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Just thought I would mention it when a Nuremberg Rally is about to be underway in Tulsa. Nazi be fucking Nazi.
Cirque du So-What
(25,927 posts)Bring on the Nuremberg trials.
Soph0571
(9,685 posts)Stuart G
(38,414 posts)StarryNite
(9,442 posts)If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State. Joseph Goebbels
Joseph Goebbels
Goebbels, who aspired to be an author, obtained a Doctor of Philology degree from the University of Heidelberg in 1921. He joined the Nazi Party in 1924, and worked with Gregor Strasser in their northern branch. He was appointed Gauleiter (district leader) for Berlin in 1926, where he began to take an interest in the use of propaganda to promote the party and its programme. After the Nazis' seizure of power in 1933, Goebbels's Propaganda Ministry quickly gained and exerted control over the news media, arts, and information in Germany. He was particularly adept at using the relatively new media of radio and film for propaganda purposes. Topics for party propaganda included antisemitism, attacks on the Christian churches, and (after the start of the Second World War) attempting to shape morale.
In 1943, Goebbels began to pressure Hitler to introduce measures that would produce total war, including closing businesses not essential to the war effort, conscripting women into the labour force, and enlisting men in previously exempt occupations into the Wehrmacht. Hitler finally appointed him as Reich Plenipotentiary for Total War on 23 July 1944, whereby Goebbels undertook largely unsuccessful measures to increase the number of people available for armaments manufacture and the Wehrmacht.
As the war drew to a close and Nazi Germany faced defeat, Magda Goebbels and the Goebbels children joined him in Berlin. They moved into the underground Vorbunker, part of Hitler's underground bunker complex, on 22 April 1945. Hitler committed suicide on 30 April. In accordance with Hitler's will, Goebbels succeeded him as Chancellor of Germany; he served one day in this post. The following day, Goebbels and his wife committed suicide, after poisoning their six children with cyanide.
[link:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels|
Soph0571
(9,685 posts)They are such peaches
Island Deac
(104 posts)When We say "Never Again", we damn well mean "Never Again"!!
bucolic_frolic
(43,123 posts)Response to Soph0571 (Original post)
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wnylib
(21,425 posts)Hitler when writing Mein Kampf. The quote about it that is usually attributed to Goebbels is closer in meaning to what Hitler wrote.
There are no primary sources to confirm that Goebbels actually said what is attributed to him regarding the Big Lie propaganda technique. But I wonder what is your source for saying that Goebbels believed he was speaking the truth. For example, he might have believed that Germans were superior to other people, e.g. Poles and Jews, but he surely knew that the propaganda about them was full of lies. Seems reasonable and likely that the man Hitler chose as his propaganda minister would share Hitler's views about propaganda techniques like the Big Lie.
They lied about everything, even about winning the war when they were losing. I can't believe that Goebbels, with a degree in philosophy, could not distinguish between fact and propaganda.
SergeStorms
(19,192 posts)he never was smart enough, and was far too lazy, to read a book about Hitler. Whether Cohn followed Hitler's dictates or not we'll never know, but it appears as if his "ethics" (or lack thereof) mirror Hitler's "methods" exactly. Cohn's square on the AIDS Quilt reads, "Bully, Coward, Victim". The only thing Cohn was ever a victim of was AIDS. Trump most certainly is a bully, a coward, and always sees himself as a victim.
wnylib
(21,425 posts)and intelligence to read a book like Mein Kampf. Also agree that Cohn was Trump's mentor and role model.
It seems quite possible that both of them could understand the principle of the big lie without ever reading about it in depth. With minds and character deficiencies equivalent to Hitler's, why couldn't both men arrive at their version of the same principle on their own?
SergeStorms
(19,192 posts)when he was dying from AIDS. He didn't visit him at all, didn't phone him, nothing. That shows you how far Trump's loyalties lie.
Kid Berwyn
(14,869 posts)He said COVID-19 was a hoax and deprecated governors who shut down their states to flatten the curve.
Nazi.