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Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 09:07 AM Jun 2020

No need to read between the lines with Berman's statement

"I will step down when a presidentially appointed nominee is confirmed by the Senate," Berman said. "Until then, our investigations will move forward without delay or interruption."

No U.S. Attorney would ever use that phrase under normal circumstances. It wouldn't even come up. Of course investigations conducted by an office continue until such time as there is no merit in continuing them. It is almost as if a School Superintendent were to say, upon hearing that there was an effort underway to remove him or her, "Until then all school classes will move forward without delay or interruption." It is the business of a school district to educate, it is the business of a U.S. Attorney's office to investigate and prosecute.

If this showdown was just over his role as leader rather than over specific investigations being conducted, Berman might have instead said "Until then I will continue to fulfill all the duties of my office". Instead he put the emphasis and focus on the status of current investigations. Which investigations? Why might they risk being delayed or interrupted? Berman's statement intentionally begs us to ask those questions.

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No need to read between the lines with Berman's statement (Original Post) Tom Rinaldo Jun 2020 OP
Instead of waking up to recorded Stephen Colbert like four days out of week..... northoftheborder Jun 2020 #1
Sounds like a plan bermudat Jun 2020 #14
Get outside and do something. JmAln Jun 2020 #27
I did my usual garden watering, picked roses, tied up the tomato vines which are HUGE this year for northoftheborder Jun 2020 #28
His statement can only mean one thing. Laelth Jun 2020 #2
I wonder if the SDNY investigations involve civil or criminal misdeeds. Lonestarblue Jun 2020 #3
Someone here speculated that Deutsch Bank needed protection from SDNY. Laelth Jun 2020 #4
I think you are spot on with Deutsch Bank leftieNanner Jun 2020 #7
Yes that is the clear import of his major jowl jiggling word smack to Barr's face. benfranklin1776 Jun 2020 #6
We all know there are investigations into Bev54 Jun 2020 #20
Treasonous criminal enterprise. They're desperate. nt Cognitive_Resonance Jun 2020 #5
Exactly right, and I expect to see more movement than simply tweets about this. Immediately. Rainbow Droid Jun 2020 #8
Congress needs to get the documents involved in all the cases SDNY is investigating. NOW nt albacore Jun 2020 #12
In case you haven't heard Bev54 Jun 2020 #21
Jay Clayton, Trump's new SDNY attorney nominee, defended Deutsche Bank in $10 billion Russian yaesu Jun 2020 #9
Sounds like McConnell will be fast tracking an appointment soon. What can the Dems do to slow jalan48 Jun 2020 #10
That would bring a ton of bad publicity gab13by13 Jun 2020 #13
Given his past behavior I don't think bad publicity will stop him. jalan48 Jun 2020 #16
Me either. ooky Jun 2020 #18
+1 n/t Laelth Jun 2020 #23
We must not become disheartened, gab13by13 Jun 2020 #11
In the stretch run to the end of Trump's term more of those who honor their oath of office Tom Rinaldo Jun 2020 #15
As long as it isn't too little too late -- or just plain KPN Jun 2020 #24
from your lips to gods ears. jaxexpat Jun 2020 #17
Excellent post Mike 03 Jun 2020 #19
Well he better put his foot on the damn gas pedal Historic NY Jun 2020 #22
Berman needs to drop an indictment soon... Happy Hoosier Jun 2020 #25
Inquiring minds want to know - Stay tuned Joinfortmill Jun 2020 #26

northoftheborder

(7,572 posts)
1. Instead of waking up to recorded Stephen Colbert like four days out of week.....
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 09:15 AM
Jun 2020

I get two awful news stories: the Voice of America taken over by Bannon, and Barr trying to remove the SDNY prosecutor. Will avoid all TV today - want to miss the nauseous coverage of Okla. event.

Netflix and Amazon Prime day.

My blood pressure and sanity come first.

Will have to check in here though!

JmAln

(69 posts)
27. Get outside and do something.
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 11:52 AM
Jun 2020

Go for a walk maybe. That's what I'm going to do. It's time to put down the internet for awhile.

northoftheborder

(7,572 posts)
28. I did my usual garden watering, picked roses, tied up the tomato vines which are HUGE this year for
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 12:00 PM
Jun 2020

some reason. Now too hot for any outdoor activities! (for me) Until after 7 PM!

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
2. His statement can only mean one thing.
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 10:01 AM
Jun 2020

There must be ongoing investigations that Trump wants to shut down.

-Laelth

Lonestarblue

(9,971 posts)
3. I wonder if the SDNY investigations involve civil or criminal misdeeds.
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 10:25 AM
Jun 2020

If civil, it would be similar to other cases where Trump just pays a fine. It’s more serious if it’s criminal, like tax fraud. And tax fraud could rope in his adult children as well since we know all of them are crooks. Very interesting!

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
4. Someone here speculated that Deutsch Bank needed protection from SDNY.
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 10:27 AM
Jun 2020

This might be a favor to Trump’s primary lender. I don’t know for sure.



-Laelth

leftieNanner

(15,082 posts)
7. I think you are spot on with Deutsch Bank
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 10:40 AM
Jun 2020

Because I believe that the guy they wanted to put in Berman's place was a defense attorney for DB in the past. Gee, what a coincidence!

There is something prickly that Erdogan doesn't like going on at SDNY, so there's that too.

benfranklin1776

(6,443 posts)
6. Yes that is the clear import of his major jowl jiggling word smack to Barr's face.
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 10:35 AM
Jun 2020

So as Ted Lieu says rightly all info gathered in these investigations needs preserved by handing it to the judiciary committee. This shows we need the return of an independent counsel statute whereby a court appoints the prosecutor. A special counsel won’t happen now because Barr would do the appointing. For the time being though ensuring this evidence SDNY has amassed isn’t buried is of paramount importance. I would imagine there’s much there of interest to the New York State attorney general.

Bev54

(10,047 posts)
20. We all know there are investigations into
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 11:36 AM
Jun 2020

Rudy, Trump family and investigations that Turkey and others have requested Trump shut down. In Bolton's book Trump said he had to get his guy into the SDNY. I hope Berman takes these cases to court immediately and filed so they cannot be killed. I think others in the SDNY will continue unless someone is put in the position to kill them at the investigative stage. Do some indictments now, with more to come.

Rainbow Droid

(722 posts)
8. Exactly right, and I expect to see more movement than simply tweets about this. Immediately.
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 10:43 AM
Jun 2020

Where you at Congress?

Bev54

(10,047 posts)
21. In case you haven't heard
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 11:37 AM
Jun 2020

Within an hour of all this happening, Nadler invited Berman to testify to the house Judiciary committee.

jalan48

(13,859 posts)
10. Sounds like McConnell will be fast tracking an appointment soon. What can the Dems do to slow
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 10:45 AM
Jun 2020

the process down?

gab13by13

(21,304 posts)
13. That would bring a ton of bad publicity
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 10:49 AM
Jun 2020

and control the news cycle, also McConnell is no shoo in to win reelection. I think he's up for reelection?

gab13by13

(21,304 posts)
11. We must not become disheartened,
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 10:47 AM
Jun 2020

I have had my ebbs during the Trump regime but I believe now more than ever that the truth will prevail.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
15. In the stretch run to the end of Trump's term more of those who honor their oath of office
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 11:01 AM
Jun 2020

are stepping out of the shadows to resist the undermining of the U.S. Constitution, including those who held significant offices in recent years and increasingly those still holding some. Increasing profiles in responsibility and in some cases courage are emerging in the Judicial branch of government. Top military leaders, both past and present, who normally are loathe to challenge an elected Commander in Chief, have started to draw the line with Trump. More whistle blowers are emerging from inside his administration despite how Trump savages them. Even mainstream media is growing less reluctant to speak openly of both Trump's lies and authoritarian tendencies. I think everyone senses that now is the time for the showdown, the time to go all in to save our institutions and democracy.

Republicans elected to Congress are the last bastion that Trump has had to count on, and so far they still stand almost fully behind him. But, not so coincidentally I believe, more and more Republican Senators are now facing difficulty in being reelected.

KPN

(15,642 posts)
24. As long as it isn't too little too late -- or just plain
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 11:38 AM
Jun 2020

too late. Even with the growing gap in polls that would seem to ensure it’s legitimacy outcome-wise, can we be confident about a secure election or genuine outcome?

Scary times for anyone who cares about democracy. All we can do is vote, encourage and enable others to vote, and do the best we can at monitoring the election.

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
22. Well he better put his foot on the damn gas pedal
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 11:37 AM
Jun 2020

with the indictments......cause the tea pot is boiling over in DC . Only so much delaying with the Senate.


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