Kamala would demolish Pence in debates!

[MoonRiver]

Nobody else could do it better. Just saying.

[TruckFump]

1. Mother would get the vapors watching that. EOM

[nykym]

16. That is if she actually

allowed him to be on a stage with another woman.

[TruckFump]

21. I guess Mother could be in the stage next to him?

To make sure he is protected from Kamala!

[mucifer]

2. I thought the same thing with Cheney vs Edwards. I was wrong

[MoonRiver]

3. No comparison

[mucifer]

11. Clinton vs trump debates and he still got all those votes

[Hortensis]

44. Pence v Tim Kaine IS. Pence was a RW radio host,

and if he's not the brightest bulb as VPs go, he is proven very smoothly competent in pushing lies to weak minds without appearing the dishonest scum he is.

Harris is also good, but the notion that a RW radio host would be a pushover for a former prosecutor-become-candidate who has to avoid coming across as too...unfeminine is, IMO, very mistaken.

Anyone who wonders can always pull up the 2016 debate video.

[Coleman]

8. Cheney is evil (that is an understatement) but smart.

It isn't everybody that can shoot a person in the face and have that person apologize.

[RT Atlanta]

9. so true

Cheney was a master manipulator (in addition being an evil POS).... and I liked Edwards.

[StarfishSaver]

32. Not even a close comparison

[comradebillyboy]

33. Dick Cheney for all of his bad qualities was very smart

very quick, very ruthless and quite articulate. Mike pence, who only wishes he could be as evil as Dick Cheney, is not very smart or articulate.

[progressoid]

4. What debates?

I don't expect any will happen this year.

[donkeypoofed]

5. Apparently, Dumpy Team is asking for MORE debates! lol

[Eyeball_Kid]

27. It's a phony ploy. It's just bravado. Trumpy-boy will find a reason to no-show on all of them. n/t

[Awsi Dooger]

34. It is hardly a phony ploy...Trump will want many debates

If Trump continues to trail in the polls he'll want more debates, not fewer or none. He'll need to shake up the dynamic. Debates are perfect for that.

Biden is in his late 70s and prone to trying to cram too much into each response. That lends to forgetfulness and stumbling, making Biden look old and past his prime.

It happened several times in the Democratic debates. Just because it didn't show up in the final one-on-one debates versus Sanders doesn't mean that tendency is gone forever. Trump and his team will be well aware of that. They will absolutely salivate for a direct comparison on national stage.

That is the handicapper in me speaking. But others are foolish to ignore the reality. Trump was only going to dodge the debates if he were ahead in the polls and cruising.

[BeyondGeography]

6. Kamala got shredded in a debate by Tulsi Gabbard

So, um, not so sure.

[Mike 03]

7. I'm not so sure either.

That's one of the reasons I hope he picks Susan Rice. Rice would dismember Pence and leave nothing behind but a grease stain on the floor.

[BeyondGeography]

10. Rice is presidential

Grounded, has depth, does her homework...she’s awesome. She’d also work great with Biden. Downside is she hasn’t been in the rough-and-tumble of elections but last I looked rising to the top of the US national security establishment is no cakewalk either.

[AlexSFCA]

15. I never saw her debating

Why is Rice a VP material? Her foreign experience is not without flaws. I view her as a great cabinet post - SoS perhaps. She is not politically vetted. She can’t even convince her own son to support her, he is a right wing activist, trump supporter. He will sink her during the campaign. Her charisma is nowhere near Kamala’s.

[BeyondGeography]

17. Harris is so charismatic she was headed to a 5th place finish in the CA primary

Biden says he wants a partner he will work well with. Rice is an obvious fit IMO. You can make arguments for and against them all.

[womanofthehills]

36. Rice does not have the popularity or name recognition as Kamala

In a recent Monmouth Dem VP poll, Rice got 2% vs Kamala who won the poll with 28%.

[Trumpocalypse]

12. Great idea! Let's bring up Benghazi again

That went so well last time.

[BComplex]

26. I'm glad I'm not the only one with reservations about Kamala.

She has a lot of fans on DU, and if she gets the appointment as VP candidate, I'll support the ticket. But I get the Hillary feeling when I look at her. She's going to be pretty divisive in the general election, and whoever Joe/the Democratic party chooses, WILL be the first female president of the US, because you KNOW Joe is going to step aside before his term is up, to make his VP the first female president.

Kamala isn't the person I wish that would turn out to be. Susan Rice is very presidential, and Stacey Abrams is very bright and non-divisive.

I still say Elizabeth Warren even LOOKS like a woman president, and I love her brain and her heart. So do Susan Rice and Stacey Abrams look and act presidential.

I don't think Kamala Harris makes it. I hope she proves me wrong, because that's obviously who Joe is choosing.

[MrsCoffee]

30. You get the Hillary feeling? Meaning you get the feeling she is a winner?

You know, like winning the election by millions of votes? We all know it was fucking treason that kept her from office. So yeah, not getting your argument.

You get the "Hillary feeling" when you look at her. SMDH.

[HotTeaBag]

37. I'm sure I am risking a lot saying this but,

I understand what he or she is saying.

The reason we lost in 2016 is because we ran Hillary.

She was qualified.
She was ready.
She would have made an outstanding President.

But she was also vilified by the Right for 30 years (along with Putin's help toward the end), and it stuck well enough to have enough people (even some Democrats) decide not to vote for her or not vote at all because they didn't 'like' her.

If Joe Biden would have run in 2016 he would have absolutely crushed Trump.

Personally, I don't get any particular bad vibe/feeling from Kamala, and I'd be happy to vote for a Biden/Harris ticket.

[Awsi Dooger]

41. Biden would never have gotten the nomination in 2016

The anti-Hillary vote would have split between Sanders and Biden.

You are absolutely correct regarding Hillary and 2016. Her nomination in that cycle guaranteed an extremely tight race, due to her 25 years in the public spotlight and so much polarization. If Biden had been the 2016 nominee he would have defeated Trump by 5 points or thereabouts, enough to win the electoral college.

Hillary is the favorite Democratic nominee of my lifetime. Incredibly sharp on her feet. I'm convinced she would have made a terrific president. But it should have happened in 2008, not 2016. That was a surreal missed opportunity. I still don't think the situational aspects are grasped around her or on other Democratic sites. Any Democrat would have cruised in 2008, given the sustained low approval ratings bu Bush since Katrina 2015, and also the economic collapse. We would have gained considerably more by establishing the first female president than the first black president. Besides, an unblemished Obama could have been waiting in the wings for 2016.

My argument at the time was if you are going to run Obama and Hillary back to back 8 years apart, then Hillary has to go first. We can't be stupid enough to save the less likable nominee for the second round, when the situational aspect is going to be negative since you are attempting a third consecutive Democratic term.

Situational realities are not exactly a strength of this party. I am always amazed that everyone cherishes here and now and seemingly cannot project logically forward.

[HotTeaBag]

42. Gosh, you said it so much better than I.

I also feel that same about Hillary with regard to her being my favorite candidate - the only other that I think would have been terrific as well (that didn't actually win) was John Kerry.

[Awsi Dooger]

38. Kamala is not nearly as smart as Hillary but every bit as divisive

I don't mind Kamala as vice president. The divisive qualities would be back burner and probably not a focus.

I always dreaded Kamala atop the ticket. There is no chance she could have hidden her barking prosecutor tone and lack of natural likability. She tries to laugh and be likable but it is forced. Her greatest fans somehow don't recognize that or are in denial.

Meanwhile she dropped out of the race because she realized she wasn't connecting. Now she would jump at the vice presidential slot because it's like an artificial boost and opportunity for a fresh start with voters who would reject her as solo.

It makes great sense from Kamala's standpoint. She was never going to earn the nomination on her own, whether 2020 or 2024, etc.

[AlexSFCA]

13. She will prosecute him on live tv

[MoonRiver]

14. Yes she will!

[33taw]

18. You never know, Pence did much better than Kaine.

[spooky3]

22. At what? Debating? I disagree. Nt

[33taw]

23. Kaine looked like an amateur next to Pence. Nothing should be taken for granted.

[Awsi Dooger]

35. Pence is unemotional and effective in debate setting

Kamala is just the opposite. She'll go on attack. That will earn raves here but the calm counterpunching style is almost never judged the clear loser in high profile debates.

Our ticket would be considerably better off this year if there were no debates. Somehow conventional wisdom is the opposite. There is too much chance that Biden comes across as old and erring, and that Harris -- if she is the vice presidential nominee -- comes across as somewhat nasty in a prosecutorial fashion.

[33taw]

43. It is hard to tell. I would not let trump set the stage to his liking.

[uponit7771]

19. If she had Warren prepare her? Yes, she would go after the jugular more

[Bayard]

20. A moldy turnip would demolish Pence

Bring it.

[Demsrule86]

40. Pence is a good debater...I do not favor Harris for VP anyway.

[Sherman A1]

24. A cardboard box would demolish Pence in a debate

I would hope for someone besides Kamala Harris in the VP slot.

[BComplex]

28. Me, too, Sherman.

I'm afraid we're about to be stuck with her, however.

[Sherman A1]

29. Looking that way

but, 24 hours is an eternity in politics. We will see.

[NurseJackie]

25. I do not believe there will be any debates. Not a single one. Not even a...

I do not believe there will be any debates. Not a single one. Not even a... back-to-back "Town Hall" discussion platform.

[procon]

31. I'm of the same opinion.

Trump has already walked away from a previous debate so he has established precedent for another cut and run.

By now even Trump must realise that in a debate format his routine bullshit, boasting and bamboozling will be challenged by the moderators and Biden. He can't afford to look like the idiot he really is in front of a national audience, so he will find an excuse to avoid any debate and then blame it on Biden and the media.

[Demsrule86]

39. He is losing and there will be debates for that reason IMHO.