Trump's Poll Numbers Are So Bad the GOP Is Starting to Panic About a 'Wipeout'

[brooklynite]

Vice

WASHINGTON — President Trump’s poll numbers have never been worse, and Republicans are starting to panic that he could be headed to a historic wipeout that could drag the rest of the party down with him.

Trump has trailed former Vice President Joe Biden by almost 10 points in recent national polling. And Republicans privately admit things look just as bad at the local level. More than a half-dozen GOP strategists working on Senate and House races told VICE News that they’ve seen Trump’s numbers plunge in states and districts across the country. His standing with voters was already suffering from his botched coronavirus response — and his inflammatory reaction to national Black Lives Matter protests has pushed him even further down with key groups of voters.

“The environment really sucks for us right now. We’ve got a worldwide pandemic, the economy is slipping and now we have a race war tacked on,” warned one GOP strategist involved in multiple races. “If the election were held today, we’d be talking about a wipeout. We’d be in landslide territory.”

“If the election were held today, we’d be talking about a wipeout. We’d be in landslide territory.”

The president badly trails Biden in states and districts that went red in 2016 that he needs to win again in 2020. Trump is in alarmingly poor shape in a number of states that appeared well outside Democrats’ reach at the beginning of the election cycle. And his terrible numbers aren’t just hurting him: Republicans are increasingly concerned that he could cost them the Senate as well, handing Democrats unified control of Washington after the next election.

[volstork]

1. Good.

Fuck them all.

[NotHardly]

80. We've got 4.5 months before election & there's 2 months after... he can do a hell of a lot of damage

in the coming near 7 months and as we all know now, the lying, hiding, cheating, and stealing will continue until he is out... watch for the hammer(s) that customarily appear when things get into negative territory for the Republicans and Trump. More dirty business on the horizon. Trust me or trust your own eyes these last 3.5 years.

[sellitman]

2. Looks fine until

You factor in the Russians

They can and will flip any States they want to. They have done it before and nothing I have seen tells me they won't be able to do it again.

[John Fante]

7. Please stop this. Putin doesn't have magical powers, he can't flip districts, nevermind entire state

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If anything, I expect Russia to stay relatively quiet this time around. President Biden won't be nearly as forgiving as Trump,and Putin knows this.

[Squinch]

14. Why do you expect that? We know they got into the voting

systems of dozens of states in 2016. Why do you think they will stay quiet this time?

[uponit7771]

16. +1

[brooklynite]

25. How do "we know"?

Clinton didn't say so.

No candidate said so.

No Party Chair said so.

Apparently they couldn't keep Republican control of the House in 2018.

[Squinch]

37. .

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/25/us/politics/russian-hacking-elections.html

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-13/russian-breach-of-39-states-threatens-future-u-s-elections

etc.

[brooklynite]

43. You apparently didn't read the actual stories...

This was about accessing voter databases, not voting machines or election tallies.

At worst they could have deleted voter registrations to make it hard to vote. But since Republicans do that legally, no Russian impact.

[Squinch]

52. You apparently didn't read my post. But, regardless, if they got into the

voter databases of 39 states, do you really think they are stopping there next time?

[LiberalFighter]

70. Do you know how voting machines are managed?

[Squinch]

92. What is your point? Are you going to tell me that Russia can't

fuck with our votes?

[LiberalFighter]

93. Apparently you don't know.

[Squinch]

98. Apparently you have no point.

[tinrobot]

30. Well, 2018 happened and we won a bunch of seats. Where they then?

[Squinch]

38. Beats me but they were there in 2016. See above links.

[tinrobot]

46. I guess we're gonna lose then. Shall we concede now?

[Squinch]

48. When people point out facts about what we are up against,

why is there always some poster who gives this ridiculous response that no one said ever?

[tinrobot]

50. When people point out everything that could go wrong...

...it becomes demoralizing.

We know about the Russians. Let's focus on racking up the score so high they can't cheat.

[Squinch]

55. If you dont care to discuss those things, then don't. But clearly others

feel its important to be mindful of them.

[Demsrule86]

110. Why is it ridiculous? You basically say we can't win because Russian will infiltrate our machines...

you offer no solutions...only doom and gloom.

[Squinch]

114. I said nothing of the sort.

[Demsrule86]

117. Perhaps I misunderstood but that is what it sounded like to me. I say we will win.

[LanternWaste]

68. No surprise your points become fallacious when pressed.

Reductio ad absurdum... not just for breakfast anymore.

(below you can rationalize it as "I meant to do that!" or some-such nonsense if you feel so compelled)

[forgotmylogin]

72. I'm hoping that Putin realizes Combover Caligula has become a fatally sinking barge.

Even Vlad knows you don't perform the same magic trick twice, lest the audience get wise.

[ElementaryPenguin]

100. They won't! You're absolutely right!

[The_REAL_Ecumenist]

101. The reason that things are different this time is THIS: Last time around most Americans DID NOT KNOW

what was happening in regards to putin's interference and Obama being unable to inform the nation due to mcconnell threatening to call him a liar & accusing him of attempting to manipulate the election. That's the MAJOR reason why it worked.... NOT THE SITUATION THI TIME AROUND! Never taking anything for granted, of course but this historical clusterf*ck of a unnecessarily dangerous public heath disaster, GREAT DEPRESSION levels of unemployment, corruption so bad it's off the f*cking chart, a COMPLETELY MORONIC, severely mentally AND obviously physically unwell, (Who the f*ck has EVER made the most asinine comment like dump made about the LIE that noone has EVER heard about "JUNETEENTH" until HE spoke about it...WTAF?!), demented, incompetent, INCONTINENT, thieving, pathological, Malignant, lying, narcissistic, incestuous, raping, perverted, creepy, drug addled, orange, morbidly obese idiot...

[Squinch]

105. I agree that we are much more aware now of what they

are up to and who we are dealing with. I just wish I was more confident that we were doing something concrete to stop them from cheating.

[Demsrule86]

109. There is no evidence they changed votes...and a landslide is hard to steal so stop bringing people

down and making them think voting is futile. Biden supporters always believed this would happen that he would beat Trump... those who didn't support Biden continue to be concerned...and no I don't mean you. But this sort of post is not helpful,

[Squinch]

113. Did I miss the meeting where you were put in charge of what people

can and can't say on DU?

I'll write what I think I should write. You are welcome to disagree. Beyond that, acting as if you are entitled to dictate what people think and write is simply obnoxious.

And PS, if you aren't concerned about ratfucking in this election, you are a fool.

[Demsrule86]

118. I do not dictate, I suggest...feel free to panic about an election where we are ahead. I am always

on the look out for ratfuckery; however, I say we win this time. The thing about this sort of post is instead of motivating people, it makes them feel hopeless. IMHO..that no matter how hard they work...we will lose-the Russians, ratfucking etc. Well we won quite a few elections since 16 and I say we will win this one as well. I see no good coming out of posts such as this; But I certainly do not dispute your right to be as negative as you choose. Carry on. I on the other hand will enjoy the small victories like good polls for Biden now...on the way to what I hope will be a landslide for Biden in November.

[Squinch]

120. FFS. YOU are the only one saying that no matter how hard we work we will lose.

I never said anything of the sort.

Carry on putting words in other people's mouths and self righteously chastising people because you have misread their posts and projected shit onto them. I, on the other hand, will put you on ignore.

[BComplex]

15. That is an extremely dangerous position. The russians DID hack the Florida voting computers, and

got caught at it by the FBI/NSA. It is suspected that they also hacked a couple of other states, but proof was sketchy, or the alphabet agencies didn't want to spook everyone.

Russian mob is all over the US, in all states, and they are extreme in their love of mischief.

[alittlelark]

39. +1000

[BigmanPigman]

8. THAT is what I am concerned about!

[Dream Girl]

35. You're right. Trump will win....why even bother to vote?

JK But I do find it interesting that the first poster following these optimistic types of OPs always carry the same theme. “Trump will win.” If I didn’t know better, I’d think they were deliberately intended to discourage folks...Just sayin

[Squinch]

44. No one said trump will win. Someone said Russia will

cheat for trump. And they will. And we are fools if we ignore that ir if we go in thinking we just need to win. We need to demolish them so they can't flip votes without detection.

[tinrobot]

42. You're talking like a loser.

As soon as someone says "Hey, it looks like we might win..."

Someone else will chime in with...

But the Russians...
But gerrymandering...
But voter disenfranchisement...
But voting machines...
But Trump supporters...
But the Electoral College...
But the 12th Amendment...
...and on and on.

Yes, we know those things are a factor. Duh.

But this incessant, constant negativity demoralizes people. It is the self-talk of losers. It makes people think their vote won't matter. That is counterproductive and needs to stop.

[Squinch]

47. No. It doesnt need to stop. We need to always be painfully

aware of the fact that we will need to win by huge margins so they can't easily cheat us out of the win.

[tinrobot]

49. Exactly. Focus on the WINNING part.

Incessantly talking about all the things that could go wrong does not inspire people.

I probably sound like Tony Robbins or something, but we really need to act like winners. It's inspiring and it drives people to the polls.

[Squinch]

53. We really need to know where we are vulnerable and shore up

those vulnerabilities.

[marble falls]

78. You can toss an election that's close enough. But not a "wipe out". If you fear the Russians ...

go out and register voters. Increase the value of your vote by twenty or so more voters.

[paleotn]

82. That's sooooo yesterday.

At best they can rile the Dotard base. Beyond that, no one believes their lies any more. Facebook stories and Facebook "i heard it from my uncle's wife's cousin" today has the same connotations that led to the "I saw in on the internet...it must be true!" ironic meme. That dog just won't hunt anymore.

[Demsrule86]

108. The Russians put out much bullshit which caused some on the left to vote for Stein, stay home or in

some cases vote for Trump...we blew the election by not supporting the Democratic nominee.

[Tarc]

119. Tinfoil nuttery AND defeatist. Knock it off

[tanyev]

3. I want to hear this at Biden's victory party.

[BComplex]

17. You & me both!

[warmfeet]

71. First thing I thought of.

Thank you!

[Buckeyeblue]

4. It's almost July...there is nothing they can do about it

[Auggie]

22. GOP operatives in purple states can sabotage voting machines in blue districts ...

and make people wait hours in line. They can send voters to the wrong polling places (been done before). They can schedule rides but never show up. Name a dirty trick and they'll utilize it.

[Buckeyeblue]

23. For sure. I just meant they are stuck with Trump at this point

But the dirty tricks and outright criminal acts will continue.

[Auggie]

87. Got it.

I think they think they can retain the Senate ... by cheating.

Buckeyeblue ... Ohio? Born and raised outside Cleveland.

[Buckeyeblue]

103. Yes. Born and grew up in Ohio. Springfield. Now live in Michigan.

[Demsrule86]

111. The three states we need WI, MI and PA all have Democratic governors.

[Auggie]

115. Three governors against tens of thousands of agitators? Too much could still go wrong.

[Demsrule86]

116. Or it could go right. This is not 16. Trump is an incumbent and he has done a terrible job...

He is going to lose.

[SallyHemmings]

5. They jumped on the Trump Titanic

Screw them.

[Aristus]

6. Yes, we're going to 'wipe-out' Trump, and then flush the turd, November 3rd.

Thank God toilet paper stocks are returning to supermarket shelves...

[Demsrule86]

112. Yes we are...so sick of the doom and gloom...always from those who didn't support Biden.

[musclecar6]

9. Right now

Red states are having Covid spikes. Wait till the fall when things really start to ramp up especially after Trump continues with his rallys which are going to exacerbate the numbers

[SoonerPride]

10. Momentum is everything

We are gaining energy and supporters by the day

Republicans will be wiped out coast to coast

Pour it on

[dawg day]

11. "A race war."

Yeah, the human race against the GOP.

[BComplex]

18. "Yeah, the human race against the GOP. " Well said!

The GOP aren't human. Their reptilian assholes.

[Corgigal]

24. That's what I thought too.

Do I need to purchase some camouflage pants?

I’m so behind in world events.

[sarge43]

31. Nailed it. Thanks. n/t

[C_U_L8R]

12. Wipe them out. Wipe them all out.

Americans have had quite enough of the GOP's bullshit. VOTE!

[BComplex]

19. Forever.

Just sayin'.

[smirkymonkey]

13. K&R

[bucolic_frolic]

20. Shhhhhhh! Don't tell them

Let's make it a nice surprise

[Mr. Ected]

21. Remember that secret back channel communication line to the Kremlin that Jared Kushner lied about?

You know, the one that would bypass US intelligence agencies? The one we haven't heard about in 3 years?

Betcha that line is busy right now.

[malaise]

26. A wipe out is coming

Utter humiliation is coming

[Scarsdale]

63. So NOW the gop is worried?

Too bad. They went along with the orange ass 100%, had a chance to get him out of the WH, and all stuck together to "own the dems" Every last one of them knows he is unfit for office, always was, always will be. Here is a tip gop - next time choose a person with a BRAIN to represent your failing party. How does all that Russian money look now?

[malaise]

64. I don't care do you?

[Scarsdale]

66. Oh, I REALLY

don't care. Do U?

[malaise]

75. Hehehehe

[roamer65]

27. Just wait until the second wave of CV in October.

1932.

[sarge43]

28. Locked in a cage with the monster they fed. Good.

Hope he eats them alive.

[american_ideals]

29. Don't get complacent. Fox has False Caravan Part Two coming

[jorgevlorgan]

32. There's a good chance it gets worse for them, not better.

Watch every GOP held Senate seat go Democratic.

[tblue37]

33. New GOP theme song:

https://m.

[dalton99a]

34. He's doing fine. Leave him alone.

Let Trump Be Trump

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

36. Trailing by ten points is not enough.

It means that over 40% are still saying they'll vote for Trump. If the electorate had at least the sense of a sea slug, he'd get about 10% of the vote. Ignorance and bigotry are all too present.

[fwvinson]

59. Half of that 40% are true fascists, the other half are people who have no idea what is going on, are

paying no attention at all. My son and his friends have no clue. They are in their late 20's.

[SergeStorms]

40. Well DUH!

You sleep with dogs, you're going to get fleas. This flea's name is Donald Trump, and with the plague he carries I hope he wipes out the entire republican party.

[William Seger]

41. The Party of Trump must be burned to the ground

[Music Man]

45. Fox News poll today has Biden up 50-38%.

12% undecided.

This matches several polls this week that show Trump in the 30s.

Let's keep up the good work. Four and a half months. We can do this.

[BarbD]

51. It's not over yet, we have a long way to go.

And, a lot can happen before we get to November.

[keithbvadu2]

54. No sweat! Like Trump, they just need to buy a new poll.

No sweat! Like Trump, they just need to buy a new poll.

[Wounded Bear]

56. Wipeout...

[DeminPennswoods]

57. Maybe the rumor Trump will step down before the election

isn't just pie-in-the-sky.

Rather than losing to Biden, Trump is perfectly capable of creating his own reality where he's done a magnificent, great, better than any president ever job, made America great again and has nothing left
to accomplish. He quits on top and never is burdened with "losing".

[struggle4progress]

58. When they panic, they double-down with their dirty tactics

[diane in sf]

60. This country and the world desperately need the Republicans wiped out. They need to go the way

of the Whigs.

[aquamarina]

61. Oh, let it be so!

[C Moon]

62. I don't think it's only Trump, the New GOP has a "We don't give a damn about laws" tactic.

And that's not sitting too well with many.

[Blue Owl]

65. Being a tRump handler involves a lot of wiping

n/t

[BobTheSubgenius]

67. All that being said...

...I find his numbers - as I have for the last 4+ years - inexplicably high. One of my front-running hypotheses is that a surprisingly large segment of the American voting public is also inexplicably high.

[Skittles]

69. the entire GREED OVER PEOPLE party needs to be WIPED OUT

I am fucking SICK OF THEM.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

73. Good

I hope republicans and thier evil beliefs are wiped out forever.

[RobertDevereaux]

74. Total wipeout of this toxic party...

Is precisely what is needed!

[Dukkha]

76. Don't get complacent. But....

[Catherine Vincent]

77. The Tulsa Pep Rally will perk him up

[NNadir]

84. And maybe kill off a few old racist fat guys as well.

[chwaliszewski]

79. I honestly don't see where the problem is here.

[grantcart]

81. everyone else is worried about a shortage of beer, et al in Nov due to constant celebrations

[NNadir]

83. Well, if they cared more about their country than money and power, that might have helped them.

But since they clearly hate America and Americans, they shouldn't be surprised.

[Demovictory9]

85. expect a lot of new creative voting restrictions: No voting wearing hair in braids or dreads

[LudwigPastorius]

86. He's about to be consigned to the cesspool of history, and his minions know it.

But, that's the least of Trump's problems. He should spending his time assembling a legal team to try and stay out of jail..

[enough]

88. Hard to believe so many Democrats don't seem to remember what happened in 2016

with polls.

[Awsi Dooger]

89. It is going to be a close election

Currently there is extreme overreaction to recent trends. I never participate in that, or make silly assertions that it will keep going in the same direction.

This is a general election, not a primary. There is no such thing as a legitimate 12 point lead or legitimate 8 point lead. Biden is not special enough to win by those margins. He is an old man whose weaknesses will show up. He'll make mistakes on the campaign trail. Once mistakes like that show up they will earn tons of scrutiny and the race will naturally tighten. There will be themes of the devil you know superior to the old man you don't really know.

That is the reality of the matter. Negativity is not an attractant. We will never win huge in a general election when our overriding theme is Anyone But Trump. The only way we could have won by the currently touted national margins is if we had an extremely charismatic young "vote for" candidate. Unfortunately the 2020 slate did not include that type of candidate.

This stuff is very easy as a handicapper. Go ahead and bookmark. It will play out the way I describe. The great news is that Trump's approval rating has dropped to the level that now I would rather be our side than their side. Scant months ago when Trump was steadily climbing on 538 compilation I would rather have been their side. But as I have always emphasized, Trump would never be bright enough or restrained enough to understand that all he had to do as an incumbent was shut up and allow the situational advantages to play out in his favor.

[jimlup]

95. Agree but...

Never mind handicapping the election.

We fucking have work to do.

WE CAN NOT LOSE THIS ELECTION. THE NATION ITSELF IS AT STAKE.

[Hassler]

90. Cue up the Ventures song.

[Maru Kitteh]

91. Gee, if only someone could have warned them.

Well . . . bye.

[jimlup]

94. Yes this is great BUT!

Let's not take any FUCKING THING for granted.

Remember 2016??? We have to fight like our country depends on it BECAUSE IT DOES!

[ibegurpard]

96. They aren't that bad

8 to ten points national average and his approval rating NEVER dips below 40.
This election will be close. The cultists will turn out and we have to make as many people as possible understand what is at stake and get them voting. Recent elections have been encouraging but we have a long way to go

[Takket]

97. right now we are in the 5th inning and have a 1 run lead.

SO MUCH game left to play and as the GOP operative said "IF THE ELECTION WERE HELD TODAY"

it is not held today

and there is a LONG LONG LONG way to go............

the media will be pushing for a horse race
Russia will exert its influence
we haven't heard the last of Tara Reid...... she'll be back........

GOTV is all that matters.

[ecstatic]

99. And yet our elections are still underfunded and lack security funding.

Vote by mail is still a mess in most states. Stories like this encourage complacency so that republicans can steal another election.

[SiliconValley_Dem]

102. never believe them. we are down 3 touchdowns with 8 minutes to go

time to pour on the offense, play solid defense and win this one. stop paying attention to polls. get excited about Biden, encourage and excite others about taking our country back to Democracy and morals. Don't listen to oolls. go vote.

[DFW]

104. Of course they say that.

Nothing would please them more than for the Democratic party to lay off and act as if we had already won the White House, 61 Senate seats and increased the House majority, only to wake up to another "surprise Republican upset" the morning after election day. Since 2000, we have been seeing those. We win when we win decisively. Cliffhangers that go our way are few and far between.

Despite what the conventional wisdom says, the voting machines, according to one DARPA techie in my family, are manipulable, pre-programable, and hackable, even without a direct internet connection, and their software is little changed since 2002. Detection of the manipulation is also traceable by forensic inspection, which is why the Republican companies that make them got that court order declaring them "private property," whose owners do not have to subject them to examination, only report their "results." I doubt they do it everywhere, because we can get court orders in flagrant cases, too. But when it counts, I'm sure they do it (Ohio 2004, anyone?). Just ask Max Cleland.

Or does anyone REALLY believe that when that one Ohio voting machine that WAS examined in 2004 gave Bush 3000 votes in a precinct with 600 registered voters, it was just a "glitch," as the Republican operators claimed, and then STILL refused to let the rest be examined?

I'm sure that if the Republican strategists got their way, polls would be released saying Biden was ahead by 40 points and that the Democrats are coasting to a two thirds majority in the Senate. Fine, but let's work like the opposite is true. There will be plenty of time to celebrate our hard work AFTER the election, and you can believe they are giving their people exactly that same message. In the meantime, figure they will be saying what they want US to hear.

[DonCoquixote]

106. please please please

let us Not repeat the mistake we made last year in thinking we have this is in the bag. Trump is in a great position to pull off October surprises that make jams Comey look weak.

[live love laugh]

107. And this is surprising to them? Why?