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Maeve

(42,282 posts)
Fri Jun 19, 2020, 08:44 AM Jun 2020

The Kids are Alright--a Boomer perspective

I'm a mid-Boomer (1955) and an amateur historian, so I'm looking at the current protests from both a personal and an historic perspective, particularly as they relate to the Progressive Era (1870-1920). As a side note, my dad was a deputy sheriff for a time, and a conservative, so that was part of my up-bringing. Here is my viewpoint, for what it's worth.

The other week, there was a poll (and many threads) here on DU about the use of the phrase "defund the police". I opted out of the choices, saying it's not my call---the leaders of the movement will shift the wording if it proves too problematic, and besides, my generation has made enough mistakes, we don't need to criticize this one. One of the biggest arguments I saw was that it doesn't play well with Republicans. Well, nothing is going to play well with them, but they are a smaller group than they used to be. Let's see how it unfolds. I also thought (and still do) that this isn't the same battle we've fought before with police reform. There has been some push for police reform pretty much as long as there have been police--corruption, incompetence, excessive force...these have always been issues.

The Progressive movement tried to do a lot of things, and tried to leverage the federal government for most of them--child labor laws, women's suffrage, prohibition, unionization of labor, improved health codes, better housing...and they had some great successes. In the 1960's and '70's, there was also the Civil Rights movement that used the federal government to push for equality, voting rights, an end to the draft. And now there is some push to change things on a national level---however.

However--the push for police reform THIS time is being waged on the local level first and foremost. And that is showing signs of progress. Because that is where change needs to begin--not just police reform but actually re-forming police departments. Cities are spending huge sums to maintain police departments and are finally asking "Do we NEED a SWAT team here?" "Would it make more sense to get social workers out on the streets when we're dealing with altered behavior?" And among the protesters are people who can say "Here's the data--and here are videos of what is wrong AND what can be right with crowd control." In some places, we've watched the protesters stop the violence (well, not on FOX, but elsewhere!) We've seen the ones trying to disrupt peaceful protest caught on video and turned over to the law. We're seeing better organization and more thought coming out of this round of protests than most people seem to have expected--and that's a GREAT thing.

There have been people organizing behind the scenes for several years, now--BLM, Indivisible, Campaign Zero (https://8cantwait.org/ ) and more--and it shows. Yes, there have been times of looting and destruction, but overall...we are seeing city after city challenge the preconceptions of what policing means and winning. Another aside--the Republican fight against helping local and state governments may actually be helping, since they're forced to look at budgets more carefully; unintended consequences!

I wish I could be out on the streets, too. But as a part-time caretaker for my elderly mother, I really have to avoid crowds and possible covid infection. But right now, I'll say this--the kids are alright. And if we can vote in a real president and a working congress, we may see the flowering of a new progressive era in the coming years. And get back to pushing for liberty and justice for all.

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The Kids are Alright--a Boomer perspective (Original Post) Maeve Jun 2020 OP
Kick for late morning crowd Maeve Jun 2020 #1
Excellent post malaise Jun 2020 #2
Thank you Maeve Jun 2020 #3
K & R...good read... Wounded Bear Jun 2020 #4
Thanks, I've been thinking about this for several days Maeve Jun 2020 #5
Shameless self-kick Maeve Jun 2020 #6
Gens X and Y largely fell under Reagan's spell, don't ask me why Warpy Jun 2020 #7
Pushback has always been a part of human nature Maeve Jun 2020 #9
It's no coincidence that most Silent leaders were black Warpy Jun 2020 #11
The Silent Generation TuxedoKat Jun 2020 #15
Sorry, can't let this go by without one of the best examples of Keith Moon lead drumming maxrandb Jun 2020 #8
I love it! And oddly enough Maeve Jun 2020 #10
Way off topic, but man! That was with 1960s era equipment maxrandb Jun 2020 #13
Excellent post, excellent discussion. crickets Jun 2020 #12
Shameless kick for the weekend Maeve Jun 2020 #14

malaise

(268,976 posts)
2. Excellent post
Fri Jun 19, 2020, 10:03 AM
Jun 2020

These are kids who grew up under Obama - they will not be turned back. I am very proud of them.

Rec

Wounded Bear

(58,648 posts)
4. K & R...good read...
Fri Jun 19, 2020, 10:17 AM
Jun 2020

one thing I hope is that we can restore faith in democracy and government. Repubs have been destroying that faith for decades now and it is time to reverse that trend.

Maeve

(42,282 posts)
5. Thanks, I've been thinking about this for several days
Fri Jun 19, 2020, 10:24 AM
Jun 2020

I'm going to trust the kids for now. They seem to be moving the pendulum back.

Warpy

(111,255 posts)
7. Gens X and Y largely fell under Reagan's spell, don't ask me why
Fri Jun 19, 2020, 12:04 PM
Jun 2020

because I really don't know (and don't flame me because you don't understand the word "largely.&quot However, these are the cohorts best represented in the Beer Gut Brigades around the country and I weep for their dimwitted intransigence and unquestioning acceptance of a distorted world view.

Millennials are giving me hope because they're asking the questions former generations didn't think to. Oh, some things about them drive me bonkers, but that's OK, there is supposed to be at least some intergenerational friction. They are asking questions and they're not falling for deflection or defensiveness and that is a very good thing. Given how thoroughly the schools have been dumbed down and the way they've been taught to take tests instead of thinking things through, it's downright miraculous.

Legal and social progress comes in fits and starts and progress for many of us has been crushed since 1969, as people voted for a false stability that oppressed large groups of people while the rich picked their pockets in the name of keeping inflation low.

Millennials are questioning this devil's bargain right along with us old Boomers and it looks like Gen Z isn't far behind them. Old Boomers came along at the end of the last period of progress. I'm hoping the kids are coming along at the beginning of the next one.

They just need to realize we aren't governed by plebiscite, that we can only vote for mostly men, and those men are usually backed by corporations and fat cats who don't have our interests at heart. We weren't consulted about governance over the last 51 years. Had we been, the country would look a lot different.

(No, I'm not discounting the progress made in civil rights for LGBTQ people, although most of it was allowed to rile up the religious nutbars and keep electing Republicans. Every other group has faced massive pushback)

Maeve

(42,282 posts)
9. Pushback has always been a part of human nature
Fri Jun 19, 2020, 01:34 PM
Jun 2020

Also watching a series of lectures on the Black Death and how TPTB fought against the changes it brought...and lost...but anyway...

The progress that was made by the Civil Rights movement (and I'll include the LGBTQ+ movement in that) was not as great as we could have hoped, but it built a platform that this group is building on. Yes, we still have far too many old white men with old, white ideas in power. But look at great increase in women and POC holding office today (and driving tRump absolutely bonkers!)

You and I are old enough to remember when a black/white kiss on tv was a big deal, or the whole "Ellen gets a puppy" coyness of someone coming out of the closet was a nine-days wonder. When "colored" was considered polite speech and only activists were "African-American". When the very idea of gay marriage was absurd, never going to happen. Or even when it was a big deal that "Peanuts" added Franklin.

My kids (Millennials) grew up in a different world, with a quite different mindset. They know that they have gotten a raw deal with low pay, no job security and idiot greed-heads in power way too often. And they are trying to change it from the bottom up. They need allies and that is where we come in. We can make the arguments and stand up for them. We are even helping show them the way in some cases (we get to claim Obama as a late-Boomer, after all!)

I also want to note that it's never just one generation in the fight. You know, we tend to think of the '60's as a time of Boomers coming of age, but an awful lot of the leaders back then were from the so-called Silent Generation (born 1928-1945). Look up any of the major stars from back then--Martin Luther King, John Lewis, Jesse Jackson; music heroes like Bob Dylan, Elvis, the Beatles or the Who--and you'll see how many were "Silent Generation". They didn't "keep their heads down" after all...And most Boomers didn't rebel; too many accepted the "get mine, screw you" attitude that was espoused by supposedly "Greatest Generation" Reagan (man should have stayed in Hollywood like he did during the war)

I kind of wandered around with this, but I want to come back to where we agree--the Millennials are a beacon of hope and the new protests look like they aren't just like the old protests. I'll say it again--the kids are alright.

Warpy

(111,255 posts)
11. It's no coincidence that most Silent leaders were black
Fri Jun 19, 2020, 01:49 PM
Jun 2020

Either they served in the military or were related to people who did. Truman had integrated the military, and people who served got out and it was glaringly obvious that the rest of the country lagged far behind it. People who had experienced equality were simply not going to settle for being called "boy" and treated as nonpersons. They spread the word to people who were in a position to do something about it.

TuxedoKat

(3,818 posts)
15. The Silent Generation
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 09:48 AM
Jun 2020

doesn't get enough credit. They were the early Civil Rights protesters. Martin Luther King, Jr., born 1929, was in the Silent Generation. The Greatest Generation gets credit for building the country up after WWII, but the Silents don't get enough credit for their part in it as they were coming of age then and working too. If Joe Biden gets elected he will be our first Silent Generation president.

Maeve

(42,282 posts)
10. I love it! And oddly enough
Fri Jun 19, 2020, 01:41 PM
Jun 2020

you posted this while I was writing another reply when I mentioned The Who as being part of the so-called "Silent Generation" that weren't quite as silent as all that...

maxrandb

(15,324 posts)
13. Way off topic, but man! That was with 1960s era equipment
Fri Jun 19, 2020, 03:30 PM
Jun 2020

The frickin rolls and fills Keith put into that simple little song were amazing.

And you're right. As the parent of two young adults, my kids have gotten their stuff together and are active in their civic duty to make this country better.

The Retrumplicans have done their best to try to keep our young people stupid, afraid and ignorant of the power they hold in their votes and voices.

They've tried to gut education so much that they would get a bunch of "human capital" that would just work for shit wages and keep their mouths shut.

It's heartening to see it's not working.

crickets

(25,969 posts)
12. Excellent post, excellent discussion.
Fri Jun 19, 2020, 01:55 PM
Jun 2020

I don't have much to add right now except that I am, for the first time in decades, hopeful that the push for change is not going to peter out, is supported across many generations this time around, and thanks to the energy and drive from the current young generation, is going to accomplish great things. It's time!

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