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WHY ARE AMERICANS SO DUMB? (Original Post) cilla4progress Jun 2020 OP
Dumbest country in the industrialized world BannonsLiver Jun 2020 #1
Where is that? cilla4progress Jun 2020 #4
Scotland BannonsLiver Jun 2020 #5
Ahhhh.. cilla4progress Jun 2020 #7
Yeah I've spent a lot of time in the U.K. BannonsLiver Jun 2020 #8
Cool. cilla4progress Jun 2020 #12
No, THAT is cool! BannonsLiver Jun 2020 #15
My ancestors beg to dffer Cirque du So-What Jun 2020 #18
Good question, are there any other countries where wearing a mask is this controversial? tulipsandroses Jun 2020 #2
Cult yankee87 Jun 2020 #3
I blame it on Ohiogal Jun 2020 #6
This oswaldactedalone Jun 2020 #13
Without a properly functioning Fourth Estate, keeping the electorate informed and holding sop Jun 2020 #22
There has been a multi-decade assault on public education by Republicans dlk Jun 2020 #9
"I love the uneducated." cilla4progress Jun 2020 #14
They are sheep who line up to buy his snake oil. dlk Jun 2020 #17
Makes me think of cilla4progress Jun 2020 #19
Yes, I remember the film well dlk Jun 2020 #21
Flim flam cilla4progress Jun 2020 #27
Professor Harold Hill promoted the "Think Method" of music education. LastDemocratInSC Jun 2020 #36
Our schools are at the core. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2020 #10
Great info and cilla4progress Jun 2020 #16
America should have the best public schools in the world-we have the necessary resources dlk Jun 2020 #20
Too often people are not willing to pay the taxes needed for good schools. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2020 #28
The tax structure to support schools could be reconfigured to be more equitable dlk Jun 2020 #30
Yep. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2020 #33
There's an idea! dlk Jun 2020 #34
FOX NEWS nt blaze Jun 2020 #11
This goes along with my question area51 Jun 2020 #23
For some people the Bible is a textbook. dem4decades Jun 2020 #24
Magical thinking, especially among religious sects, has replaced science for many. jalan48 Jun 2020 #25
George Carlin had a bit on why Americans weren't better informed/smarter RockRaven Jun 2020 #26
I would say a large part of it is the education system Luciferous Jun 2020 #29
GW Bush made stupid acceptable IMO. lpbk2713 Jun 2020 #31
Brainwashed by their news source choices? Brainfodder Jun 2020 #32
Because religion is pushed on children and education has been defunded for 20+ NightWatcher Jun 2020 #35

BannonsLiver

(16,275 posts)
1. Dumbest country in the industrialized world
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 12:06 PM
Jun 2020

Every day I wish my ancestors had stayed from where they came. I know I’d much rather live there than here.

I think it’s a combo of the school system and the toxic lie we were always taught about American exceptionalism.

cilla4progress

(24,701 posts)
4. Where is that?
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 12:10 PM
Jun 2020

I ask because I have been so touched hearing AA people refer to their ancestors so much lately. Of course, yesterday, especially. As a white woman, I hadn't noticed that much before. Not listening well enough.

I was fortunate to work in Indian country for several years. There I heard talk of ancestors every day.

cilla4progress

(24,701 posts)
7. Ahhhh..
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 12:15 PM
Jun 2020

my husband i think has some Scottish roots. Would love to travel there some day - seems like a place we would like!

I'm 100% Russian! Good thing my ancestors left when they did or I likely wouldn't be around to complain about shit! 🤣

BannonsLiver

(16,275 posts)
8. Yeah I've spent a lot of time in the U.K.
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 12:16 PM
Jun 2020

They have their troubles too, and the food is awful, but when I’m there it just feels right.

cilla4progress

(24,701 posts)
12. Cool.
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 12:25 PM
Jun 2020

I was there on a family vacation in 1975. England and Wales. Retracing my parents' love story with them when they met and married during WWII. Then France, Belgium and Holland

Cirque du So-What

(25,899 posts)
18. My ancestors beg to dffer
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 12:30 PM
Jun 2020

I’m a mutt with ancestors from all across Northern Europe. War, famine, disease, poverty, and persecution played various roles in why they emigrated to the new world. For that time, it was the only viable option. Certainly beat dying.

That being said, I wish emigration to just about all of the countries of my forebears were possible now. Times change.

tulipsandroses

(5,118 posts)
2. Good question, are there any other countries where wearing a mask is this controversial?
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 12:10 PM
Jun 2020

Is this an issue in other places?

yankee87

(2,155 posts)
3. Cult
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 12:10 PM
Jun 2020

There has always been an anti-science contingent in the country. We actually had a party called the Know-nothings. Now we a cult of personality that is 45 said gravity doesn't apply, some of his cultists would jump off the building.

sop

(10,076 posts)
22. Without a properly functioning Fourth Estate, keeping the electorate informed and holding
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 12:40 PM
Jun 2020

elected leaders accountable, no democracy can survive.

dlk

(11,496 posts)
9. There has been a multi-decade assault on public education by Republicans
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 12:21 PM
Jun 2020

After all, uneducated people are much more susceptible to propaganda and much more easily manipulated. Strong public schools are the foundation of our democracy.

cilla4progress

(24,701 posts)
27. Flim flam
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 01:28 PM
Jun 2020

amirite?

All the Music Man did though was try to get a band started!:

When Harold Hill (Robert Preston), a traveling con man, arrives in River City, he convinces the locals to start a band by purchasing
the uniforms and instruments from him. His intention is to flee as soon as he receives the money. Librarian Marian Paroo (Shirley
Jones) suspects Harold is a fraud, but holds her tongue since her moody brother, Winthrop (Ronny Howard), is excited about the
band. As Harold begins to develop feelings for Marian, he faces a difficult decision about skipping town.






LastDemocratInSC

(3,644 posts)
36. Professor Harold Hill promoted the "Think Method" of music education.
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 11:51 AM
Jun 2020

So the citizens would deny what's right in front of their noses.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,808 posts)
10. Our schools are at the core.
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 12:22 PM
Jun 2020

Not because they are uniformly bad, but because science and history are very poorly taught even in many good schools. All too often the history and science teachers are also known as "coach". I have no idea how it's done in other countries, but here, people take years of education courses and hardly any in whatever field they will wind up teaching. Which strikes me as completely backward. You should major in history or science or math and then take whatever courses will teach you how to do things like make tests that accurately test knowledge.

Add in ignorant religious people who insist that science essentially not be taught. No evolution!

What's astonishing is that at higher levels we have many of the best scientists in the world.

dlk

(11,496 posts)
20. America should have the best public schools in the world-we have the necessary resources
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 12:37 PM
Jun 2020

Unfortunately, they are being directed into the pockets of the uber-rich. This is one of the many reasons why voting is so critical and why we need to do a much better job of educating Americans of this fact. If we want to live in a successful democracy, we all have the responsibility to participate. A successful democracy doesn’t happen in a vacuum. When the majority of Americans don’t vote and don’t participate, we end up with pervasive corruption and and disastrous messes like we have now.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,808 posts)
28. Too often people are not willing to pay the taxes needed for good schools.
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 02:48 PM
Jun 2020

Old people, or those with no children, will say they shouldn't have to pay school taxes if they have no children attending school. They don't understand that a decently educated workforce matters to all of us.

People will sometimes choose to buy a house where the taxes are lowest, and then have trouble selling the house because no one wants to live in a crappy school district.

Stuff like that.

dlk

(11,496 posts)
30. The tax structure to support schools could be reconfigured to be more equitable
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 03:00 PM
Jun 2020

We could also choose a completely different funding structure to fund public schools. Looking at all of the taxes we pay to fund endless wars, Americans might want to take a hard look at their funding priorities and what most benefits our society as a whole. What have we gained from our endless wars? What would we gain as a country with a truly well-educated population? There is a lot to be considered.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,808 posts)
33. Yep.
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 03:51 PM
Jun 2020

Our way of funding schools seems set in stone.

However, wouldn't it be nice if the Navy had to hold a bake sale or two to purchase a new aircraft carrier, but schools had plenty of money and the cost to attend public college be free or just minimal.

area51

(11,891 posts)
23. This goes along with my question
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 12:42 PM
Jun 2020

on why Americans put up with not having healthcare as a right, like in 1st world countries.

RockRaven

(14,872 posts)
26. George Carlin had a bit on why Americans weren't better informed/smarter
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 01:06 PM
Jun 2020

And boiled down to something like "The people who own this country... It's not in their interest."

Brainfodder

(6,423 posts)
32. Brainwashed by their news source choices?
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 03:03 PM
Jun 2020

Refuse to change the channel and/or seeks out only news that agrees with them?


NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
35. Because religion is pushed on children and education has been defunded for 20+
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 05:48 PM
Jun 2020

Make em stoopid and gullible and then it's easier to rule.

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