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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDemocrats Favor Kamala Harris For VP By Wide Margin, Poll Finds
The new poll comes as anti-racist protests across the country have resulted in enormous change, from the removal of confederate monuments to sweeping police reform in dozens of states and localities. Internally, there is a strong push for Biden to pick a black running mate like Harris as an olive branch to the black voters that make up the core of the Democratic party and propelled him to the nomination. One member of Bidens VP selection committee is Rep. Lisa Blunt Rochester (D-Del.), a black woman, who reportedly holds much influence in Bidens decision.
33%. Among Bidens base, the desire for Harris is even more stark. 33% of Bidens primary voters said they prefer Harris. Among Sanders voters, arguably the Democratic constituency Biden most needs to win over, Warren is favored by 22% while Harris is at 18%.
Source, including links to polling questions, etc.: https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/06/18/democrats-favor-kamala-harris-for-vp-by-wide-margin-poll-finds/#4ffb414c6da9
Monmouth poll:
28% @KamalaHarris
13% @EWarren
12% @AmyKlobuchar
10% @StaceyAbrams
7% @RepValDemings
3% @MichelleObama
2% @AmbassadorRice / @KeishaBottoms / @GretchenWhitmer
Link to tweet
Wounded Bear
(58,598 posts)Then have her take over in '24 maybe.
Sounds like a plan.
PunkinPi
(4,874 posts)liberalgunwilltravel
(325 posts)I would prefer Harris as AG. There will be problems because of her prosecutorial history. I like her, I think she's smart and I think she is thorough, but a much better fit as AG. If she does get the VP nod then maybe Adam Schiff as AG?
irisblue
(32,927 posts)Source--https://www.latimes.com/local/political/la-me-pc-harris-holder-20140925-story.html
snip--"Harris, a Democrat, has been considered a possible candidate to replace Holder, who announced his resignation Thursday. But her office released a statement suggesting she has little interest in the position now."
A bit more at the article
irisblue
(32,927 posts)Cha
(296,797 posts)Interesting how things change
it's amazing how current events can change things. Hope you're well.
Cha
(296,797 posts)steeped in history.
I'm doing ok.. I hope you & yours are doing well!
PunkinPi
(4,874 posts)Glad you're okay. We're hanging in there.
Docreed2003
(16,850 posts)PunkinPi
(4,874 posts)jorgevlorgan
(8,278 posts)If he is smart he will pick a popular midwesterner in a state she can flip from red to blue. Ie Gretchen Whitmer.
roamer65
(36,744 posts)There will be NO repeat of 2016 in this state.
jorgevlorgan
(8,278 posts)She would help in those states being a popular midwestern governor. Also every Michigander knows that Ohio is basically an extension of Michigan or vice versa
roamer65
(36,744 posts)We got the better part of that deal.
True on WI, OH and PA.
jorgevlorgan
(8,278 posts)I wonder how much it cost to build that bridge...
roamer65
(36,744 posts)roamer65
(36,744 posts)Then the Mackinac Bridge spanned the straits.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mackinac_Bridge
BannonsLiver
(16,294 posts)Picks based on geography are outdated. Neither the GOP or Dems have had one based on that since 2004. Before Edwards youd have to go back to Gore in 92. Cheney wasnt a regional pick either. Neither was Palin or Pence. And obviously Biden wasnt in 2008. There are other considerations.
karynnj
(59,498 posts)Adding some on from Tennessee is doubling down on one area not adding an area. In 2004, it was explained that Edwards was not chosen for geography, but for personal pluses he showed in the primary.
Both the media and many powerful people in the Democratic party were impressed by Edwards. The media had plenty of articles claiming that the only reason he might not be picked is because Kerry feared being overshadowed by the charismatic Edwards. They never explained why, if he was SO charismatic, Kerry easily defeated him. The good press did lead to polls adding him as VP helping more than others and both Bill Clinton and Ted Kennedy praised the idea of adding him. In reality, he was a terrible pick because he was not the engaged Edwards of the primary and he refused to be a team player and was only concerned about how things reflected on him. It is clear he wanted the position just to set himself up for 2008.
This year, like 2004, the person who easily won the nomination is publicly being told he needs the excitement of a good VP pick. In 2008, it was repeated that Kerry advised Obama to pick a VP he wanted to have at his side to run the country. I always wondered if that was a bit instinct he wished he would have followed when told by many his best chances were with taking Edwards, who otherwise would not have been his choice.
Cosmocat
(14,558 posts)Not sure a "Midwesterner" moves the needle in pa vs KH. KH would probably lock down the black vote.
irisblue
(32,927 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)jorgevlorgan
(8,278 posts)So no
roamer65
(36,744 posts)She has proven experience in DC and as Californias AG.
Her seat is a safe Democratic seat as well.
jorgevlorgan
(8,278 posts)And isnt up for re election for a few years. Garlin Gilchrist is amazing.
roamer65
(36,744 posts)brush
(53,740 posts)jorgevlorgan
(8,278 posts)Picking a former DA who didnt prosecute cops in a time when DAs who dont prosecute cops is helping cause civil unrest, is even less smart. Also, she's from california. A double whammy, really.
brush
(53,740 posts)Again, an all-white ticket at this time is just not smart.
jorgevlorgan
(8,278 posts)brush
(53,740 posts)jorgevlorgan
(8,278 posts)But maybe not.
Also you failed to answer my question, and reverted to insults.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)has been held only by white people, as if a person's skin color had never before been a consideration. Not saying that's what you're doing, but you should be mindful that the argument you're using has a context.
jorgevlorgan
(8,278 posts)Unfortunately, we seem to only have 2 on the shortlist and both come from law enforcement. :/
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)come from that is seen by white people as making them "qualified" for higher offices?
Black folk who come up through other ways are looked at with distrust by many white people - as if they are either lightweights or liberal flakes. Just look at how people sneered at Obama's background as a community organizer and law professor.
I find it repugnant that black people are being punished by liberals for working in fields that desperately cry out for more, not less, black representation.
jorgevlorgan
(8,278 posts)Let me name a few: Garlin Gilchrist, Ayanna Pressley, Cory Booker, Keith Ellison, Stacey Abrams, and nearly everybody in the CBC.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)I didn't say that NO black person ever achieves high office if they haven't been in law enforcement. I said that "law enforcement is one of the few areas that a black person can come from that is seen by white people as making them "qualified" for higher offices."
Naming one of only three black senators, one lieutenant governor, one former state legislator, 50 CBC Members (especially since you likely have no idea how many members of the CBC had previously worked in law enforcement), and a former congressman who is now his state's chief law enforcement officer, does nothing to counter my point - in fact, you're helping to make it.
jorgevlorgan
(8,278 posts)Only a very few number of people in general get to higher office in law enforcement. it is ridiculous to assume that because they are law enforcement then they are more qualified than all the others. Also trying to suggest somebody is racist because they think that a person's qualifications should not include law enforcement at a time of civil unrest against law enforcement, is patently insane.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)I said that many white people are more likely to think they're more qualified. Two different things.
jorgevlorgan
(8,278 posts)Based on what some white people think. In fact, white people seem to have found Obama plenty credible when they helped elect him to two terms. He also had no law enforcement experience.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)I never said that. I simply pointed out that it doesn't make sense to claim that a black person is somehow disqualified from higher office (e.g., president, vice president) because they worked in law enforcement.
JI7
(89,239 posts)white people feel better about voting for Obama.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Of course ...
JI7
(89,239 posts)honest.abe
(8,614 posts)Harris brings charisma, charm, energy, quick wit, intelligence and an added bonus being a woman and a minority. She matches up very well with Joe. I think its a winner if he selects her.
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)The VP will secure our base.
marmar
(77,052 posts)JI7
(89,239 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)People arguing that Kamala shouldn't be the nominee because we needed someone like Joe who would appeal to the white working class in the industrial states.
So Joe's getting the nomination but we're being told that Kamala shouldn't be his running mate because he needs someone who will appeal to the white working class in the industrial states.
Huh?
BComplex
(8,017 posts)I don't think it's that overwhelming for Harris over all.
Plus, I'd like to see some independents weigh in.
Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)Not the greatest header. Wide margin doesn't mean a heck of a lot when overall support level is so low.
I didn't want Kamala Harris anywhere near the presidential slot. I guess she wouldn't be awful for vice president. However, I have hosted enough debate watching parties to know that her personality is not going to fare well with female swing voters. They are absolutely vicious in how they evaluate fellow women.
I prefer Klobuchar. She sets up better in terms of winning terms on her own if Biden doesn't seek 2024.
BComplex
(8,017 posts)Unfortunately this is true.
Martin Eden
(12,843 posts)The posturing and unfair attacks against Biden by Harris in the debates were the big turnoff for my wife, and to a lesser degree myself.
I want the VP choice to accomplish two things:
1) GOTV to win the election.
2) Provide someone capable of handling the presidency and helping Democrats win all three branches in both 2020 and 2024.
I don't know who is the best choice. I trust that Biden's team is much more qualified than I to make that decision.
BComplex
(8,017 posts)She seems like "one of the mean girls in school" to a lot of people.
I think Stacy Abrams would be a better choice, if we can't have Elizabeth Warren.
brush
(53,740 posts)Are you not at all aware of all the protests going on in the country because of racism. An all-white ticket would be a terrible look for us, especially since the black vote is what save Biden's campaign and got him the nomination.
honest.abe
(8,614 posts)Klobuchar will not be VP.
ooky
(8,906 posts)I am more than happy to support the popular choice in this case, it makes sense.
Wonder what the process would be to backfill her Senate seat?
PunkinPi
(4,874 posts)no shortage of talent from CA (Adam Schiff, Katie Porter, Barbara Lee, Ted Lieu, Eric Swalwell, etc.).
And thanks.
PunkinPi
(4,874 posts)BComplex
(8,017 posts)Oh yeah!!
PunkinPi
(4,874 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,167 posts)Do it.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)supposed to be voting for Biden no matter who he picks?
It's that 2/3 or so so of voters who do NOT identify as Democrats who we have to attract.
Personally, I think Harris has the best shot at bringing in those fringes-- put her out there and that smile will be irresistible.
Michelle says she doesn't want it and Warren is too cold and left wing to attract newcomers. Other than that, any of those women, and a few dozen others, would be great choices.
But, it's up to Joe.
PunkinPi
(4,874 posts)As far as independents and disaffected republicans/never-trumpers. I've seen Nicolle Wallace, Jennifer Rubin and Ana Navaro have good things to say about Harris. I think she would do well with suburban white women too.
dixiechiken1
(2,113 posts)Gotta say, that's the first time I've ever heard that. Just curious, why do you think so?
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)dixiechiken1
(2,113 posts)As I said, just curious.
Ba2020
(20 posts)Warren does come off a tad cold at times. Her instincts are not great. That said she is more suited for a cabinet rule. I think Harris is the top pick. She has experience and charisma to boot.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)They also don't say they're "too animated" or "smile too much."
Marrah_Goodman
(1,586 posts)I find Harris to be the one who seems stern and cold.
But, as you say, it's up to Joe. I will vote for him regardless of who he picks.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,729 posts)She's my first choice.
Paladin
(28,243 posts)Gothmog
(144,908 posts)onetexan
(13,020 posts)Mighty fine list of beautiful and tremendously talented Democratic women!!
tritsofme
(17,369 posts)I would be surprised if it wasnt her.
Andy823
(11,495 posts)honest.abe
(8,614 posts)PunkinPi
(4,874 posts)honest.abe
(8,614 posts)BTW, I just got a text from JoeBiden to vote for VP.
I voted for Kamala.. of course!
PunkinPi
(4,874 posts)NNadir
(33,464 posts)scarytomcat
(1,706 posts)could be a winner
SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)I would support that ticket in a New York minute.
Blasphemer
(3,261 posts)The only box she doesn't tick is the geographic one and I don't think that will matter in 2020.
ashredux
(2,599 posts)quickesst
(6,280 posts).... I would be wary of someone who has tried to throw me under the bus several times. Of course, those attempts backfired spectacularly, and that along with barely garnering 5% of the black vote led to her dropping out of the primary. Should I expect push back on what I said? Of the numerous times I have said the same thing, no one has yet.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,102 posts)chia
(2,244 posts)scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)she's not interested in pursuing a political career?
paleotn
(17,879 posts)It's time for a woman and particularly a woman of color.
mcar
(42,278 posts)She'd be an excellent VP!
FailureToCommunicate
(14,007 posts)jimlup
(7,968 posts)but, I'm good with Kamala.
I'll be glad when the waiting is over!
boston bean
(36,218 posts)SunSeeker
(51,508 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)...qualified. I hope this isn't dragged out too much longer.
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)overall Democratic voting population, so they can't give a margin of error.
They say the main value of the poll is comparing the results from previous times.
sellitman
(11,605 posts)Why isn't Tammy included in all these dam polls?
Bullshit if you ask me.
Cha
(296,797 posts)PunkinPi
(4,874 posts)she was one of the first to defend Joe? She will have his back.
Link to tweet
Cha
(296,797 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)I think Biden's choice will not be one of those frequently mentioned in the media as among the top few.
I think we'll be very happy about his choice.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)She's absolutely perfect.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)I think Biden's choice will not be one of those frequently mentioned in the media as among the top few.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)as are the other wonderful women of color who are frequently mentioned.
Who do you think he will select?
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)womanofthehills
(8,658 posts)I would love to see her debate Pence.
Celerity
(43,081 posts)Lucinda
(31,170 posts)She will be great.
maximusveritas
(2,915 posts)Not saying that this helps Harris or others, but it is notable that 57% of the sample are from those 2 states, 55% are 65+, and 90% are white non-Latino.
IMO, I don't think like polls are useful in picking a VP candidate. It seems like it's mostly about people guessing at who they think might play the best politically when they really have no clue. They know they want a black woman and she's the one they know the best (other than Michelle). Demings is a stronger pick in many ways for me but she just doesn't have anywhere near the name recognition.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,221 posts)Marrah_Goodman
(1,586 posts)But to me, she is about as exciting as Tim Kaine.
PunkinPi
(4,874 posts)Marrah_Goodman
(1,586 posts)We all have a right to our own viewpoint.
PunkinPi
(4,874 posts)how she's remotely like Tim Kaine? Mind you, he's my senator, I've met him and voted for him, though a tad conservative for my taste.
Marrah_Goodman
(1,586 posts)She is not someone that makes me think " Wow I would really like to go see her speak". I felt the same way about Sen Kaine. They both get a "meh" from me.