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moose65

(3,166 posts)
Thu Jun 18, 2020, 03:08 PM Jun 2020

Increase the size of the House!!

I don't know why this idea hasn't gained more traction.

The size of the average US House district is now well over 700,000 people. In some of the states that only have 1 member of Congress, the size of that 1 district is well over a million people. That is WAY too many people for 1 Representative.

The size of the House hasn't been changed in over 100 years. It was routinely increased after every census - including 1910, when the size of the House was set at 435 members. After the 1920 census, the size was not increased, because there were a lot of Representatives who saw that large cities were full of immigrants, and they didn't want them to have more representation (sound familiar)?

We now have the same number of Reps that we did in 1911, before New Mexico, Arizona, Alaska, and Hawaii were states. The US population is now three times what it was then. Plus, women couldn't vote at that time, and neither could most African-American men. After the 2020 census, some states will lose Representatives, even though their populations increased. It's absolutely insane.

Plus, the number of electors is based on the number of Congressional districts. California is woefully under-represented in the Electoral College. California's population is almost 80 times that of Wyoming, but they only have 53 times as many representatives.

The Senate is already undemocratic. The House needs to make up for that!

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Increase the size of the House!! (Original Post) moose65 Jun 2020 OP
I agree 1000%, plus it is the easiest fix we can implement, tinrobot Jun 2020 #1
Reduce the influence of the Senate! Also, outlaw Gerrymandering! lagomorph777 Jun 2020 #2
Well, that's true, but.... moose65 Jun 2020 #16
Redistribute the EC, while you're at it Warpy Jun 2020 #3
Eliminate the Electoral College entirely. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2020 #4
I agree, the electoral college is out of date Bev54 Jun 2020 #5
The whole point of the Senate is to have PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2020 #7
the Senate is now obsolete, too RicROC Jun 2020 #13
I do believe the senate should also be on population Bev54 Jun 2020 #15
Yes, please! SharonClark Jun 2020 #6
Agreed! The EC should go. nt crickets Jun 2020 #9
You're "what abouting" my post, though 😃 moose65 Jun 2020 #10
I was responding to the third post here. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2020 #12
Sure, just wave a magic wand and it shall be done Warpy Jun 2020 #11
Expanding the number of House seats would automatically do that... Wounded Bear Jun 2020 #8
increase the # of seats depending on population RicROC Jun 2020 #14
I guess the next question would be: moose65 Jun 2020 #17
good points! RicROC Jun 2020 #18

tinrobot

(10,890 posts)
1. I agree 1000%, plus it is the easiest fix we can implement,
Thu Jun 18, 2020, 03:13 PM
Jun 2020

We can do it with a simple act of Congress.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
2. Reduce the influence of the Senate! Also, outlaw Gerrymandering!
Thu Jun 18, 2020, 03:14 PM
Jun 2020

That would be far more productive. The Senate was created to empower rural (slave) states over populous states so that slavery could be preserved. It is in direct opposition to equal rights under the law (i.e. you have disproportionately lower influence if your state is populous).

Outlawing Gerrymandering would make the House far more representative of the state's population.

moose65

(3,166 posts)
16. Well, that's true, but....
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 01:34 PM
Jun 2020

Already in these comments we are losing the focus! Enlarging the House has historical precedent and is easy to understand. It could also be explained as potentially helping both sides - conservatives in Massachusetts, for example, don’t have a voice right now. Of course, we know that it would overwhelmingly help Democrats, but we don’t have to brag about that 😃

Warpy

(111,222 posts)
3. Redistribute the EC, while you're at it
Thu Jun 18, 2020, 03:25 PM
Jun 2020

It's a stupid, antidemocratic anachronism that has been disastrous the three times it has overruled the wishes of the American people. Reapportioning it would end that, as depopulated states in the interior would have far less clout. I say that as a person from a low population state. It is insane to have a state with about 2,000,000 people has 5 electors, while CA, with a population 20 times that, has 55 electors, a factor of only 11. Clearly, this is utterly insane and open to horrific manipulation, which we saw both in 2000 and in 2016.

Getting rid of this dinosaur might prove problematic, constitutional amendments are very hard to get passed. Pulling its teeth would do about the same thing and the country would be better for it.

Instead of being a barrier to electing populist disasters, it has facilitated them.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,839 posts)
4. Eliminate the Electoral College entirely.
Thu Jun 18, 2020, 03:37 PM
Jun 2020

Under the current system, most people's votes simply don't count, especially if your preferred political party is in the minority in your state.

If we actually elected the President by popular vote, they'd have to campaign in more of the country. Or at least send good surrogates.

Bev54

(10,044 posts)
5. I agree, the electoral college is out of date
Thu Jun 18, 2020, 03:46 PM
Jun 2020

time for it to go. I would rather see the senate increased with relation to population more so than the house. If the senate was a true representative of the population, the dems would likely rule.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,839 posts)
7. The whole point of the Senate is to have
Thu Jun 18, 2020, 04:16 PM
Jun 2020

a separate body not influenced by population.

Not sure making number of senators population dependent is such a good idea.

RicROC

(1,204 posts)
13. the Senate is now obsolete, too
Thu Jun 18, 2020, 09:15 PM
Jun 2020

Get rid of the electoral College and while they are at it, get rid of the Senate.
Voter Representation should rely on population and not on land mass.

I do think that states should be represented by 'someone' who is elected by the entire state, as opposed from just a district.
Maybe combine the Senate with the House?

Bev54

(10,044 posts)
15. I do believe the senate should also be on population
Thu Jun 18, 2020, 10:07 PM
Jun 2020

and it is only Moscow Mitch that has made it redundant. If it worked properly with the house, it has its place, just not the way it is working now.

moose65

(3,166 posts)
10. You're "what abouting" my post, though 😃
Thu Jun 18, 2020, 05:02 PM
Jun 2020

My post was about increasing the size of the House. That’s it!

Warpy

(111,222 posts)
11. Sure, just wave a magic wand and it shall be done
Thu Jun 18, 2020, 05:03 PM
Jun 2020

The problem is that a lot of low population states would yowl about that and it would be a very tough sell both in Congress and to the states to get it repealed.

Reapportioning it wouldn't take an amendment. It would be a much easier process.

Wounded Bear

(58,618 posts)
8. Expanding the number of House seats would automatically do that...
Thu Jun 18, 2020, 04:19 PM
Jun 2020

Right now this is the core form of gerrymandering in place, that didproportionate representation of small, largely rural states.

Bumping the House by 50 seats would cure a lot of that.

RicROC

(1,204 posts)
14. increase the # of seats depending on population
Thu Jun 18, 2020, 09:35 PM
Jun 2020

1) Right now the # of Representatives is fixed. I suggest we 'uncouple' it from a fixed #. That after the census, every 10 years, the formulation of the House of Rep is changed based on a formula of population and not try to fit population into 435 seats or a fixed # of seats. It's' possible that the House could be increased to 600 members.

2) One positive result is that the # of people in each district is decreased, therefore, each Rep (or as I call it , MC Member of Congress) should be able to have more intimate and closer contact with his constituents.

3) and now for something completely different.....instead of gerrymandering, draw political districts based on school districts/combination of school districts.
Voters would have a much better idea what their voter districts look like.
For large population centers, draw districts based on the look of the high school draw area.

moose65

(3,166 posts)
17. I guess the next question would be:
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 01:45 PM
Jun 2020

How many seats should the House have? The population has tripled since the last increase, but I don’t know how well the idea of 1,300 Representatives would go over!

At the very least, the most egregious things need to be fixed:

DC needs a full-fledged voting member of the House. It should be treated just like a state in redistricting.

No state should lose representatives unless the population has decreased since the previous census.

There should be a formula for automatically increasing the House size after every census.

The number of Reps for NM, AZ, AK and HI should be added to the total, at least, since they weren’t states the last time the size was increased. Let’s see: Alaska has 1, Hawaii has 2, New Mexico has 3, and Arizona has 9. Along with 1 for DC, that’s 16 more seats at minimum. I think we need more to account for population growth. Here’s a random number: 90 more seats, for a total of 525.

RicROC

(1,204 posts)
18. good points!
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 07:51 PM
Jun 2020

You have good, thoughtfull ideas. I like the idea about those states who were admitted to the Union after the # of seats were fixed.

For a radical idea, combine the Senate and the House, take the # of seats per state, but save two of those seats for Senators who are elected by the entire state. can still call them Senators but each vote is equal to anyone else. Their term is longer.

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