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Had you heard of the Tulsa massacre before Idiot announced his rally? (Original Post) MoonRiver Jun 2020 OP
Absolutely. PTWB Jun 2020 #1
Well, I was raised in TX, so there's that. MoonRiver Jun 2020 #4
Me to but I knew about it for 15 years. TexasProgresive Jun 2020 #47
Somehow I missed it. MoonRiver Jun 2020 #64
Of course Maru Kitteh Jun 2020 #2
Yes. Happy Hoosier Jun 2020 #3
Yes, but not ages ago. Mike 03 Jun 2020 #5
No, in my lily white existence I did not ever hear about it. a kennedy Jun 2020 #6
Yes. Liberal Jesus Freak Jun 2020 #7
I think that is how I learned about it, too. murielm99 Jun 2020 #13
Yes. I watch PBS documentaries Walleye Jun 2020 #8
Yup.. This. But, I love history and watch lots of documentaries. Many don't. hlthe2b Jun 2020 #18
Yes - from PBS northoftheborder Jun 2020 #23
Same here. Zoonart Jun 2020 #36
Same. (n/t) SMC22307 Jun 2020 #53
Yes. Squinch Jun 2020 #9
Yes, called "Greenwood" massacre marybourg Jun 2020 #10
Jelly Anne Conaway called it the Bowling Green Massacre Pachamama Jun 2020 #27
I actually learned about it here on DU several years ago. Love this place. panader0 Jun 2020 #11
Yep. Maybe 10 years ago. Cirque du So-What Jun 2020 #12
Yes, but only some months(?)ago when a DU'er posted about it. I don't know how to search for the OP. SaveOurDemocracy Jun 2020 #14
Yes, but TDale313 Jun 2020 #15
same here Terry_M Jun 2020 #54
Likewise. teamster633 Jun 2020 #77
Never heard abt it inTulsa public schools (grad 57) bobbieinok Jun 2020 #16
Same, I went to Tulsa and OKC schools, lived in OK 38 years. Just learned of this 15 years ago. txwhitedove Jun 2020 #79
Yes, and a couple of years later in Florida, Rosewood was completely destroyed still_one Jun 2020 #17
I heard, but you can blame Texas if you hadn't Brother Buzz Jun 2020 #19
Yes, but only here on DU years ago. Lars39 Jun 2020 #20
No, never heard of it, honestly. Takket Jun 2020 #21
I loaned my horse to a friend in the 1980s for a Juneteenth parade in Amarillo UpInArms Jun 2020 #49
I had, but only recently. I was aware for a long time that there had been The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2020 #22
I first learned about it from watching "Watchmen" on HBO. ego_nation Jun 2020 #24
Same here. I couldn't believe it had really happened. So Shameful for our Country. OverBurn Jun 2020 #69
No but I'm grateful we're learning now. KY_EnviroGuy Jun 2020 #25
Yes LeftInTX Jun 2020 #26
Nope. leftyladyfrommo Jun 2020 #28
Sadly....No Pachamama Jun 2020 #29
yes handmade34 Jun 2020 #30
Yes. The first time I read "Jazz" by Toni Morrison. planetc Jun 2020 #31
Same here. n/t Philostopher Jun 2020 #44
Yes Sherman A1 Jun 2020 #32
Yes The Blue Flower Jun 2020 #33
Yes but I'm a History Buff Stallion Jun 2020 #34
Yes, but not in HS or college. nt Hortensis Jun 2020 #35
Yes UpInArms Jun 2020 #37
I had. But it was NOT because it was taught in schools. Nor was Juneteenth CousinIT Jun 2020 #38
Yes, but not in grade school, high school, or college classes. Quemado Jun 2020 #39
Yep. I knew about Juneteenth, too. GoCubsGo Jun 2020 #40
Yes. sheshe2 Jun 2020 #41
Yes, but not in school. trackfan Jun 2020 #42
Some years ago struggle4progress Jun 2020 #43
Yes. Sunsky Jun 2020 #45
See "watchmen" on hbo. unblock Jun 2020 #46
Only by a couple weeks... cayugafalls Jun 2020 #48
Yes, but not until around 1997 when "Rosewood" came out JHB Jun 2020 #50
Yes, but only because I researched a possible move to Tulsa. Luciferous Jun 2020 #51
Yes. On PBS. (n/t) SMC22307 Jun 2020 #52
Yes Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2020 #55
Yes. Many times. Jirel Jun 2020 #56
I had. Vogon_Glory Jun 2020 #57
Yes, but I was a history major essme Jun 2020 #58
Yes. Liberal In Texas Jun 2020 #59
Yes. Not in school, of course... Wounded Bear Jun 2020 #60
Yes, but not in anyof my schooling Dagstead Bumwood Jun 2020 #61
Yes. History buff Maeve Jun 2020 #62
Yup Magoo48 Jun 2020 #63
Yes Solly Mack Jun 2020 #65
Yes but just barely even though I lived in Tulsa for several years TlalocW Jun 2020 #66
Looked it up after hearing it mentioned by a BLM activist jmg257 Jun 2020 #67
Yes. n/t area51 Jun 2020 #68
No - You Cannot Hear About Something Before It Happens.... usedtobedemgurl Jun 2020 #70
Yes. Voltaire2 Jun 2020 #71
I had heard about it cherish44 Jun 2020 #72
Yes malaise Jun 2020 #73
Yeah, but only recently. And only because of the tv show Watchmen. Iggo Jun 2020 #74
Yes. I learned about it back in the 1960s. MineralMan Jun 2020 #75
Yes live love laugh Jun 2020 #76
Yes, but I read a lot of history Marrah_Goodman Jun 2020 #78
Yes. The history of it has been discussed for years. nt Blue_true Jun 2020 #80
Yes.... electric_blue68 Jun 2020 #81
I graduated High School in 1981 OriginalGeek Jun 2020 #82
Yes. RichardRay Jun 2020 #83
Yes, i learned of it in the 60s from my dad. dmr Jun 2020 #84
Yes... Deuce Jun 2020 #85
Yes, decades ago from my dad dmr Jun 2020 #86
 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
1. Absolutely.
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 01:30 PM
Jun 2020

Anyone who studies much about American history knows of the Tulsa massacre (often labeled a 'race riot') to cover up the atrocities.

Liberal Jesus Freak

(1,451 posts)
7. Yes.
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 01:32 PM
Jun 2020

But only because it was referenced in a novel I read a few years ago. I remember googling it because I didn’t think it could be true. 😢

murielm99

(30,657 posts)
13. I think that is how I learned about it, too.
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 01:33 PM
Jun 2020

Then I did some research.

I learned from a novel as well that Central Park in New York City used to be a black community. They were thrown out of there.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
11. I actually learned about it here on DU several years ago. Love this place.
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 01:33 PM
Jun 2020

There was nothing about it the history books of my youth.

SaveOurDemocracy

(4,398 posts)
14. Yes, but only some months(?)ago when a DU'er posted about it. I don't know how to search for the OP.
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 01:33 PM
Jun 2020

I see some, in this thread, mention a discussion a couple years ago. Maybe that's what I'm remembering.

Time flies when your continually horrified by this misadministration.

still_one

(91,968 posts)
17. Yes, and a couple of years later in Florida, Rosewood was completely destroyed
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 01:37 PM
Jun 2020
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.history.com/.amp/topics/early-20th-century-us/rosewood-massacre

It is more important that people know about it now, and realize this has been part of America since its inception, and needs to be fought so it never happens again

Brother Buzz

(36,217 posts)
19. I heard, but you can blame Texas if you hadn't
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 01:38 PM
Jun 2020

Was a time, most all textbooks came from Texas, and they selectively distorted history to fit their narrative.

How Texas Inflicts Bad Textbooks on Us

Gail Collins JUNE 21, 2012 ISSUE

“What happens in Texas doesn’t stay in Texas when it comes to textbooks”

No matter where you live, if your children go to public schools, the textbooks they use were very possibly written under Texas influence. If they graduated with a reflexive suspicion of the concept of separation of church and state and an unexpected interest in the contributions of the National Rifle Association to American history, you know who to blame.

When it comes to meddling with school textbooks, Texas is both similar to other states and totally different. It’s hardly the only one that likes to fiddle around with the material its kids study in class. The difference is due to size—4.8 million textbook-reading schoolchildren as of 2011—and the peculiarities of its system of government, in which the State Board of Education is selected in elections that are practically devoid of voters, and wealthy donors can chip in unlimited amounts of money to help their favorites win.

Those favorites are not shrinking violets. In 2009, the nation watched in awe as the state board worked on approving a new science curriculum under the leadership of a chair who believed that “evolution is hooey.” In 2010, the subject was social studies and the teachers tasked with drawing up course guidelines were supposed to work in consultation with “experts” added on by the board, one of whom believed that the income tax was contrary to the word of God in the scriptures.

Ever since the 1960s, the selection of schoolbooks in Texas has been a target for the religious right, which worried that schoolchildren were being indoctrinated in godless secularism, and political conservatives who felt that their kids were being given way too much propaganda about the positive aspects of the federal government. Mel Gabler, an oil company clerk, and his wife, Norma, who began their textbook crusade at their kitchen table, were the leaders of the first wave. They brought their supporters to State Board of Education meetings, unrolling their “scroll of shame,” which listed objections they had to the content of the current reading material. At times, the scroll was fifty-four feet long. Products of the Texas school system have the Gablers to thank for the fact that at one point the New Deal was axed from the timeline of significant events in American history.

<more>

https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2012/06/21/how-texas-inflicts-bad-textbooks-on-us/

Takket

(21,425 posts)
21. No, never heard of it, honestly.
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 01:38 PM
Jun 2020

Nor had I ever heard of Juneteeth before this year. I asked my wife last night.... how did I just miss what a major holiday this is? And she told me she had never heard of it either!

UpInArms

(51,253 posts)
49. I loaned my horse to a friend in the 1980s for a Juneteenth parade in Amarillo
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 02:05 PM
Jun 2020

My mother taught me about Juneteenth when I was quite young ...

I have been saying (for sometime now) that our world seems to have acquired collective amnesia since about the time the microwave became a household appliance.

That was in the early 80s and I credit it to Raygun and the emergence of Fox.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,281 posts)
22. I had, but only recently. I was aware for a long time that there had been
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 01:39 PM
Jun 2020

a lot of racial unrest in the '20s, but this specific instance of it was something that apparently was not widely reported at the time, and unfortunately was allowed to fall into the oubliette of history. It was not taught in any history class I ever had.

ego_nation

(123 posts)
24. I first learned about it from watching "Watchmen" on HBO.
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 01:41 PM
Jun 2020

I had to Google it as I couldn’t believe it could it have been a real event and never learned about it before now (and I’m middle aged).

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,483 posts)
25. No but I'm grateful we're learning now.
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 01:43 PM
Jun 2020

It's been almost 60-years since I had American history and it may have been white-washed away from our text books back then. And, at my age I suffer from CRS......

I appreciated this Tweet from Rev. Barber:



Text:
Rev. Dr. William J. Barber II @RevDrBarber

Some are calling for Juneteenth to be a national holiday. How about we go further & pass healthcare & living wages for all, a fully restored Voting Rights Act & reparations, etc. Please don’t just ask for a holiday. Let’s make it a holy day of repentance & reconstruction.

10:56 AM · Jun 19, 2020


KY.........

Pachamama

(16,875 posts)
29. Sadly....No
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 01:47 PM
Jun 2020

It wasn’t until I watched Watchmen that I heard any reference to it. I then looked it up to see if this was real or fiction.

I was shocked to read all about it and that I had never learned in US History about it - not even AP US History class in high school when I came to the US from Germany.

UpInArms

(51,253 posts)
37. Yes
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 01:56 PM
Jun 2020

I had known about it for many years (20+)

Are you also aware of Rosewood, Florida?

I Rosewood massacre

The Rosewood massacre was a racially motivated massacre of black people and destruction of a black town that took place during the first week of January 1923 in rural Levy County, Florida. At least six black people and two white people were killed, though eyewitness accounts suggested a higher death toll of 27 to 150. The town of Rosewood was destroyed, in what contemporary news reports characterized as a race riot. Racially motivated violence against people of color was more common in the United States in the early 20th century. Florida had an especially high number of lynchings of black men in the years before the massacre,[2] including a well-publicized incident in December 1922.

Before the massacre, the town of Rosewood had been a quiet, primarily black, self-sufficient whistle stop on the Seaboard Air Line Railway. Trouble began when white men from several nearby towns lynched a black Rosewood resident because of accusations that a white woman in nearby Sumner had been assaulted by a black drifter. A mob of several hundred whites combed the countryside hunting for black people and burned almost every structure in Rosewood. Survivors from the town hid for several days in nearby swamps until they were evacuated by train and car to larger towns. No arrests were made for what happened in Rosewood. The town was abandoned by its former black and white residents; none ever moved back, they were never compensated for their land and the town ceased to exist.

Although the rioting was widely reported around the United States at the time, few official records documented the event. Survivors, their descendants, and the perpetrators remained silent about Rosewood for decades. Sixty years after the rioting, the story of Rosewood was revived in major media when several journalists covered it in the early 1980s. Survivors and their descendants organized to sue the state for having failed to protect Rosewood's black community. In 1993, the Florida Legislature commissioned a report on the incident. As a result of the findings, Florida became the first U.S. state to compensate survivors and their descendants for damages incurred because of racial violence. The incident was the subject of a 1997 feature film directed by John Singleton. In 2004, the state designated the site of Rosewood as a Florida Heritage Landmark.

CousinIT

(9,151 posts)
38. I had. But it was NOT because it was taught in schools. Nor was Juneteenth
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 01:57 PM
Jun 2020

and what it meant. NONE of that was taught in school when I went (years ago). I learned the ACTUAL history of the US much later from other sources.

Quemado

(1,262 posts)
39. Yes, but not in grade school, high school, or college classes.
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 01:57 PM
Jun 2020

Almost similar to the US-Mexican War of 1846-1848, textbooks, teacher, and schools in the past did not cover certain events.

unblock

(51,974 posts)
46. See "watchmen" on hbo.
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 02:04 PM
Jun 2020

Interesting show in its own right, but the drama opens with the Tulsa massacre.

cayugafalls

(5,631 posts)
48. Only by a couple weeks...
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 02:05 PM
Jun 2020

I started doing a lot of soul searching and research once the protests started and that included a lot of history reading.

I read first of Rosewood and that started me down the rabbit hole.

The Elaine Massacre, The Atlanta Race Riots, The Red Summer, The East St. Louis Massacre, etc...there is so much more.

We moved to Texas when I was 10 from Florida so my education was quite lacking in American history.

Edited to add link to the Elaine Massacre;

JHB

(37,133 posts)
50. Yes, but not until around 1997 when "Rosewood" came out
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 02:06 PM
Jun 2020
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120036/

Some of the coverage of the Rosewood massacre prompted by the movie also went into what happened in Tulsa. Before then I'd picked up on how in the '40s and earlier a "race riot" usually translated into whites tearing up a black neighborhood, but it was a smattering of factoids, not something I had firm knowledge about.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,112 posts)
55. Yes
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 02:13 PM
Jun 2020

Trying to remember when I first heard of it. Think it was ten to twenty years ago. It wasn't taught in school.

Jirel

(1,993 posts)
56. Yes. Many times.
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 02:13 PM
Jun 2020

If you are often in activist circles, this is something that comes up every so often.

Vogon_Glory

(9,086 posts)
57. I had.
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 02:30 PM
Jun 2020

I think I first heard of it only as a sentence or two in a school history textbook as something that occurred in the early 1920’s. They called it a race riot back then.


I learned more over the decades since. I had no idea as to what set it off. I had no idea as to the scope and violence of it until the mid-1990’s. I was pretty sure that people fifty to seventy years later didn’t like talking about causes or what happened.

Liberal In Texas

(13,457 posts)
59. Yes.
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 02:34 PM
Jun 2020

Probably on NPR. I seem to remember they did quite a through story. May have been in conjunction with a book having been just published about it.

Wounded Bear

(58,442 posts)
60. Yes. Not in school, of course...
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 02:41 PM
Jun 2020

we didn't get a lot of the events that were whitewashed out of the history books back in the day.

I have, though, read some about it as an adult. It should be included in more history classes.

TlalocW

(15,359 posts)
66. Yes but just barely even though I lived in Tulsa for several years
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 03:37 PM
Jun 2020

Not a native though. I'm now in Kansas City but still have friends there.

I twist balloons and do balloon decor and have decorated the Greenwood Cultural Center several times for various groups, and they have a lot of information on it. I gleaned what I could over several visits to decorate then just went there to read all that I could.

TlalocW

usedtobedemgurl

(1,100 posts)
70. No - You Cannot Hear About Something Before It Happens....
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 04:51 PM
Jun 2020

Yes, all of the magats lining up without masks will be, essentially a massacre.....wait, oh, you meant.....yes, I heard about that!

cherish44

(2,566 posts)
72. I had heard about it
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 11:03 AM
Jun 2020

I don't think I ever learned about it in school myself but found out about it while researching topics for Black History Month for my 5th grade class. It absolutely turned my stomach. My class was about half African American but being that young I choose not to teach it because it was just so upsetting. Definitely should be taught in high school though.

Iggo

(47,489 posts)
74. Yeah, but only recently. And only because of the tv show Watchmen.
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 11:30 AM
Jun 2020

Last edited Sun Jun 21, 2020, 12:53 PM - Edit history (2)

So now he’s made the Tulsa Race Massacre famous and he's made Juneteenth famous. If he doesn’t watch out, there’ll be reparations by Election Day.

electric_blue68

(14,623 posts)
81. Yes....
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 05:17 PM
Jun 2020

Since I read a lot about black-american history I found out about it oh, 15 - 20 years ago. Juneteenth about the same. Rosewood probably through NPR or WNYC about 15 yrs ago. ?️

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
82. I graduated High School in 1981
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 05:35 PM
Jun 2020

Grew up in Dallas and went all 4 years of hs to a private christian School run by fundamentalist baptists. I don't recall ever hearing of this until a few weeks ago.

dmr

(28,321 posts)
84. Yes, i learned of it in the 60s from my dad.
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 06:00 PM
Jun 2020

During the Civil Rights era, which my dad said was long overdue.

dmr

(28,321 posts)
86. Yes, decades ago from my dad
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 06:16 PM
Jun 2020

He said it was a criminal conspiracy; very sad and frightening. What people are capable of doing, especially otherwise "good" people. I was just a young girl.

This was during the civil rights era, which my dad said said was long overdue. He told me to put my feet in their shoes, and let my conscience guide me -- and that is something I've done my whole life, and what I've taught my son. Boy, I miss my dad.

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