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Thu Jun 18, 2020, 12:11 PM

Someone asked what causes people to amass lots of assault weapons.

A couple of reasons mentioned were fear and power.

I replied and a very nice poster suggested I make it an OP.

I hope this post is helpful. I decided to add a link to the web site I mentioned.

I think it is a little bit of both.

A lot of them are poor, dumb white guys who haven't spent much time around anyone but other white people. They get told horror stories and believe them because they have no basis for comparison.

A lot are rich, conniving white guys with an agenda who know better and want their cushy little world to stay the way they want it. These are usually the ones telling the poor, dumb ones the horror stories and suggesting they buy more and more guns. And yes, I'm talking about at least The Republican Party and other people too, who are right in there with them doing this stuff, on purpose.

A good read is on the Southern Poverty Law Center's web site. The white supremacist, and I hate to call them that, because there is nothing supreme about them, groups aka hate groups, prey on the poor, dumb white guys and build their self esteem up while simultaneously poisoning their minds. That creates a feedback loop of associating bigotry with power. They want that power like the richer white guys, the leaders of these groups, have. So, they become hardcore and build up these weapons caches. Often, they find themselves running drugs and guns, illegally, of course, for the richer white guys who recruited them. The easiest way to look it up and read it is to read about one of the members of a hate group who turned himself around, married a Palestinian woman, and now travels the country talking about what turned him around. He explains the psychology involved.

There is a definite psychology involved.

Most of the racists are not actually IN hate groups, but they do have contact with them. They are poorer than dirt and the hate groups build up their self esteem, by preying on them, poisoning their minds, getting them to do the dirty work, like hate crimes, bombings, drug and gun running, etc. then let them go to jail for their own crimes. Of course, they should go to jail for their own crimes. They committed them. The people who put them up to those crimes are the first ones to cry "lone wolf" and go on back to their rich, white lives and do it all again. They hardly EVER go to prison. They are actually dangerous too, but they rarely ever go to prison.

It's messed up. I've been reading about this for years and trying to get others involved in learning more about how they do things, and try to think of ways to counteract them, but it involves quite a bit more reading and studying and most people don't normally have time to do it, I guess.

Anywhere you start on the Southern Poverty Law Center web site will show you more than you ever knew, especially about just how involved The Republican Party is with the hate groups and just how many people are not actually IN hate groups, but still are in contact with them and do quite a bit of their dirty work. So, the richer ones in the hate groups can keep right on going without ever going to prison for the crap they do.

So, actually, I think it is a little bit of both. There is a lot of fear from the ones who are not wealthy, don't know anything about other races, but have been told to fear them. And the richer ones want to keep their cushy lives where they are in power over the vast majority of the population and they want it to stay that way. Look how Tucker Carlson acts. He is a classic example of one of the more mainstream richer ones who tells horror stories based on total lies he also tells. He is not the only one. He is just one that is well known. Most doing this stuff are not as well known. That is how they get by with it. They don't get caught, because lots of people don't see them doing it.

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Reply Someone asked what causes people to amass lots of assault weapons. (Original post)
Jamastiene Jun 2020 OP
no_hypocrisy Jun 2020 #1
Marrah_Goodman Jun 2020 #9
WyattKansas Jun 2020 #2
Steelrolled Jun 2020 #3
ThoughtCriminal Jun 2020 #4
procon Jun 2020 #5
crickets Jun 2020 #6
Brainfodder Jun 2020 #7
Amishman Jun 2020 #8
Mopar151 Jun 2020 #10
struggle4progress Jun 2020 #11
jmg257 Jun 2020 #12

Response to Jamastiene (Original post)

Thu Jun 18, 2020, 12:21 PM

1. Assault weapons give the illusion of providing power to the powerless.

Sort of like having a lot of money. But they don't have money.

Weapons and money when aimed at a target compels respect (if only fleetingly), fear, authority, intelligence, superiority, and a boost in the socio-economic strata.

I've had someone threaten me with his Magnum. You bet I listened to everything he said at the moment. We were no longer equal. He had the upper hand and there was nothing I could do about it.

En masse, I'd say the NRA and their advocacy of all kinds of weapons has given confidence and/or arrogance to members of Society who still feel oppressed, forgotten, not respected, unheard, and have no hope of advancing their level in Society.

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Response to no_hypocrisy (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 18, 2020, 03:27 PM

9. I was just going to say the same thing

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Response to Jamastiene (Original post)

Thu Jun 18, 2020, 12:29 PM

2. I remember a few years ago a fellow worker bragging about his assault rifle...

I just looked at him in front of others and asked, what he got out of it.
The guy answered, 'Because it's fun to blast the shit out of things.'
I just simply said with everyone watching the conversation, 'At some point, you have to grow the hell up.' And then walked away.
It left everyone speechless and there was nothing more said by anyone.
Just silence as everyone went back to work.

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Response to Jamastiene (Original post)

Thu Jun 18, 2020, 12:29 PM

3. Another consideration is that some people really like to collect things

 

PEZ dispensers, typewriters, etc. I kinda feel it, but not enough to actually do it.

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Response to Jamastiene (Original post)

Thu Jun 18, 2020, 01:01 PM

4. From my previous discussions with a few "Collectors"

They spend a lot of time worrying about scenarios where they might not have the "Right Type" of weapon for a specific situation. It can get vague if you press them on what exactly those situations are but I get the impression that zombie uprising, aftifa blitzkrieg, "Civil unrest, alien invasion, "Red Dawn" surprise attack, etc. are often code words for "Race War".


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Response to Jamastiene (Original post)

Thu Jun 18, 2020, 01:38 PM

5. I agree with every point you make.

Let me add another aspect of this Poverty = Hate Syndrome, politics.

Specifically, the Republican party, who promotes fear and hate against everything they disagree with. It's boils down to power. In order to retain their power status as a viable national party, they must secure a majority of voter acceptance.

The GOP can no longer do that. The only way most Republicans can get elected is by chicanery, cheating and deception. TBTB, searching to expand their incredibly shrinking base, is actively recruiting from the dregs of society who are enthusiastically motivated by their own shortcomings to seek camaraderie in the coded language, the public support and like-minded beliefs thrown out by Republican politicians who assure them that their hate is well justified in the new culture of violence they are propagating.

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Response to Jamastiene (Original post)

Thu Jun 18, 2020, 02:50 PM

6. K&R for the post and the discussion.

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Response to Jamastiene (Original post)

Thu Jun 18, 2020, 02:56 PM

7. Guns are rebellious symbols and as we learn more about the symbol-minded.....

Ode to George Carlin there.

You can't fix or explain stupidity?

I thought this, and because I think this, this and that make perfect sense? (to them)

Dumb people though can change, but they don't go seeking out knowledge, part of them being stupid?




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Response to Jamastiene (Original post)

Thu Jun 18, 2020, 03:24 PM

8. Some just have a horder mentality

My (often mentioned) brother in law fits this category.

Last time I asked he said he has around 200 guns. He has several actual legal machine guns. He definitely enjoys shooting, but I'd say the biggest reason he has so many is a horder / collector mentality. I'd describe it as deadly Pokemon, gotta collect them all.

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Response to Amishman (Reply #8)

Thu Jun 18, 2020, 05:00 PM

10. I know several competition shooters, and some serious hunters.

Including the kindly old machinist with a garage full of machine guns. And a couple of the real, obsessive creeper mysoginists - "mentors" to the INCEL movement.

The serious collectors, frankly, scare me less that the BATF cowboys who would be sent to "clean them out". Double that for local LEO's, some of who have a serious envy thing built into their gun fetish.
If I ran the zoo, serious collectors would have serious safety & security plans, else the "red-headed stepchild" shoot up the neighborhood. That happened to an LEO friend of mine, who took 2 rounds in the leg, and was saved by an ambulance guy who went full combat medic, belly crawling under fire, to save him. Over 200 rounds fired!

My friend the deer harvester, will not keep a loaded gun in his house. In his words : "I'm not doing 5 to 15, just because some asshole pissed me off! And I've been that pissed off!" (I know the asshole of whom he speaks, he's not wrong...) And our favorite welder chimes in - "Yeah, B_______ worked for me! He's worth killin, but he's not worth doin the time for!" The "rifle club guys" with the Olympic style rifles, are scared as hell of the open carry crowd. "She's carryin a kid on her hip, and he keeps kickin the holster! Son of a bitch, I could't wait to get away!" I notice that the kids, of the hunters I grew up with, are VERY selective & careful about hunting companions. "F*&^ That! He turns to talk to you, and he's pointin the gun at your feet!"

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Response to Jamastiene (Original post)

Thu Jun 18, 2020, 05:10 PM

11. Gunslinger fantasies ?

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Response to Jamastiene (Original post)

Thu Jun 18, 2020, 05:45 PM

12. Don't forget - Guns are a blast to shoot. And once you have 1

There is always another model another caliber another style.


Sometimes just having stuff is fun.

Guitars... electric acoustic. Martin Gibson fender. Guns... Rifles, Shotguns, Pistols....semi revolvers double barrel, bolt action. Fishing poles... bass trout fly rods deep seas. Bows... compound recurve Books.history, fiction, how to, Bikes...mountain cross country, road. Shoes....dress casual sneakers work.

Whatever.

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