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blitzen

(4,572 posts)
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 12:43 AM Jun 2020

Help me out here! How can these two things both be true?

Teens and K-Pop fans rolled Trump's campaign by reserving hundreds of thousands of tickets.

AND:

The Trump campaign was NOT LYING when they claimed they had distributed hundreds of thousands of tickets.

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RockRaven

(14,966 posts)
2. "Sold" meaning exchanged unlimited numbers of them for zero dollars and zero cents?
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 12:47 AM
Jun 2020

Ticket "sales" indeed...

tulipsandroses

(5,124 posts)
3. They are supposed to be tech savvy - that's supposed to be the strength of trump campaign
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 12:47 AM
Jun 2020

how did they not see this? People have said on tv tonight, that its not unusual to have people do this. Its usually accounted for when they figure out how many people to actually expect. How did the trump campaign over estimate so wrongly this time?

BannonsLiver

(16,387 posts)
5. I think they would have issued an infinite number of tickets
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 01:00 AM
Jun 2020

My understanding of these events is that the tickets or rather the registration part of obtaining them are data mining operations. So in theory they would have allowed any number of people to register. The tickets do not guarantee admission anyway.

IMO, the ticket thing is meaningless when it came to turnout tonight, which is actually far worse news for Dump. It means he couldn’t pack a house in very friendly territory after a lot of hype.

Also, they probably got a lot of unusable, worthless data as well.

Midnightwalk

(3,131 posts)
6. Here's my take
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 01:06 AM
Jun 2020

They claimed 300,000 tickets were requested.' So long as they actually sold out capacity that number actually doesn't matter. We can figure out MAGAts versus spoofers by how many attended and total capacity (and some luck).

There were something like 10K who attended and the arena was half empty. 20K capacity in the arena.

It means that of the 20K tickets they gave out, half of them went to people who didn't attend. 50%.

Say that all the requests were from spoofers or MAGAts and that none of the MAGAts who got tickets stayed home - all who got a ticket arrived.

If the requests were mixed perfectly, it means that half the tickets went to MAGAts, half to spoofers. 300K means that maybe 150K of the tickets went to spoofers, 150K went to MATAts. 50%

If the spoofers were processed sooner (maybe they processed some as they came in and the spoofers asked faster), a lower percentage of the spoofers could have gotten half the tickets.

If they waited until all or most of the requests came in before handing them out to requestors at random, it would be the 50% number above.

In reality I think the number of "tickets" was probably higher since they set up additional capacity outside, that tells me they handed out a higher percentage of tickets to people who didn't attend. Either because they were spoofers or because they changed their mind about going.

I think that if they stated 300K, the number is probably half that to begin with, but if they actually gave out tickets to match capacity I think the total attendees divided by total capacity tells us MAGAts versus spoofers.

I probably messed something up, but that's how I would try to do the arithmetic after a few drinks.

Nevilledog

(51,104 posts)
7. Don't forget.. Unlimited tickets... Couldn't get 19k live people to show up.
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 01:08 AM
Jun 2020

Doesn't matter if the teens accounted for a gazillion tickets.... They couldn't get 19k!!!!

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