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PCIntern

(25,531 posts)
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 04:58 AM Jun 2020

If he's as sick as I think he is,

He’s deteriorating a little more each day and he knows it. Every day he feels a little less-well and is beginning to panic. I believe that he has crossed the line of no return and it’s beginning to palpably accelerate. That’s why the rush for the rally, he needs to marshal his troops before he is no longer able to conduct one of these events.

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If he's as sick as I think he is, (Original Post) PCIntern Jun 2020 OP
Well he could make my night malaise Jun 2020 #1
Well he could make my night by doing a Twilight Zone thingy and disappear in front of us trueblue2007 Jun 2020 #2
I would watch that malaise Jun 2020 #3
His followers would think he ascended into Heaven. They'd found a major religion. nt albacore Jun 2020 #8
No other dimension would have him Kaiserguy Jun 2020 #9
a 'Putin Hotel' :) denem Jun 2020 #12
Gulag his ass! panader0 Jun 2020 #32
This! rusty fender Jun 2020 #59
The cornfield. nt tblue37 Jun 2020 #29
Like it North Shore Chicago Jun 2020 #52
I'm right there with ya, malaise. It's been coming. Pass me some... Alex4Martinez Jun 2020 #50
Yeah. I could finally break out the champagne. nt Nay Jun 2020 #55
I admit I hope this happens. yardwork Jun 2020 #58
Trump out Blue Owl Jun 2020 #63
Thinking the same thing duforsure Jun 2020 #4
"...and I also think they will turn on him before the convention." Talitha Jun 2020 #46
I tend to agree with you, yortsed snacilbuper Jun 2020 #5
spot on - ran out of swagger hiding in the bunker, now left with only stagger... bringthePaine Jun 2020 #6
Ouch...need to make this a Bumper Sticker ashredux Jun 2020 #16
Clearly after West Point he cannot handle outdoor events. gordianot Jun 2020 #7
IF he's deteriorating - it could be hydroxychloroquine - denem Jun 2020 #10
The summary of his physical released did not list hydroxychloroquine in his medications. Nevilledog Jun 2020 #60
He's musclecar6 Jun 2020 #11
I think he's just an attention whore. nt babylonsister Jun 2020 #13
He is that and has desperately missed the adulation from His Deplorables since his last hate rally SammyWinstonJack Jun 2020 #28
No, he doesn't know it Boomer Jun 2020 #14
I would respectfully disagree... PCIntern Jun 2020 #17
I wish this was true Boomer Jun 2020 #57
Sooner or later there is no hiding it, the body just gives in. sunonmars Jun 2020 #15
I pray you're right. Dios Mio Jun 2020 #18
Recommended. H2O Man Jun 2020 #19
Oh it is, you can't hide that for , I suspect they are desperately trying to get him ti Nov 3rd sunonmars Jun 2020 #20
What gets me H2O Man Jun 2020 #37
If he wins in Nov they will pull the rug, no further use for him then, Pence will be installed sunonmars Jun 2020 #40
Agree. They'll 25th him in a heartbeat, and set themselves up for the next 12 years. nt Nay Jun 2020 #56
The republicans are I_UndergroundPanther Jun 2020 #64
Thank you for that, PCIntern Jun 2020 #21
Thank you, both H2O Man Jun 2020 #39
More info please! nt USALiberal Jun 2020 #26
I'm checking with H2O Man Jun 2020 #36
Thanks H2O!! Nt USALiberal Jun 2020 #38
I think he'll be heavily fortified , in a nasal kind of way captain queeg Jun 2020 #22
And that is clearly taking it's toll. PCIntern Jun 2020 #23
I'm not a veterinarian, but safeinOhio Jun 2020 #24
*snort* Nevilledog Jun 2020 #61
Sorry, he is not sick, just an asshole. nt USALiberal Jun 2020 #25
why not both? LymphocyteLover Jun 2020 #27
Major asshole with a huuuge vindictive streak. SammyWinstonJack Jun 2020 #30
I agree! nt USALiberal Jun 2020 #31
He's clearly very mentally and physically sick. The evidence is overwhelming. nt MoonRiver Jun 2020 #49
DU Doctors! :-) Where are the daily news coverage of his health? Nt USALiberal Jun 2020 #53
The people who work in the White House are in desperate need a break from him. GoCubsGo Jun 2020 #33
He's obviously not the healthiest of senior men, but Tracer Jun 2020 #34
He's not resigning. PCIntern Jun 2020 #35
Problem is he may want to but his body is now putting up a fight against that. sunonmars Jun 2020 #42
Post removed Post removed Jun 2020 #41
Enjoy your stay FoxNewsSucks Jun 2020 #43
Reported republican Bot sunonmars Jun 2020 #44
Wow... You must be desperate. Hugin Jun 2020 #45
Shouldn't you be in Tulsa essme Jun 2020 #47
How about we dump the turd on Nov 3rd? mercuryblues Jun 2020 #48
+1000 MoonRiver Jun 2020 #51
I had a dream last night Wawannabe Jun 2020 #54
Will he dare to take a sip of rusty fender Jun 2020 #62
If Trump ate a live rat on TV, starting foaming at the mouth and fell backwards... First Speaker Jun 2020 #65
I absolutely agree, PCIntern Skittles Jun 2020 #66

trueblue2007

(17,205 posts)
2. Well he could make my night by doing a Twilight Zone thingy and disappear in front of us
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 05:08 AM
Jun 2020

just go to the 84950th dimension.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
4. Thinking the same thing
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 05:29 AM
Jun 2020

He looks horrible , and has very likely heart issues, pre-dementia, and neurological conditions that will become more evident , and hurt him even more as he spirals out of control, and for all to see before this upcoming election. Republicans are in a horrible spot now, and I also think they will turn on him before the convention.

Talitha

(6,581 posts)
46. "...and I also think they will turn on him before the convention."
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 09:28 AM
Jun 2020

Fingers crossed.

I agree that the R's are in a horrible spot, but they did it to themselves. They nominated that creature as their candidate and have been blindly supporting him. They could have redeemed themselves by unseating him during the impeachment proceedings, but they failed to do so. No pity for fools.

gordianot

(15,237 posts)
7. Clearly after West Point he cannot handle outdoor events.
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 05:59 AM
Jun 2020

That mess was carefully staged and look what happened. Tulsa promises to be a real Lemming show. It really is Trump bunker time no one wants him or his shitty venues.

 

denem

(11,045 posts)
10. IF he's deteriorating - it could be hydroxychloroquine -
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 06:14 AM
Jun 2020

he may actually have taken it and aggravated his cardiac problems.

IF he is deteriorating - I expect him to cut and run. Leave Barr as his enforcer keeping Pence on track for the January pardons.
Why? He can salvage some of his reputation with the nation and the GOP by resigning for genuine medical reasons. I'm guessing the RNC would like to see the Never Trumpers sidelined.

I think it is just as likely that the thin shell of his narcissistic ego desperately needs a top up.

Nevilledog

(51,078 posts)
60. The summary of his physical released did not list hydroxychloroquine in his medications.
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 01:01 PM
Jun 2020

That fucker has never taken it, guaranteed.

musclecar6

(1,685 posts)
11. He's
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 06:15 AM
Jun 2020


Hellbent to be the modern day Totalitarian dictator he so admires in Putin, Kim, Xi, etc. If I were a republican ( with a brain), I would start to get worried. Obviously they should have wised up to this evil lunatic a long time ago.

SammyWinstonJack

(44,130 posts)
28. He is that and has desperately missed the adulation from His Deplorables since his last hate rally
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 08:06 AM
Jun 2020

in January or whenever. Time to top off his ego.

Boomer

(4,168 posts)
14. No, he doesn't know it
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 06:54 AM
Jun 2020

As a malignant narcissist, Trump is incapable of believing that he is anything but perfect. It makes him oblivious to his own short-comings, and to his own mortality.

His plans -- if you can call his capricious urges "plans" -- are the same as always. Promote Trump. He fully expects to win in November and continue another term as president.

I, on the other hand, will be surprised if he lives that long.

PCIntern

(25,531 posts)
17. I would respectfully disagree...
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 07:05 AM
Jun 2020

Although I fully understand and under some other circumstances would agree with your surmise that one might be oblivious to one’s own condition, I think after the lights go out at night it haunts him. Many times these individuals are haunted by the specters of the night time, and they know the day of reckoning is coming.

I will tell you As a former businessman, that I would make it through the day just fine and will it started getting late the realities of my tenuous existence in the business world as a dentist came home to roost. The witching hour was between 1:30 and 4:30 AM. All the denial and defense mechanisms would drop and the curtain would be raised. Fear and loathing would emerge.

I think he doesn’t sleep, he knows the fear which comes only at night.

Boomer

(4,168 posts)
57. I wish this was true
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 11:47 AM
Jun 2020

You paint an evocative image of a Trump haunted by his insecurities and failings, but you're projecting your own normalcy onto a narcissistic psychopath.

Narcissism alone might allow for your scenario, but there's some pretty persuasive documentation that Trump's narcissism is only a subset of his psychopathology. Psychopaths don't experience fear, which is one reason they're so reckless and vindictive. And that lack of fear in the face of obviously fearful circumstances makes it difficult for people to understand them and their behavior. It strikes us as irrational and self-destructive, because we fear consequences; psychopaths do not.

So I've resigned myself to the fact that Trump is not suffering, at least not in way that I would find satisfyingly karmic.

H2O Man

(73,534 posts)
19. Recommended.
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 07:11 AM
Jun 2020

A friend who is much smarter than me, and has access to better sourced information, told me this week that Trump's health is in a serious decline.

sunonmars

(8,656 posts)
20. Oh it is, you can't hide that for , I suspect they are desperately trying to get him ti Nov 3rd
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 07:15 AM
Jun 2020

If he wins, theGOP have no further use for him. The GOP will be a lot more free to remove the cancer.

He'll be binned and Pence moves in.

That is the problem with the 2nd term, you are essentially sidelined in many ways, there is a new person waiting in the wings.

Trump should be warier of his own lot, Win or lose, he's screwed.

H2O Man

(73,534 posts)
37. What gets me
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 08:54 AM
Jun 2020

is that republicans in DC are aware of what is unfolding, but too cowardly to stand up for the good of the country. And this goes beyond their being spineless for the last 3.5 years.

sunonmars

(8,656 posts)
40. If he wins in Nov they will pull the rug, no further use for him then, Pence will be installed
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 09:22 AM
Jun 2020

This is all about hanging onto the Presidency for them. They know can bring him down after Nov and replace him. They will be all about themselves after that.

PCIntern

(25,531 posts)
21. Thank you for that,
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 07:17 AM
Jun 2020

There is no question that anyone of this age with his obesity, his obvious lack of self-care, and the stress level of balancing a criminal neo Nazi empire in the fashion which is required would cause rapid deterioration of health with concomitant somatic symptoms. I’m seven years younger than he is and went through a two year period of horrifying acute stress, and it aged me terribly physiologically. And I’m not 125 pounds overweight, and I take all my medications religiously, and these medications have been prescribed for me and fine-tuned by doctors who have my best interest at heart. I do not administer inappropriate medications to myself in a creative fashion nor Do I consume any fast food, and the iffy meals which I do eat are Absolutely minimal in number. And still, quite frankly, I’m falling apart.

H2O Man

(73,534 posts)
39. Thank you, both
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 09:10 AM
Jun 2020

for the OP and response.

My younger son stops in almost daily to help me with "projects" such as the garden and mowing the lawn. Though he is unhappy that the NYS Golden Gloves' finals are canceled this year -- the 4th in a row he's been in the finals -- he also trains in the gym he set up here. And he jokes that he will get me back into "fighting shape." I tell him that when one reaches the age of 40, all old injuries come back from time to time to visit. At age 50, they come back full-time. By 60, they are in charge. (grin)

I try to maintain a strict, healthy diet. I can't remember the last time I ate "fast food," and I wouldn't feed it to my dog. Due to injuries sustained in an auto wreck, I am heavier than I wish. I exercise enough that after my last doctor's exam, I was told that my numbers were the best that they have been in over 15 years. Yet I recognize that, as an old man, I am not a picture of health. And that's with the self-discipline of a former boxer, who has had relatively little stress in recent times.

I can identify with your last three words, as I am also falling apart. It is a matter of degree for those our age. And, exactly as you noted, Trump's life-style isn't one that slows that process down. Life is catching up to him.

H2O Man

(73,534 posts)
36. I'm checking with
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 08:52 AM
Jun 2020

some other sources. In the past, I could check things with my late cousin Jim, who was the head of neurology at Temple University for many years. While I have some knowledge of the workings of the human brain -- specific to mental illness and with head injuries -- there are mind-body dynamics that I always look to experts on for accurate information. Thus, I am hoping to be able to post an essay soon, as my friend got my attention by saying that Trump will become much worse between now and November. A sociopath, no doubt, but with more going on.

captain queeg

(10,168 posts)
22. I think he'll be heavily fortified , in a nasal kind of way
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 07:21 AM
Jun 2020

He’ll do what he thinks it’ll take to make it thru the night. Probably felt like he had to be careful at West Point, but tonight he’ll be amongst his people.

PCIntern

(25,531 posts)
23. And that is clearly taking it's toll.
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 07:30 AM
Jun 2020

Eventually the system begins to shut down. Physiologically, the body cannot tolerate this kind of continuous assault and as a certain point, the mechanisms just stopped working. The compensatory Systems cease to function, you can look at it like cardiac decompensation: the system is altered by medications for years, and then after a while it can no longer manage and begins to shut down. That’s why people die Of various cardiac diseases even though they are assiduously taking their medications.

What we are saying is a combination of drug use, morbid obesity, cardiovascular disease, and what I believe is an underlying neurological condition in addition to mental deterioration from a cognitive standpoint. I have posited a few possible conditions but it remains to be seen what the real situation is. I would absolutely not be surprised to awaken some morning I hear that he passed during the night.

safeinOhio

(32,673 posts)
24. I'm not a veterinarian, but
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 07:35 AM
Jun 2020

I'm sure he is one sick puppy. I would have him neutered just to make his life better.

LymphocyteLover

(5,643 posts)
27. why not both?
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 07:55 AM
Jun 2020

He's losing less and less control of whatever stability he had... it's just non-stop idiocy, obnoxiousness and derangement now.

GoCubsGo

(32,079 posts)
33. The people who work in the White House are in desperate need a break from him.
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 08:30 AM
Jun 2020

I don't think this is so much a rush to get a rally in before he's too deteriorated, rather than an attempt to slow the deterioration. From all reports I have read and heard, he has become unbearable due to not only the stress and panic, but from being more or less cooped up in the White House. He needs an ego boost, and what better way than to have a rally to give him that. Sending him off to an egofest makes him feel better, and it gets him out of their hair for a while.

Tracer

(2,769 posts)
34. He's obviously not the healthiest of senior men, but
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 08:31 AM
Jun 2020

he'll get up on that stage tonight and spew his patented garble-warble for hours. I'm guessing it will go well past 2 hours (to the point of his acolytes starting to leave the arena).

I think that it is wishful thinking to believe he'll resign. His presidency is ALL that he's got and he ain't giving it up.

PCIntern

(25,531 posts)
35. He's not resigning.
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 08:45 AM
Jun 2020

He’s actually failed too much in his life to resign the presidency. Most of his brands have failed miserably, he’s had multiple bankruptcies, he’s held up to ridicule by women who’ve known him, he’s a totally in adequate individual and he will exercise control where he has control. And he will lose control if he resigns. So you ain’t doing so.

Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Wawannabe

(5,641 posts)
54. I had a dream last night
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 10:35 AM
Jun 2020

That I danced on his grave.

I came here and confessed that I did it and I didn’t feel any remorse. None.

(I rarely dream. This is “the big one”)
😉🙃😜

I will dance for days if that fucker would just collapse tonight and never recover.

SOTU
SHUT THE FUCK UP!

First Speaker

(4,858 posts)
65. If Trump ate a live rat on TV, starting foaming at the mouth and fell backwards...
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 11:00 PM
Jun 2020

...his support among his followers wouldn't be shaken in the least. We'd be hearing how tough and manly he is because he didn't wimp out and cook the rat first...

Skittles

(153,147 posts)
66. I absolutely agree, PCIntern
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 11:01 PM
Jun 2020

someone mentioned JUMPED THE SHARK and it definitely does have the feel of a turning point, going down

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