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guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
Thu Jun 18, 2020, 04:53 PM Jun 2020

37% of Trump's followers might be unreachable, except by appeals to racism and greed.

A terrible indictment, but 37% is not a majority.

Many of us recognize that since 1968, the GOP platform has rested on the pillars of racism and greed.

Why greed? The rich support the GOP mainly because of greed. The GOP platform is based on deregulation of business and industry. The result is dirtier skies, polluted water, and ignoring climate change, but the upside for the rich is that their share grows larger.

Why racism? Because, as the outrage over the removal of Confederate statues shows, the US still has a large number of generally open racists. Appeals to "southern heritage" are generally coded language that partly disguises the racist foundation of a heritage that was based on slavery.

We may not be able to persuade the racists, or the greedy, but as 2018 showed, there are more of us than there are of them.

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37% of Trump's followers might be unreachable, except by appeals to racism and greed. (Original Post) guillaumeb Jun 2020 OP
That is over one third of the nation Miguelito Loveless Jun 2020 #1
Again, 2018 showed how to deal with this. guillaumeb Jun 2020 #3
it's a third of the voters Skittles Jun 2020 #10
One of the news shows had a rumper showing up days ahead of the traitors rally Eliot Rosewater Jun 2020 #2
True. One cannot argue with many such people. guillaumeb Jun 2020 #4
In other words, they are sociopaths like Trump. RDANGELO Jun 2020 #5
I agree that the greedy ones might be sociopathic. guillaumeb Jun 2020 #6
Exactly I_UndergroundPanther Jun 2020 #14
Umhm. But the most intractable are the followers of an authoritarian leader. Hortensis Jun 2020 #7
Authoritarian types need someone to tell them what to do. guillaumeb Jun 2020 #8
Yes! There is always an "other" for them, or many others, Hortensis Jun 2020 #9
Bigots 'N Pigs moondust Jun 2020 #11
Those are The Deplorables Hillary was talking about. UTUSN Jun 2020 #12
Agreed. Her description was accurate, if undiplomatic. eom guillaumeb Jun 2020 #13

Miguelito Loveless

(4,460 posts)
1. That is over one third of the nation
Thu Jun 18, 2020, 04:56 PM
Jun 2020

and while it is not a mathematical majority, it is a DANGEROUS political and social minority.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
3. Again, 2018 showed how to deal with this.
Thu Jun 18, 2020, 04:58 PM
Jun 2020

We need to be energized, and energized for every single election. The GOP knows this, and they know that they need to suppress votes and to cheat.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
2. One of the news shows had a rumper showing up days ahead of the traitors rally
Thu Jun 18, 2020, 04:56 PM
Jun 2020

and they guy was super happy to be there because of the GREAT things rump does for the country.

There is nothing to say after that.

Nothing.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
4. True. One cannot argue with many such people.
Thu Jun 18, 2020, 04:59 PM
Jun 2020

We all know that most people are not rich, and will never be rich, so my guess is that racism holds the strongest appeal.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
6. I agree that the greedy ones might be sociopathic.
Thu Jun 18, 2020, 05:09 PM
Jun 2020

But many of the racists might simply be racists. They might care about their families, and their white friends.

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,463 posts)
14. Exactly
Thu Jun 18, 2020, 08:09 PM
Jun 2020

Sociopaths need to be removed from power and rejected by humanity with no pity or tolerance for thier behavior.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
7. Umhm. But the most intractable are the followers of an authoritarian leader.
Thu Jun 18, 2020, 05:11 PM
Jun 2020

It's really worse than you say even. Never less than 20%, in anxious times more than 40%, even possibly into the 50s temporarily, as after 9/11. Psychologists say they trust their chosen leader to lead in matters of conscience as well as all else. Their job is to follow. We see this at all levels; even some Republican senators are become unquestioning followers.

They're typically bigoted against a wide range of others, every race but their own of course, and their easily triggered aggressively hostile natures are ready made for charismatic leaders to harness. These are kind who supported Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and so on in everything they did, in fact did followed orders to do most of it. And Trump, whose incompetence failed those who long to destroy us.

They follow until they're forced to admit they put their faith in a dud. And we're probably seeing that again.

Many here will remember watching as W lost them. Only at the very, very end, though. They followed him for over 4-1/2 years of a very disastrous -- and criminal -- authoritarian presidency, though that seems mild now. They only began falling away in the last months of the last year of his two terms. First, support dropped into the 30%s, then in the last couple months into the 20%s as most finally understood their loser leader wasn't going to finally, magically turn into a winner. In the last few days, the lowest poll I saw was 12% support, no doubt still hoping desperately that he'd smite the Democrats and take over.

As for wealth and greed, of course. But I'm grateful that some nongreedy and responsible wealthy exist, to support faith that there is always goodness in some members of humanity.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
8. Authoritarian types need someone to tell them what to do.
Thu Jun 18, 2020, 05:14 PM
Jun 2020

And they need someone who they feel will defend them from the scary "other". We have seen how xenophobia motivates humans. It is, in my view, the prime motivator that a leader will use to define the tribe, "us", and the enemy, "the other".

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
9. Yes! There is always an "other" for them, or many others,
Thu Jun 18, 2020, 05:27 PM
Jun 2020

they must destroy or else be destroyed. I can't guess how many nice people have told me with the certainty of long acceptance that we would have to nuke (genocide against tens of millions) another nation, Iran usually, to stop them from killing us. Trump failed the most fearful and angry in that also.

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