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Sun Jun 21, 2020, 12:15 PM

The TikTok Kids Did Not Effect The Crowd Size at The Rally.

They are awesome and I applaud them but the low turnout was entirely on Trump. There were tickets available for days, the Magats just didn't want them.

Actually, what they really did was much better. They played on his Narcissism and had him convinced that there was massive enthusiasm for him. They got the campaign to spend millions on an overflow area that they were never going to need. They knew he would brag all week about how huge his rally would be and he didn't disappoint. They made a fool out of him.

It concerns me that the Media, and even many resisters, are saying today that the TikTok kids are the reason the rally turnout was down. That ignores his low poll numbers, his low approval ratings and the general mess he has made of everything. People, even Magats, didn't feel like celebrating that shit. It wasn't a lack of tickets that kept the crowds away.

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Reply The TikTok Kids Did Not Effect The Crowd Size at The Rally. (Original post)
pamela Jun 2020 OP
Arkansas Granny Jun 2020 #1
brush Jun 2020 #31
Tree-Hugger Jun 2020 #2
Laelth Jun 2020 #3
Blue_true Jun 2020 #29
Beaverhausen Jun 2020 #4
LizBeth Jun 2020 #5
Mariana Jun 2020 #19
LizBeth Jun 2020 #27
KLRIQ2 Jun 2020 #6
pamela Jun 2020 #9
Arkansas Granny Jun 2020 #32
mucifer Jun 2020 #17
Mariana Jun 2020 #21
panader0 Jun 2020 #28
33taw Jun 2020 #7
LiberalFighter Jun 2020 #10
Iggo Jun 2020 #13
Hermit-The-Prog Jun 2020 #8
riversedge Jun 2020 #15
tavernier Jun 2020 #11
Iggo Jun 2020 #12
pamela Jun 2020 #14
33taw Jun 2020 #16
ProfessorGAC Jun 2020 #18
Gothmog Jun 2020 #20
Hermit-The-Prog Jun 2020 #23
Caliman73 Jun 2020 #22
pamela Jun 2020 #26
Caliman73 Jun 2020 #30
stillcool Jun 2020 #24
Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2020 #25
uponit7771 Jun 2020 #33
Ms. Toad Jun 2020 #34

Response to pamela (Original post)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 12:16 PM

1. That's true. Nobody stopped his cult from showing up.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 03:22 PM

31. The teens didn't stop the megas from coming but they certainly drove up the estimates the campaign..

announced...800,000, they got publicly trolled and embarrassed.

Let's see what happens next week in Phoenix.

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Response to pamela (Original post)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 12:18 PM

2. What they don't mention ...

They don't talk about the lack of overflow. Yes, the kids bought up a ton of tickets and made him think he had a million people on the way. I applaud their efforts and it gives me joy to see Zoomers use their powers for good. However, they made plans for an overflow crowd, hence the stage and the planned outdoor speech. Even if there were so many people who wanted to come but couldn't have tickets, they would have showed up for the overflow rally. And they just didn't. No one else came.

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Response to pamela (Original post)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 12:18 PM

3. Very few people were willing to risk getting sick.

Thatís why attendance was so low. What the Kpop and TikTok folks did was to massively inflate expectations. It worked, and it was brilliant.

-Laelth

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Response to Laelth (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 01:44 PM

29. When their asses are on the line, MAGATS pay attention to science.

Their problem is they are so wrapped up in the notion that White people in America are being "replaced", a notion that is pure lunacy. White people will no longer have the deck stacked heavily in their favor, but they as a group are going to be perfectly ok.

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Response to pamela (Original post)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 12:19 PM

4. But the campaign was crowing about the 800K RSVPs

Itís about the optics. Yes, turnout was low because most wonít fall for his crap anymore but the campaign talked up what they thought would be a huge overflow crowd.

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Response to pamela (Original post)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 12:21 PM

5. They put out a tweet an hour before saying there was room, plenty of room. Come on down.

No one did. People not showing was not about no tickets, fans unable to acquire a ticket for entrance. Is that really what media is saying?

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Response to LizBeth (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 12:58 PM

19. When they sent that message out, people were sitting down to supper.

Even his fans who had decided not to go weren't about to leap up and race to the venue at the last minute, when they had no idea if they really would be admitted.

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Response to Mariana (Reply #19)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 01:20 PM

27. I doubt them not showing had anything to do with not knowing if they would be admitted.

We were seeing massive amounts of empty seats. It was a cry of desperation.

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Response to pamela (Original post)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 12:22 PM

6. It was not finite ticket supply...

Infinite digital ticketing means that anyone that wanted to go went. The campaign may try to hide behind the TikTok demon, but it had no effect on turnout.

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Response to KLRIQ2 (Reply #6)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 12:40 PM

9. Exactly.

I've been shocked at the number of resisters on Twitter who are promoting the idea that the tiktok kids "bought up all the tickets so the Magats couldn't get them." They mean it as praise but it plays into the "Magats as victims" meme and simply isn't true. There were plenty of tickets available all week long.

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Response to pamela (Reply #9)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 03:43 PM

32. If Brad Parscale was bragging about 800,000 ticket requests for a venue

that seated 19,000 you know that they had no intention of limiting the number sold. They knew that not all those who requested tickets would show, but they did expect to fill BOK Arena at the very least.

MAGAts just didn't show.

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Response to KLRIQ2 (Reply #6)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 12:54 PM

17. But it effected the optics. Maybe they would have gotten a smaller venue the empty seats

were brutal and being in a space a third that size and overflowing would have had the media discussing "trump's comeback!"

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Response to KLRIQ2 (Reply #6)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 12:59 PM

21. I think it affected turnout.

I think a lot of fans decided not to go, because they figured their chance of admission into the arena was just about nil.

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Response to KLRIQ2 (Reply #6)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 01:20 PM

28. Weren't tickets available on site?

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Response to pamela (Original post)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 12:31 PM

7. Trump needs a new method of getting out his message. Rallies will not work at this time.

Iím not sure he can even fill the Jacksonville convention location for his acceptance speech.

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Response to 33taw (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 12:40 PM

10. Zoom??

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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #10)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 12:46 PM

13. He can do that from the bunker.

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Response to pamela (Original post)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 12:34 PM

8. You cannot prove that no one stayed away because of anticipating a too-crowded space.

It is reasonable to speculate that the "TikTok Kids" did, in fact, affect the crowd size by convincing some would-be attendees that the stadium would be crowded, which would increase the risk of spreading the virus.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #8)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 12:52 PM

15. I think the Kids were one factor, but I also think the warning for days of a crowded indoor space

did have some effect.

IMHO

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Response to pamela (Original post)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 12:43 PM

11. And that arena can whistle for their millions.

Theyíll never see that money.

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Response to pamela (Original post)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 12:45 PM

12. They're the reason the expectation was so high, but they're not the reason nobody showed up.

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Response to Iggo (Reply #12)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 12:48 PM

14. Exactly.

And that's even better. They played him like a fiddle but the low turnout was all Trump.

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Response to pamela (Reply #14)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 12:53 PM

16. They also cost him or Tulsa for additional set-up, big screens, security....

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Response to pamela (Original post)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 12:56 PM

18. Totally Agree

It's a pathetic excuse and we shouldn't accept excuses.

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Response to pamela (Original post)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 12:58 PM

20. From the Hoarse Whisperer

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #20)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 01:09 PM

23. If "[t]hese phony ticket requests never factor into our thinking", explain the overflow setup.

Parscale can't spin away pesky, known, verified, inconvenient facts.

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Response to pamela (Original post)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 01:02 PM

22. I am okay with the Tik Tok Kids getting credit.

Think about how that affects Trump. He will now have to consider whether he can fill another venue for the rest of the campaign. All of the difficulty securing a place, then to have thousands of tickets requested and not know if anyone will show up? That will weigh heavily on him and his campaign staff. There is not too much that they can do about it either. They can't keep people from ordering massive amounts of tickets and simply sitting on them.


I agree, that Trump isn't as popular as he considers himself, but this throws another worry into his head and anything that stresses him out is good with me.

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Response to Caliman73 (Reply #22)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 01:17 PM

26. They deserve a lot of credit. It was turning into blame, though.

The right wingers were picking up on the idea that the poor, poor Magats couldn't get tickets because the TikTok kids "bought" them all. That simply isn't true. Tickets were available all week.

I love what they did, I just think it's getting twisted and misunderstood. They punked the campaign and Trump into believing their hype and that's hysterical. But, Trump is to blame, entirely, for the poor turnout. People, even Magats, just aren't that into him anymore.

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Response to pamela (Reply #26)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 02:38 PM

30. We must operate under the assumption that conservatives will always cry foul.

That is what they do. They are weak and stupid. They cheat ALL the time and then when we do something within the rules or whatever, they cry about their persecution.

We have to stop caring about when they cry foul.

For me, I don't care that the Tik Tok kids did anything. They should do it again, over and over so that Trump understands that he will NEVER have a full venue again.

There are two and only two narratives that we should be pushing.

1. He got punked by teenagers because he and his campaign are stupid.
2. People didn't show up at his rally because he isn't very popular.

One of those should be our response.

When they say, "Radical protesters scared people away!!" We say, "Yeah, radical teenage girls on their iPhones"

If they respond as Parscale did that, "It was not Tik Tok teens!" Our response is, "Okay, then it was just because people aren't that into you anymore".

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Response to pamela (Original post)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 01:12 PM

24. I think they helped the hype...

no one does hype better than Donald, but in this one case the hype bit back.

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Response to pamela (Original post)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 01:13 PM

25. Exactly. It's not like they announced "sold out"...

... or something to that effect.

The low turnout was from lack of excitement.

And you're right, the main role of the kids was to make the Trump team too optimistic about it.

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Response to pamela (Original post)

Mon Jun 22, 2020, 02:55 AM

33. K&R,

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Response to pamela (Original post)

Mon Jun 22, 2020, 03:38 AM

34. I haven't seen anyone say that,

aside from people trying to disprove it.

Your second paragraph is essentially what every report I've seen is saying.

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