that election.

HOWEVER, the joy of being able to throw it back in their faces "YES it's hanging in the White House" and yank their stupid talking point outta their stupid mouths sounds pretty doggone sweet to me. Especially when you consider WHERE I (the President) would already have directed to have it hung.

Needless to say, it wouldn't be in any place where it could be seen. By the public during White House tours, or by staff and VIPs in private.

[lagomorph777]

36. Hang it in the bathroom, in this format:

[AnotherDreamWeaver]

41. How about in the bunker

facing the wall, with flowers painted on the back side.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

37. tRump is not well hung and has no prospect of becoming well hung. . . . nt

[dalton99a]

3. Also get rid of this traitor:

Jefferson Davis

[sandensea]

15. +1

What the hell is that summabitch still doing there!

Why don't they put up an Osama bin Laden statue while they're at it.

He gave Bush and the Republicans so much, after all.

[caraher]

25. That's on Mississippi

I was shocked to learn of this and did a little reading - it turns out that each state contributes 2 statues of their choice. The Jefferson Davis statue was installed in 1931. States change their statues from time to time - Michigan pulled an older one in favor of a Gerald Ford statue not too long ago.

[sandensea]

32. Thank you. Can't say I'm all that surprised.

I lived down there for several years. And while there are many moderate and progressive white voters there who abhor that "tradition," to most white voters the Antebellum/Confederate era is "heritage."

Which they speak of in the same reverent tone a priest might use to describe something sacred.

This is mostly the Republicans, of course.

[lunatica]

24. Open a museum named The Dark Side Of US History

Be sure to make it a large one because we have plenty of material. Depictions of General Custer could be one example. We have plenty more.

That way we won’t be trying to rewrite history like the Republicans have done.

[Another Jackalope]

29. Name it after Howard Zinn... nt

[fleur-de-lisa]

4. I wonder where they will go.

My first thought is to just burn the portraits, but they are a part of history. I certainly don't want some future republican speaker to drag them out of storage and hang them again.

Maybe they can be permanently gifted to some museum, but only on the condition that they can never be returned to the House or hung in public.

[mopinko]

6. bury them in the basement of the smithsonian.

[soothsayer]

8. Exactly

[fleur-de-lisa]

9. Ha!

[mopinko]

11. ha! gmta. thank you.

exactly the picture in my mind when i typed those words.

[jaxexpat]

16. or under meters of volcanic ash to be rediscovered in a couple thousand years

[mopinko]

18. that works, too. but

better do it in deep dark secret or it will become a shrine.

[jaxexpat]

33. Remember Pompeii had portions re-entombed because they were considered obscene?

I think trumps remains will fall along those lines.

[mopinko]

35. i did not know that. i'm not surprised, but....

i keep saying i want to see the catholic church picked clean. all the vatican art collection on the auction block. esp the "dirty" bits in the lowest cellar.

[jaxexpat]

38. If the priests continue their games the whole place may end up a....

Garage sale. Lawyers gotta eat too.

[mopinko]

40. lawyers are already coming.

boston archdiocease can go first. since bernard law gives communion to the alleged francis.

[onecaliberal]

21. Good idea.

[onetexan]

12. In the WH bunker

[mnmoderatedem]

22. Mar-a-Lago?

[albacore]

5. Notice that Charles Crisp ...

..served in Congress, and as Speaker, long after the war.

AFTER he served the Confederacy.

Turncoat to both sides.

[SCantiGOP]

7. Crisp in the 1890's

That was when the South was stripping the vote from black citizens and locking in Jim Crow. So, he was serving the Confederacy far better than he could have during the war.
I’ve always contended it took the South 100 years to win the Civil War. By 1960 they controlled every major Senate Committee by using the seniority system. They also had a House Speakers like Sam Rayburn and Carl Albert.

[MyOwnPeace]

14. There's always a "but......."

Lyndon Johnson was from Texas and he forced through some wonderful laws and statutes - the Clean Air Act, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and the Social Security Amendments of 1965, creating two government-run healthcare programs, Medicare and Medicaid.

[SCantiGOP]

19. No doubt

There were a lot of very progressive populists in the South, but the majority around 1960 were unreconstructed Confederates.
That is why most states put the rebel flag up in 1960, supposedly to mark the 100th anniversary of the start of the war. Actually, it was to send a message to their black population -- that the same people who were in charge in 1860 are still in charge, and you can ignore that fact at your own peril.

[MyOwnPeace]

20. I don't argue that a bit!

Just didn't want anybody to paint "they all do it" over the region. Heaven knows there are plenty of similar thinking supporters in other regions of these United States.

[SCantiGOP]

27. One of my Senators from back then

Fritz Hollings was a good example of how someone could overcome racism and be a major force for good later in his career.
He was born in 1922, so there were still Confederate veterans alive to share their personal stories of the Civil War.
He said that he didn't really question the Jim Crow racism of his youth, but had a defining moment as a young man near the end of WW2.
He was at a restaurant in South Carolina when a small group of soldiers brought in several dozen Nazi prisoners, who were performing chain gang type work while being held at a camp in SC. They were ushered into a room in the back of the restaurant with a couple of white soldiers, but he noticed that the black US soldiers had to go around the back, order through a window, and eat their lunch on wooden tables out in the cold.
It hit him that these soldiers, who were serving their country and willing to fight and die for it, were not treated with the same humanity and respect as the Nazi prisoners who had tried to kill Americans and would have overthrown our country if able.
He said he never viewed race issues the same after that incident.

Near the end of his life Hollings requested that the Federal Courthouse named for him in Charleston be renamed for Judge Julius Waring.
Waring, who was appointed by FDR in 1942, had ruled in favor of clients (their attorney was Thurgood Marshall) in a 1951 civil rights case in SC. That decision became the foundation for the US Supreme Court landmark decision in Brown vs Board of Education in 1954, which ended school desegregation in the United States.
It is the only known case of a person asking to have his name removed from a federal courthouse in the US. Hollings said that Waring's courage and lifetime work made him deserving of the honor.

[crickets]

30. Wow. Thank you so much for sharing this. nt

[struggle4progress]

17. "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them,

or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort"

In July 1861, Confederate President Jefferson Davis appointed Hunter the Confederate States Secretary of State. He resigned on February 18, 1862, after his election as a Confederate Senator. Hunter served in the Confederate Senate in Richmond, Virginia until the war's end, and was at times President pro tem. His portrait appeared on the Confederate $10 bill

Cobb joined the Confederate army and ... was ... assigned command of a brigade in what became the Army of Northern Virginia

After .. the outbreak of the .. Civil War, Orr organized and commanded Orr's Regiment of South Carolina Rifles

Crisp .. enlisted in .. the "Page Volunteers" of Company K, 10th Virginia Infantry, and .. served with that regiment until May 12, 1864, when he became a prisoner of war at the Battle of Spotsylvania Court House

[Hermit-The-Prog]

23. We should not honor traitors and enemies of the nation.

[Evolve Dammit]

26. awesome

[crickets]

31. Thank you, Nancy Pelosi. You are doing such a wonderful job for our country. nt

[Hortensis]

39. They'll be stored safely or displayed in a museum, with

explanations, where only those who want to see them will.

[Hugin]

42. Now let's get to work on that pesky section of the Constitutional Amendment allowing...

prisoner slave labor.

Strike now while the iron's hot.

Also, an ERA would be nice.