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Grasswire2

(13,568 posts)
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 01:24 PM Jun 2020

GET OVER the idea that the KIDS spoiled Trump's rally! It couldn't have happened like that.


Sam Stein points out the logical fact that..

Tickets were free and unlimited.

Anyone who wanted one or more could get tickets.

Therefore, the kids' prank did not prevent anyone from being there.

The truth is............only 6000 plus people WANTED TO BE THERE.

NYT has prompted a false narrative (kids kept crowds away) that Trump campaign must be crowing about today.

The truth is HE COULDN"T DRAW A CROWD OF 7,000

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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GET OVER the idea that the KIDS spoiled Trump's rally! It couldn't have happened like that. (Original Post) Grasswire2 Jun 2020 OP
That is exactly right DonaldsRump Jun 2020 #1
not quite yaesu Jun 2020 #78
Can't get over what I don't give a rat's butt about Cary Jun 2020 #2
K&R! ProfessorGAC Jun 2020 #3
Absolutely. Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2020 #4
And they didn't stopdiggin Jun 2020 #57
Love it! The narcissist was inflated and Parscale was too chickenshit to tell him otherwise. Hermit-The-Prog Jun 2020 #68
And maybe parscaley was not as smart as he gave himself credit for. erronis Jun 2020 #86
i love that the young peops did this questionseverything Jun 2020 #113
I tell ya what..IF i had a ticket - no way would I go if 799,999 other people jmg257 Jun 2020 #5
The prank is ... VMA131Marine Jun 2020 #6
Correct rusty fender Jun 2020 #39
Yes, and also... Reader Rabbit Jun 2020 #51
So, not a single WH staffer nor member of the campaign team nor MAGAT LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jun 2020 #72
Nope, 'twas a Buttigieg staffer on Tik-Tok who got the ball rolling relayerbob Jun 2020 #81
Exactly..so yes they did successfully prank dotard's rally Thekaspervote Jun 2020 #74
I hope none of those great kids see this thread marginalizing what they did. yaesu Jun 2020 #85
Whether it had an effect or not, the young people got involved and that's important. dreamland Jun 2020 #7
+1000..and saw that they made a difference Thekaspervote Jun 2020 #75
Here is what I want to know . Were there actually tons of protesters there preventing smirkymonkey Jun 2020 #8
It's not a "rumour", it's just a lie by the Trump campaign. Mariana Jun 2020 #20
I thought so. smirkymonkey Jun 2020 #28
No. pamela Jun 2020 #30
Thanks Pamela! smirkymonkey Jun 2020 #63
Good luck with your family! From what I've understood, no armaments are sufficient. Silence and erronis Jun 2020 #88
I believe older adults, combined with the kids on the 2 social media platforms, contributed to the onetexan Jun 2020 #9
Which means shanti Jun 2020 #46
plus its first come first serve....there were ONLY 6600 ppl planning to attend... samnsara Jun 2020 #10
In Oklahoma! MiniMe Jun 2020 #12
Covidhoma! rusty fender Jun 2020 #40
Cute. Having lived just north in Kansas.... erronis Jun 2020 #90
It goes without saying rusty fender Jun 2020 #110
Yes - it's first come, first serve NewJeffCT Jun 2020 #49
You're looking at it wrong... lame54 Jun 2020 #11
exactly Locrian Jun 2020 #73
Here's the thing melman Jun 2020 #13
Thanks for that link. It explains quite a bit - more like disrupting the media machine.... erronis Jun 2020 #91
Exactly edhopper Jun 2020 #103
it demonstrates that the social media savvy trump campaign isn't so social media savvy. uncle ray Jun 2020 #111
He'd have succeeded but for those meddling kids ! OnDoutside Jun 2020 #14
Yep pamela Jun 2020 #15
Yes, but matt819 Jun 2020 #16
You just don't get it. Voltaire2 Jun 2020 #17
+1 fleur-de-lisa Jun 2020 #22
Yes, OP does not understand the reason. nt USALiberal Jun 2020 #25
Yeah melman Jun 2020 #27
Also, the K-Poppers had a huge online presence against anti-BLM assholes. n/t demmiblue Jun 2020 #31
+1. They proved to the world that Parscale and Trump were full of shit. dalton99a Jun 2020 #33
Yep DU is showing it's demographics GusBob Jun 2020 #43
This is exactly it. Wheezy Jun 2020 #48
Exactly. honest.abe Jun 2020 #56
That's it, they caused the campaign to artificially inflate the response and number of people.... George II Jun 2020 #77
JFC, can we please just revel in BOTH? SMC22307 Jun 2020 #18
Yes! fleur-de-lisa Jun 2020 #23
There ya go. 👍 nt crickets Jun 2020 #55
You understand that's not the narrative nyt is pushing right? uponit7771 Jun 2020 #107
No, sir. This is the West, sir. Brother Buzz Jun 2020 #19
Who cares? Trump was publicly humiliated. fleur-de-lisa Jun 2020 #21
That is the key outcome here. The utter embarrasment of it all yellowdogintexas Jun 2020 #36
I don't care who was responsible, that was quite the epic fail! Initech Jun 2020 #24
You miss the real reason, see post 17! nt USALiberal Jun 2020 #26
yes but, come on Skittles Jun 2020 #29
You don't understand the prank at all! unitedwethrive Jun 2020 #32
Right and Trump had to know there were not a million. He is the fool to promote that expectation. LizBeth Jun 2020 #34
Thank you. Tipperary Jun 2020 #35
Yeah, but the kids made his team - and him - hype the shit out of it. NNadir Jun 2020 #37
So NYT once again plays defence for Trump! How can they be so blatent! bobbieinok Jun 2020 #38
Don't take the OPs word for it. Ms. Toad Jun 2020 #87
It's the headline not content of the article that's misleading uponit7771 Jun 2020 #108
The NYT DENVERPOPS Jun 2020 #89
The "story" should be the NYT and their false narrative. NoMoreRepugs Jun 2020 #41
Nope. Mostly it's the OP that got back footed on this one stopdiggin Jun 2020 #61
Did you read the articles? Ms. Toad Jun 2020 #105
'There will be no empty seats' keithbvadu2 Jun 2020 #42
wrong NewJeffCT Jun 2020 #44
then explain the "over a million tickets" claim stopdiggin Jun 2020 #70
think you're wrong, NewJeffCT. These weren't reserved seats. Good try, tho. erronis Jun 2020 #92
Wrong whopis01 Jun 2020 #102
I explained that to someone just this morning. catrose Jun 2020 #45
Could you please link to the story that says that kids kept Trump Sloumeau Jun 2020 #47
They didn't. And the NYT didn't say they did. stopdiggin Jun 2020 #67
Exactly. All it did, if it's true, is inflate the numbers the campaign thought they'd get.... George II Jun 2020 #50
Also don't forget that they moved the date from Friday to Saturday Mr.Bill Jun 2020 #52
2 seconds ago barbtries Jun 2020 #53
I like the story either way Sucha NastyWoman Jun 2020 #54
I kept pointing that out on Twitter. AJT Jun 2020 #58
I have not seen anyone, including the NY Times, suggest that the stunt prevented anyone Ms. Toad Jun 2020 #59
+1 stopdiggin Jun 2020 #71
+2 demmiblue Jun 2020 #80
Interesting. Brad Pasacale and the Trump campaign are saying same thing GusBob Jun 2020 #60
Fact: JohnQFunk Jun 2020 #62
Except that the OPs claims about what the NY Times said are fake news. Ms. Toad Jun 2020 #104
Sorry, I think that is just bullshit. n/t Marrah_Goodman Jun 2020 #115
K & R SunSeeker Jun 2020 #64
True the TikTok ticket buyers didn't cause the low turnout hellacia Jun 2020 #65
The kids tricked the tRump CAMPAIGN into OVER-BILLING THE SIZE of the upcoming rally. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2020 #66
The expectations were so high, the fall was even more precipitous. NT Happy Hoosier Jun 2020 #69
YES THEY DID!!!! yaesu Jun 2020 #76
EXACTLY CORRECT relayerbob Jun 2020 #79
I could care less about the RW excuses for low turnout despite some time and money wasting pranks. lambchopp59 Jun 2020 #82
The truth is those kids did great, lets not have threads knocking those trying to help us yaesu Jun 2020 #83
Ding, Ding, Ding Ferrets are Cool Jun 2020 #84
Do you think that since there was no guarrantee they would get in... BadGimp Jun 2020 #93
That's what I think, too. Mariana Jun 2020 #97
Here's the simple breakdown sheepfarm Jun 2020 #94
Another post telling people how to feel. SlogginThroughIt Jun 2020 #95
Whatever. I just like the thought that Trump got punked on his "own" media... Wounded Bear Jun 2020 #96
Who cares? Act_of_Reparation Jun 2020 #98
Exactly. Ragging on the kids for doing the right thing is a bit much. onetexan Jun 2020 #106
Who cares. The optics are permanent. budkin Jun 2020 #99
A couple things... BGBD Jun 2020 #100
This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Jun 2020 #101
We are discussing the disastrous turnout. You're not? (n/t) SMC22307 Jun 2020 #112
It did nothing in relation to the turn out at the rally malaise Jun 2020 #109
What the kids did was inflate the bubble of expectations. haele Jun 2020 #114
But what the kids did was give him a false sense of woodsprite Jun 2020 #116

DonaldsRump

(7,715 posts)
1. That is exactly right
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 01:26 PM
Jun 2020

The prank is funny, but the dismal turnout is due to Trump's dismal support, as well as people fearing getting infected. Both of these issues are attributable solely to Trump and his "mal"-administration that has wrecked everything for us.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
78. not quite
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 04:01 PM
Jun 2020

they made it look like a "yuge" crowd which made tRumpers brag about it, millions wanted to show up. any help to defeat the fascists is welcome.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
2. Can't get over what I don't give a rat's butt about
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 01:26 PM
Jun 2020

Orange Hitler and his million moron cult following can go pound sand up their asses.

They disgust me.

stopdiggin

(11,296 posts)
57. And they didn't
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 03:26 PM
Jun 2020

here's the real headline running in the NYT today --

TikTok Teens and K-Pop Stans Say They Sank Trump Rally
Did a successful prank inflate attendance expectations for President Trump’s rally in Tulsa, Okla.?

That's a long, long way from "providing cover" or excuses for the Trump operation.
The real story here .. as anyone who is following the story would understand .. is that the Zoomers helped the Trump campaign to mightily embarrass themselves. And good on them!

The NYT simply reported on that. No cover, no claims, no excuses.
We could try to be a little more accurate when we're doing our outrage?

erronis

(15,241 posts)
86. And maybe parscaley was not as smart as he gave himself credit for.
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 04:12 PM
Jun 2020

I'm a bit of a web/software guru too (still active in the field after 50 years), but I sure as shit shouldn't be asked for advice on how to run a corrupt president's media campaign.

questionseverything

(9,651 posts)
113. i love that the young peops did this
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 08:10 PM
Jun 2020

embarrassed him and his admin by thinking 100,000 peops are showing up and they only get 6000

I told my granddaughter to tell gen z,keep it up,get under his skin, the more off balance he is the better off we are

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
5. I tell ya what..IF i had a ticket - no way would I go if 799,999 other people
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 01:30 PM
Jun 2020

Gonna be there. Maybe others felt the same?

I hate waiting 5 min for dinner, the hell with a million people at a stupid speech, in a pandemic.

VMA131Marine

(4,138 posts)
6. The prank is ...
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 01:31 PM
Jun 2020

that the Trump campaign thought they were getting data from 1 million potential Trump voters. In reality, that data is mostly useless because people were creating email accounts just to register for tickets multiple times. And, obviously, the massive number of registrations set expectations for a massive overflow crowd that didn’t materialise.

 

rusty fender

(3,428 posts)
39. Correct
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 02:46 PM
Jun 2020

This the prank.

Some Magats started lining up on Thursday in order to get inside the venue. Only 6,200-6,600 showed up. These were the die-hard Trumpasses and some of them may die hard as a result of the rabid support.

Reader Rabbit

(2,624 posts)
51. Yes, and also...
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 03:04 PM
Jun 2020

...the prank convinced a mess of Trump-humpers that they had to line up days early if they wanted to get a seat, as well as prompting the campaign to hubristically brag about their yuuuuuge numbers.

72. So, not a single WH staffer nor member of the campaign team nor MAGAT
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 03:54 PM
Jun 2020

nor anyone who is a Trump supporter nor RW media whore -- not a single one of them -- has a child who is active on Tik Tok who would have bragged to their parent about the prank. And that person would have ignored it and not passed the information to someone who could use it, like Pascale?

My bet is on the Russians. They have already demonstrated a capability for pulling off such a stunt. It would be great if someone did some investigating to determine the actual source of the ticket requests.

Regardless of that, Fat Donnie had so pumped himself up that he believed his own shit. It's like when the crying baby Trump blimp was slashed by a miscreant and it revealed there was nothing inside but helium. Even a piñata has something of value (candy!) inside.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
85. I hope none of those great kids see this thread marginalizing what they did.
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 04:08 PM
Jun 2020

I mean Stein should be going after the fascists, not the kids.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
8. Here is what I want to know . Were there actually tons of protesters there preventing
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 01:34 PM
Jun 2020

people from getting in the building and scaring people away (another one of their excuses). I didn't watch the event, but I did check out some of the coverage and the only person I saw was the lone woman in the "I can't breathe" T-shirt, who was carted away by the cops.

I did not see any other protesters, but I may have just missed them. Is there any truth to that rumor?

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
20. It's not a "rumour", it's just a lie by the Trump campaign.
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 02:05 PM
Jun 2020

If there were ANY evidence of this, it would be plastered everywhere. But, we have no pictures and no video of this happening. There's nothing in the news stories about the rally or the protests outside indicate that anyone was prevented from entering by protesters. The Trump campaign lied.

pamela

(3,469 posts)
30. No.
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 02:22 PM
Jun 2020

There were multiple entrances. Protesters had one partially blocked for about 15-30 minutes a few hours before it began when they were first letting people in. Police moved them along, they moved on without incident and that was it.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
63. Thanks Pamela!
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 03:40 PM
Jun 2020

I will be seeing my family for the first time since Christmas over the 4th of July and just wanted to make sure I was armed with the facts!

erronis

(15,241 posts)
88. Good luck with your family! From what I've understood, no armaments are sufficient. Silence and
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 04:17 PM
Jun 2020

a knowing smile may be the best.

Stupid loves stupid.

They won't learn until a cataclysmic event changes their lives completely. It may be too late.

onetexan

(13,036 posts)
9. I believe older adults, combined with the kids on the 2 social media platforms, contributed to the
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 01:34 PM
Jun 2020

high ticket order, prompting the staff to add the overflow venue. How else can you explain the high ticket order? I also believe that many of the Idiot's supporters signed up but did not show up, either due to covid or because they had something better to do. He no longer has the pull he did in 2016 with his base.

 

rusty fender

(3,428 posts)
110. It goes without saying
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 06:41 PM
Jun 2020

that I sincerely hope that you and your loved ones never get infected with covid, but with 6200 possible spreaders, the virus may spread throughout the plains

lame54

(35,285 posts)
11. You're looking at it wrong...
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 01:36 PM
Jun 2020

True they did not effect the crowd size

They fueled the constant bragging about it before hand which is the real failure

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
13. Here's the thing
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 01:39 PM
Jun 2020






These crowds aren't ever really an 'organic' thing. They don't just show up there.

There's a lot of outreach and promo done...outreach and promo they felt they didn't have to do because the tik-tok teens convinced them there were a million tickets sold. And in the process exposed the scam of the Trump rally crowds.

Double win for the tik-tok teens!

matt819

(10,749 posts)
16. Yes, but
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 01:52 PM
Jun 2020

The campaign announced they had a million reservations. This may have been at least partly because of the trolling And of course only the true believers showed up

Voltaire2

(13,014 posts)
17. You just don't get it.
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 01:54 PM
Jun 2020

The point is that these scary kpop stans flooded the online ticket system with literally more than a million reservations, and fooled the Trump campaign into bragging about the huge numbers that were going to attend. So much so that they also booked an overflow site.

The humiliating failure last night might well have happened without these kids, but it would not have been nearly so humiliating.

Carry on Kpop Stans!

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
27. Yeah
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 02:18 PM
Jun 2020

I don't really get all the angry pushback at tik-tok teen/kpop-stan story I'm seeing here.


I guess people just want to think Trump is over. But Trump isn't over and it's dangerous to act like he is.

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
43. Yep DU is showing it's demographics
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 02:52 PM
Jun 2020

Us old folks just can't wrap our heads around it

Reminds me of that Bob Dylan song

George II

(67,782 posts)
77. That's it, they caused the campaign to artificially inflate the response and number of people....
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 04:01 PM
Jun 2020

....who were interested in attending.

They didn't prevent anyone who really wanted to go from going. That's even better, the bottom line is only 6,200 people wanted to be there, the "hacking" notwithstanding.

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
18. JFC, can we please just revel in BOTH?
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 01:59 PM
Jun 2020

1) Trump supporters stayed away and 2) teens punked the Trump campaign, evidently thanks to a suggestion from a middle-aged white woman who volunteered with the Buttigieg campaign. Plus, she mentioned Juneteenth and Black Wall Street in her TikTok video, so kudos to her.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
107. You understand that's not the narrative nyt is pushing right?
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 06:15 PM
Jun 2020

They're claiming the K-pop kids caused MAGA to stay away

They did not

yellowdogintexas

(22,250 posts)
36. That is the key outcome here. The utter embarrasment of it all
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 02:42 PM
Jun 2020

Parscale bragging about the huge number of request for tickets. With that many requests, that arena should have filled as well as the overflow. It didn't go down that way.
Surely among that many ticket requests there should have been enough to at least fill the arena, if not the overflow.
Grossly overestimating the potential size of the crowd was very embarassing.

Initech

(100,063 posts)
24. I don't care who was responsible, that was quite the epic fail!
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 02:09 PM
Jun 2020

Celebrate the small victories while you can!

unitedwethrive

(1,997 posts)
32. You don't understand the prank at all!
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 02:28 PM
Jun 2020

By drastically inflating the RSVP numbers, the kids (and I am confident that it was mostly high school aged people who did this, as I have a 17-year-old daughter who is very active on TikTok/Instagram and has been keeping me up-to-date on this all week) were able to excite the Trump campaign staff. Because of their projected attendance, they made plans for, and constructed a second outdoor venue. They talked up the historical proportions of the crowd, and set themselves up for a huge night.

Honestly, if only the Trumper‘s had RSVPed who were planning to attend, and even 2/3 more than that, it’s quite likely that the event would have been canceled. Think about it… 6200 people attended. If 20,000 had RSVPed honestly, the campaign would have thought it was a little risky to proceed and likely would’ve used the Juneteenth issue as a reason to
“respectfully” cancel. The entire fact that this was seen as a huge debacle is because they were expecting so many people, because of the teens who know how to use the power of the internet to spread their cause.

NNadir

(33,512 posts)
37. Yeah, but the kids made his team - and him - hype the shit out of it.
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 02:44 PM
Jun 2020

It's way more beautiful because of our beautiful young people.

Ms. Toad

(34,062 posts)
87. Don't take the OPs word for it.
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 04:16 PM
Jun 2020

Go read the article.

I don't see anything that supports the OP's claim that NYTimes is crediting the teens or k-pop for low turnout.

DENVERPOPS

(8,810 posts)
89. The NYT
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 04:18 PM
Jun 2020

are not any friends of ours.........

A couple of decades ago they were, but it flipped to loving Corporations and RepubliCON's a ways back......

stopdiggin

(11,296 posts)
61. Nope. Mostly it's the OP that got back footed on this one
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 03:35 PM
Jun 2020

see #57. NYT really isn't making any such claims.

Ms. Toad

(34,062 posts)
105. Did you read the articles?
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 06:12 PM
Jun 2020

They say no such thing.

Confirmation bias is dangerous and contributes to the spread of fake news.

keithbvadu2

(36,775 posts)
42. 'There will be no empty seats'
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 02:50 PM
Jun 2020

Last edited Sun Jun 21, 2020, 04:49 PM - Edit history (1)

"We've never had an empty seat.
And we certainly won't in Oklahoma."



NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
44. wrong
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 02:55 PM
Jun 2020

It means that the kids got around 13,000 tickets and actual Trump supporters got fewer than 6,200. Just like when you order tickets to a concert through Ticket Master - you get the tickets (say, Section 101, Row A, Seat 3, 4 and 5) and that seat is gone and unavailable to the next person.

stopdiggin

(11,296 posts)
70. then explain the "over a million tickets" claim
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 03:49 PM
Jun 2020

assigned seats? then what's with the overflow seating area?

whopis01

(3,510 posts)
102. Wrong
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 05:52 PM
Jun 2020

That isn’t how it works at these political rallies.

The seats aren’t assigned. Having a ticket does not guarantee entrance. You can show up without a ticket and still get in. It is first come, first serve when am they start letting people into the venue.

The whole point of the ticket reservation system is so they can better judge how many people are likely to show up.

catrose

(5,065 posts)
45. I explained that to someone just this morning.
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 02:57 PM
Jun 2020

The kids trolled Parscale & the T org, but they didn't keep anyone away who wanted to be there.

Sloumeau

(2,657 posts)
47. Could you please link to the story that says that kids kept Trump
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 02:57 PM
Jun 2020

supporters away? I have seen stories that say that some kids ordered a lot of tickets and that the Trump campaign apparently thought that a lot more people were coming to the rally because of the number of tickets ordered. In addition, I have seen the Trump campaign falsely blame the local protestors for keeping Trump supporters away. However, I haven't seen a story that says that the kids, through their ordering of tickets, actually kept people away. Do you have a link to this story so that I can read it? Thank you very much in advance.

stopdiggin

(11,296 posts)
67. They didn't. And the NYT didn't say they did.
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 03:45 PM
Jun 2020

here's a couple NYT articles today --
What the kids did was actually help the Trump campaign in enormously embarrassing themselves.
Kids didn't stop or prevent anything.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/21/style/tiktok-trump-rally-tulsa.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/20/us/politics/tulsa-trump-rally.html?

George II

(67,782 posts)
50. Exactly. All it did, if it's true, is inflate the numbers the campaign thought they'd get....
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 03:04 PM
Jun 2020

....but it didn't prevent anyone who wanted to go from doing so.

In a sense, that's even worse - only 6200 actually WANTED to go!

And that BS about "protesters" blocking the entrance is bogus, too. There were police at the entrances, and they were keeping it clear.

Mr.Bill

(24,282 posts)
52. Also don't forget that they moved the date from Friday to Saturday
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 03:06 PM
Jun 2020

because of Juneteenth. Think about that...a president of the USA that would have been an insult to black people if he held a rally on that holiday. And they admitted it. If President Obama had given a rally on Juneteenth it would have been the hottest ticket in town and the biggest party in the nation.

What other President can you think of who has admitted his appearance on an ethnic holiday would have been an insult to people of that ethnicity?

barbtries

(28,787 posts)
53. 2 seconds ago
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 03:14 PM
Jun 2020

i swear i was just thinking the exact same thing. There were unlimited tickets. maybe having given away so many discouraged some people from going, but i'm thinking it's a couple other things: there are less of his base than there used to be, and people don't want coronavirus.

Ms. Toad

(34,062 posts)
59. I have not seen anyone, including the NY Times, suggest that the stunt prevented anyone
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 03:27 PM
Jun 2020

from being there.

It is primarily being decribed as trolling Trump; getting him to promise more crowds than he could deliver. That's not the same as preventing turnout.

Trump has been building expectations based on the number of registrations - no one (not even Trump) expected a million people to show up. BUT the higher than anticipated data haul did encourage them to throw caution to the wind and (1) build an outdoor venue and (2) brag louder than usual about how big the crowd would be - unaware of how any of the tickets were purchased by pranksters.

So it likely did cause Trump to spend money on a space to hold some of the pranksters
It did make the flop more spectactular because of all of the bragging based on inflated numbers.

You are correct that he couldn't draw a crowd of 7000. But, aside from people trying to knock down a "false narrative" I haven't seen anyone seriously promoting the narrative you are trying to dispute.

Ms. Toad

(34,062 posts)
104. Except that the OPs claims about what the NY Times said are fake news.
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 06:08 PM
Jun 2020

They said no such thing.

We need to stop mimicking the right win fake news spin.

hellacia

(13 posts)
65. True the TikTok ticket buyers didn't cause the low turnout
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 03:44 PM
Jun 2020

More importantly what they did do is mess up Brad Parscale's data haul big time; a much more important achievement.

Trump's campaign thought they had harvested 100s of thousands of likely voter contact information. Turns out it is almost entirely bogus. They're going to have to throw out every name, phone number, and email address they collected for this rally because they can't know what is good and what isn't.

The whole point of the thing was to get voter info and work the list for Trump's benefit. The TikTok gambit totally ruined that for them. Totally makes this rainy day full of sunshine for me.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
76. YES THEY DID!!!!
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 03:57 PM
Jun 2020

they made him and his staff look like fools when the were bragging about the million people wanting to take part. Those kids did that. IT WASN"T ABOUT THE NUMBERS< IT WAS ABOUT THE PRANK!!!!!!!

lambchopp59

(2,809 posts)
82. I could care less about the RW excuses for low turnout despite some time and money wasting pranks.
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 04:03 PM
Jun 2020

But I have deep concern that 7000 freshly COVID-19 inoculated, freshly indoctrinated and excited IDIOTS flew, drove or took the train home, sans masks or any other protection or concern for the general public they meet, go home and hug their families, brag to friends, to the likely outcome of an exacerbation of the COVID epidemic.
If there were "successful" pranks, embarrassment, fear stoking or simply attempts to pound plain common sense into republicans to avoid going to a disease sharing ritual would be chalked up to possible life-saving measures in my book.
As a caregiver, I can't judge a person's actions that led to them catching diseases. I simply care for them with empathetic and caring detachment.
But it makes me angry as hell at IDIOTS who go stroke their hero's need for adulation, spreading disease and misery, risking their own and other's children as collateral damage.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
83. The truth is those kids did great, lets not have threads knocking those trying to help us
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 04:03 PM
Jun 2020

belittle, minimize what the did, I don't give a rats about the fine points, they did good.

BadGimp

(4,015 posts)
93. Do you think that since there was no guarrantee they would get in...
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 04:27 PM
Jun 2020

and that so many tickets were reserved...

That a whole lot of MAGAts just stayed home?

I would have not taken the risk even if AOC, Elizabeth Warren, and Kamala Harris were the openers...

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
97. That's what I think, too.
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 04:56 PM
Jun 2020

Who wants to stand around outside all day in the heat and humidity, when they've been told their actual chance of admission is slim to none?

sheepfarm

(38 posts)
94. Here's the simple breakdown
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 04:27 PM
Jun 2020

1. As mentioned by the OP, tickets to the event were unlimited and that entry to the arena would be first come, first served provided you had a ticket to gain entrance in the first place. So no one from the tik-tok/K-pop plot essentially prevented anyone from gaining entry to the event.

2. The campaign boasted that ~1 million tickets had been allocated to the event (we don't know exactly how realistic this was), forcing an additional outdoor stage for attendance overflow to be created that would hold twice the (capacity) crowd inside, with speeches being made from the outdoor stage inc. one from Drumpf.

3. The rumours/hype built up by this "one million" figure ensured that some deplorables camped outside the arena up to 48 hours before Drumpf's speech was due, so they could have some of the best seats in the house to hear & see their master.

Result? One of three things happened (a) the campaign team knew that the ticket reservations were being deliberately sabotaged/inflated, but hadn't the heart/courage to tell the gobshite in chief lest he fired them to protect his vision of hundreds of thousands being desperate to be at the rally, or (b) the campaign team again knew that the ticket reservations were inflated, but tried to use such figures to present a picture that such a mass gathering would encourage even more people to attend, which would help offset some of the "ghost" reservations otherwise, or (c) the campaign team genuinely thought that the ~1 million ticket reservations were largely genuine, and didn't suspect anything, or thought that such a campaign to sabotage the hype would have no measurable effect.

And the fallout?

The organisers, whom talked up these numbers, only ended up with ~0.6% of the bodies in attendance at the event, not even filling the venue up to a third of capacity. Major fail already.

There was money also wasted on building the overflow stage that in the eventual event was never required. More money was also wasted on security for a much higher number of attendees that were expected. Another fail.

The Drumpf cultists that spent up to two nights before camping outside the arena to get prime viewing seats fell for the hype, and they won't be sure whom to blame. The confidence that many of them have in Drumpfler won't at this stage likely have totally fallen, but it'll certainly have been shaken. Chalk up another "fail".

There would have been great potential in building up the database of those whom made ticket reservations for the event to be an important calling list. We don't know exactly how many of these entries were spoilers - I seriously doubt it was around half a million or so involved in this massive bit of trolling - but there's likely to be enough data in that database that was filled with fake or disposable info to make it close to useless for the Drumpf campaign team to use to be able to filter out the genuine support from fake. Major fail right there.

And finally, there is Drumpfler himself. Even if he had been warned in advance that the one million figure was grossly exaggerated (which given all tales leaked from the WH would seem unlikely), to speak to a 20k capacity arena that is not even a third full will have a major blow on his ego. He will be asking how did this happen? Can he trust members of his reelection team to be open/honest to him (almost certainly not the case as it is)? Is he wondering does his "authority" stemming from his massive self-confidence no longer resonate with the GOP electorate? Not too long ago at a packed campaign rally, all Drumpf would have to shout was "jump!" and most in attendance would have yelled back "how high?" yet last night was as dull as any he has had, with only being able to drink a cup of water with one hand and then chucking it away rousing the deplorables. It can all be summed up by how he got off the plane back at the WH after the event. That folks is an EPIC fail!

And that is before we're even get down to how so few people showed up to actually attend the rally, regardless of just how many ticket reservations were.

This was a 4chan-esque style trolling/sabotage of a Trump campaign rally - this time the tables had somewhat turned. You can bet your backside that had the asshole central known as /pol/ did this with a Democrat candidate, they'd all be exhausted from all the dry-humping of their anime waifu's done in celebration to "wrecking" the Dem's night. This time, their own tactics were used on their "daddy" to good effect.

So, yeah, this tik-tok/K-pop ticket sabotage plan was not the be all and end all of last night's GOP humiliation, but it certainly helped. And if the organisers had known what the real numbers attending would have been, they might have made their excuses to postpone or cancel the rally to try and save face. Instead, they got exposed.

If you want the current sh*t gibbon out of the WH, don't be dissing what Gen-Z have done here. They have done a massive service in opening up and exposing the current Drumpf reelection campaign that may not have been visible otherwise by getting the campaign team to (likely) believe in their own hype.

 

SlogginThroughIt

(1,977 posts)
95. Another post telling people how to feel.
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 04:30 PM
Jun 2020

What is it with these types of posts lately? How is it that people think they have agency over other people? Crazy.

The whole idea was that the teens inflated dipshits ego and watched the air come out of the enormous orange balloon.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
98. Who cares?
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 04:56 PM
Jun 2020

I'm not going to shit all over kids getting involved in politics at a time when their interest is desperately needed.

onetexan

(13,036 posts)
106. Exactly. Ragging on the kids for doing the right thing is a bit much.
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 06:13 PM
Jun 2020

They succeeded in their prank. GOOD FOR THEM. Maybe the poster of this thread needs to give the kids their credit. To succesfully pull off a huge prank like this takes alot of coordination. These tech savvy young people did it. We should applaud them for it and tell them to keep up the good work. They're with us.

 

BGBD

(3,282 posts)
100. A couple things...
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 05:07 PM
Jun 2020

First, the Trump Campaign surely had some knowledge that lots of tickets were being requested by trolls who had no intention of coming to the rally. They likely didn't care because it is all general admission, so requesting a ticket doesn't preclude anyone else from attending if they want to. Also it helped them to claim millions of people were requesting tickets, thus making it seem like support was much higher than it really was.

They almost surely thought it would be a packed house with ample overflow outside. This was a rally in a pretty deeply red area, so I'm sure they thought they could pull in 30k people, which would have fulled the arena and left plenty to people outside that they could use pictures of to make the crowd look very large. However, 6k people actually came out, which make the area look sparsely filled and like a ghost town outside.

That is the worst outcome possible for this highly touted event. They would much rather people believe that some conspiracy from outside actors hurt even attendance rather than the truth, which is that nobody came.

Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

malaise

(268,939 posts)
109. It did nothing in relation to the turn out at the rally
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 06:17 PM
Jun 2020

What it did was make the idiots boast about very high numbers and overflow and prepare for both..

For that the kids deserve lots of praise.

haele

(12,647 posts)
114. What the kids did was inflate the bubble of expectations.
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 09:24 PM
Jun 2020

This probably lead to a miscalculation by the campaign team, so instead of lowering expectations before the event and appearing to be on top of the situation. They could have turned around the optics (COVID safety precautions, etc), but no, they were caught flat footed.

Haele

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