Some BIG endorsements for Eliot Engel in the NY-16 Democratic Primary:

[George II]

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[Demsrule86]

1. Good ...shitty way to treat a sitting Democrat.

[George II]

2. Especially one with a proven record and one of the top 10 progressive Representatives.

[PTWB]

11. Engel sunk his own ship.

[PTWB]

12. Want to know what's shitty?

For a Representative to say he wouldn’t care about speaking at the protests if not for the primary.

Engel sunk his own ship.

[Mariana]

18. He also characterized an endorsement of his opponent as "dictatorship".

That was both stupid and hypocritical. He didn't say anything like that about the endorsements he received, did he?

"This is not a dictatorship. This is a democracy. We shouldn't have one person, from high, even though she's a colleague of mine, think that she can anoint whoever's elected."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213562141

[George II]

81. That's not what he said and you know it.

[PTWB]

82. What's your interpretation of what he said?

"If I didn't have a primary I wouldn't care." I took offense to his callous remarks. So did the VERY PERSON HE SAID THEM TO! See for yourself.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/06/03/eliot-engel-new-york-congressman-primary-hot-mic.cnn

But even more importantly, so did the voters of his district. It looks like they're sending his ass packing.

[Gothmog]

3. These are great endorsements

[murielm99]

4. K&R

[lapucelle]

5. I don't think it's wise to replace a ranking Democrat with a former middle school principal

who accidentally registered with the wrong political party and didn't catch the mistake until more than a decade later.

[manhattan123]

25. A former middle school principal?

Oh no!!

And AOC was a former bartender!!!!!!1!!!!

I'm just curious, what is the acceptable job for someone to have before running for Congress?

[lapucelle]

26. Any job is fine, as is unemployed. It's even OK if the candidate mistakenly

registered with an obscure party because he or she confused Independence Party with independent (unaffiliated) voter.

After all, I'm sure many people find the form bewildering.



Taking 15 years to realize the error is problematic, as is failing to cast a vote for president in a general election.

[manhattan123]

27. I didn't ask you about his party registration, but why you snarked about him being a principal

Most educators are good people. Sorry if his being a middle school principal doesn't live up to your high standards.

[lapucelle]

28. Re-read the complete sentence.

[manhattan123]

30. Yeah, I read it

I just wasn't sure why you went out of your way in the headline of your post to mention his job, which has NOTHING to do with what kind of congressman he would be.

Now it's not a big deal for you, but apparently it was an hour ago.

But now you can concentrate on his real crime - his former party registration.

Which I actually agree is a valid point. Too bad you stepped on it by inexplicably making a point of him being a former school principal. That just seemed petty.

[lapucelle]

32. School principal is a wonderful position, but I think many people would prefer one

who reads carefully, corrects errors in a timely manner, and takes responsibility for mistakes.

[manhattan123]

36. Jeez, you're still going on this?

Sure, it would be nice to have a candidate who reads a form carefully, but my point was you went out of your way to call him out as "a former middle school principal," and that seems self-defeating for what you were trying to criticize him for.

When folks on the right try to shame AOC for her former job, it's pathetic, and it is disappointing when someone, who presumably is a Democrat, does the same to a candidate they don't like.

But yes, now I get it, you think being a principal is just fine.

[lapucelle]

40. It's good that you understand the meaning of the sentence now.

I was done with it on June 21 when I wrote the post. You are the one one who brought it up three day later.

[manhattan123]

54. I just saw it today, sorry I don't follow your posts

And your subject line was pathetic. But glad to see you're not a job snob. Now you can continue bemoaning poor Eliot's apparent loss against that middle school principal without the job issue.

[R B Garr]

63. Honesty is important. You kicked this thread just today,

so that poster still wasn’t saying anything you are accusing them of. Sorry, but I’ve been lied about recently (not on this thread), and it gets tiring watching these distortions.

[George II]

72. So how do you feel about a candidate whose party endorsed John McCain in 2008, and....

....failed to even bother voting for Barack Obama in 2012?

[melman]

29. Hey

It's okay. We all have bad days.


Feel better tomorrow.

[lapucelle]

34. Yes, we all do have bad days.

Joe Biden won every county in NY. Today is a great day for NY Democrats.

[melman]

35. Then why are you feeling so sad?

[lapucelle]

39. ...

[melman]

44. Yes

Did anyone think Bernie was still in this? Of course not.


Therefore the repeated posting of this graphic indicates something other than cheery feelings.


Some might even call it butthurt. Not me, of course. Just saying some might.

[George II]

49. If he wasn't "still in this" then why did he sue the NYS Board of Elections, demanding....

....that the NYS PRESIDENTIAL primary be held. Remember his reason for not withdrawing from the primaries altogether?

The result of last night's primary, of course, is that he got less than his national average.

[melman]

50. whatevs

[George II]

67. Whatevs? Here's an interesting bit of trivia. Sanders sued NYS, claiming he wanted to build...

...his delegate count for the convention. He got that decision on May 19. Since that date Biden has won 861 delegates, 92% of the delegates awarded. Sanders? 70.

[melman]

70. I hear Denver's lovely this time of year

Ever been?

[George II]

71. Why do you ask?

[melman]

75. No reason

Just wondering.

[George II]

76. "No reason" isn't true. If you did something there WAS a reason for it, right?

[melman]

77. Sure

But you know the reason. That's the thing.


night night!

[George II]

78. No I don't, please do NOT speak for me!

[George II]

80. By the way, got good news today....

A new job:

Part Time With Benefits!

They said I have to work in "shifts" with a giraffe!

[NurseJackie]

85. Congratulations! Is the home office in Madagascar?

[George II]

86. Not sure, but it looks like the day shift is working today.

[NurseJackie]

52. Bazinga!

[George II]

55. Indeed. And I wish people would consider what they're saying before tossing around homophobic....

....expressions, too.

[lapucelle]

51. If only we could get an esteemed psychiatrist's opinion of the use of that offensive term.

[NurseJackie]

53. Damn!

[George II]

56. Oh no you didn't....

[melman]

57. .

[sheshe2]

60. Not a swing and a miss.

On target.

[sheshe2]

58. ...

[George II]

59. Yet another state in which Biden won each and every county. I think Kentucky was the same, but...

....they have an odd ballot - there's an option for "uncommitted", which appears to be leading in some counties. At this time Biden has clearly won with 57%, in second place is "Uncommitted" with 19%, third is Sanders with 11%.

[George II]

73. Beautiful map. Another all-county sweep for Joe Biden, and in a big f-ing state!

[whistler162]

46. No problem with him being a former Middle School Principal

now High School Principal maybe! Really, the only time voter registration is important is if you run for office or during the primaries.

[DenverJared]

6. Solid people appreciate the hard work of Rep. Engel

They are not interested in another Cenk Uygur.

[Autumn]

68. Looks like Engel's district wasn't interested in another Rep. Engel either.

[DenverJared]

79. We shall see when all the ballots are counted

[JonLP24]

7. Looks like his local district prefers Bowman

Eliot Engel Down by Double Digits in New Poll

According to new polling from Data for Progress, middle school principal and progressive congressional candidate Jamaal Bowman has cracked open a 10-point lead in his primary bid to unseat Eliot Engel, the 16-term incumbent in New York’s 16th district. In a survey conducted between June 11 and June 15, Bowman showed a commanding advantage, holding a 41-31 margin over Engel, with 27 percent undecided.

That surprisingly decisive advantage adds even more momentum to Bowman’s campaign, which in recent weeks has been designated as “surging” by various news outlets, including this one. It’s also a sign of remarkable strength at this stage of an election cycle. Two years ago, no public poll showed Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez within 30 points of establishment Congressman Joe Crowley, until Election Night. But Bowman is well ahead in the only poll released thus far in the race’s final stretch.

As one might expect, Bowman, who is running to Engel’s left, enjoys a considerable 43-17 lead with voters under 45, who tend to support progressives overwhelmingly. But Bowman is also winning voters over 45 by 6 percent, non-college-educated voters by 8 percent, college-educated voters by 9 percent, and female voters by 17 percent. His advantage is even more dominant when broken out by racial group: he’s winning Black voters by a startling 56-10 margin. Engel’s best demographic, meanwhile, is whites, who he’s winning 52-30 (it’s the only demographic he’s winning aside from men, who favor him by a 2 percent margin).

The profound support of Bowman from the Black community—a plurality of residents within the district—is particularly noteworthy, given that the Congressional Black Caucus formally endorsed Engel just a few weeks back. In fact, Jim Clyburn, one of the CBC’s foremost members, personally endorsed Engel over Bowman just days ago, well after Engel was caught on a hot mic pleading to speak at a Black Lives Matter rally, while saying, “If I didn’t have a primary, I wouldn’t care.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/prospect.org/api/amp/politics/eliot-engel-down-double-digits-new-poll-jamaal-bowman/

[George II]

8. Data for Progress is not an objective organization:

https://www.dataforprogress.org/

A new generation of progressives is rising — a generation unafraid to fight for what we believe in.

We are a multidisciplinary group of experts using state-of-the-art techniques in data science to support progressive activists and causes.

They are basically consultants to progressive candidates.

There also have been other polls that show Engel up by roughly 8%

[NJCher]

9. looks like

they are credible after all. That was quite a margin by which Engel got beat.

And why didn't all those endorsements work?

[George II]

10. Been waiting three days? Still, Data for Progress is NOT an objective organization.

As they say, even a blind squirrel can find a nut from time to time. Even a broken clock has the right time twice a day.

[NJCher]

16. I guess you didn't understand my question

so I'll be more specific. If an endorsement by Hillary Clinton doesn't do it, what will it take?

Upthread there are claims that Engel is a great progressive. If he was a great progressive, why did the voters choose another candidate so decisively?

Based on your squirrel comment, I will assume you think this race is a fluke and it doesn't portend any trend. The AOC decisive vote is also a fluke, too, right?

[The Magistrate]

19. Mostly, Ma'am, Because He Said Something Stupid On A Hot Mic

He made an error professionals do not get to make. The fella was toast after that, whatever his record or bona fides.


"A terrible blow but that's how it goes."

[NJCher]

21. nah

I don't buy that. To believe that, you would have to have an informed public and we don't have that.

[The Magistrate]

42. That Is The One Thing Everybody Knows, Ma'am

It got a good deal of coverage.

It would take an informed public indeed to oust him over policy positions.

[JonLP24]

92. He voted for the Iraq war. He was opposed to Obama's Iran nuclear deal

I do think that voters ousted him for policy reasons especially BLM.

[The Magistrate]

93. Chances Of That Are Vanishingly Slim, Sir

His open mic comment, of course, does place him at best somewhat to one side of an issue many do take as important, the wide-spread revulsion against police brutality and the racism that reflects. That is one of the things that made that unguarded comment so damaging to him. But for the rest, dear as they may be to your heart, they matter little to the voting public, even in Democratic primaries.

You would have difficulty finding as many as one in ten voters anywhere who have much of an opinion on the Iran agreement, and few of them would view it as a deciding factor in their vote. Most voters do not approve of Iran, do not like its government, its attitudes, its conduct, or its manifest dislike for our country.

As for he voted for the Iraq war', that is not much of a rallying cry outside the hot-house of activist circles. Few cared then, hardly anyone does now. It was nearly twenty years ago, and he has been re-elected many times. It would do no good to say he saw no serious challenge till now, for if that had made him vulnerable, he would have had a challenger.

[JonLP24]

94. AOC defeated Crowley and one of the policies she used against him was his Iraq war vote

Those that supported the Iraq war often lose elections. Young voters remember it as a defining issue of our lives. We grew up with Iraq war protests.

I do agree many people have moved on the issue but as someone who served in Iraq it is not an easy issue for me to forget.

As far as Iran the US allies with Saudi Arabia.

[The Magistrate]

95. Rep. Ocasio-Cortez, Sir, Ran A Good Campaign

She ran against an incumbent who took his district for granted. It is very easy for people who care about policy to overrate its importance in persuading voters. She was, and is, an engaging and vibrant person, with just the right admixture of quick wit and aggressive skill to make people want to have her on their side, and want to identify themselves with her. Voting is generally an emotional exercise, rarely a rational one.

I do not doubt the matter is important to you. I have seen little sign it is important to young people in general. People of an age to have served are hardly young but middle aged by now, for the most part. A soldier who was twenty when President Obama retired our troops from the place would be in his early thirties now. People now in their twenties were barely of an age to read when that war began, and was protested. In its early stages, the endeavor was not unpopular, it was not until it had stretched on several years that support waned enough to matter politically.

I do hope you came through all right, morally and mentally as well as physically.

[JonLP24]

96. I'm on 100% disability from the VA for mental health reasons & tinnitus

Morally I have always been fine.

This is Robby Bowman from our unit who didn't make it.

https://www.iraqwarheroes.org/bowmanl.htm

[The Magistrate]

97. I Am Sorry To Hear That, Sir

I shall not press the matter further with you.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

33. You mean he accidentally showed people who he is.

[The Magistrate]

43. He Certainly Revealed Himself To Be An Over-Confident Incumbent, Sir

No one likes being taken for granted.

[sheshe2]

61. It happens.

It happens a lot.

Hassin Bin Sober
33. You mean he accidentally showed people who he is.

Sig line.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

66. .

[marmar]

13. Didn't work.

[Autumn]

14. Two for two.

[George II]

15. What are you talking about? There were TWO primaries in the 16th?

[Autumn]

17. How soon you have forgotten the other primary race in NY.

Looks like BIG endorsements don't count as much as the voters.

[brooklynite]

31. Actually Berniecrats lost against...

Meeks, Suozzi, Meng, Nadler, Clarke, Velasquez...

[Autumn]

37. Actually AOC and Bowman won over ...Engel and Cabrera. That's 2 for 2...

[brooklynite]

38. So, net 1.

Be still my beating heart.

And we won't mention Booker in KY...

[Autumn]

41. I'm discussing the 2 races that I was interested in. You are free to discuss the ones you are

interested in, but I have no interest in joining in that discussion with you.

[TexasTowelie]

83. .

[Autumn]

84. .

[TexasTowelie]

87. Lovely GIF.

Thanks for sharing.

[Autumn]

88. Yes, a classy perfect response to bullshit. You're welcome, glad you enjoyed it.

[TexasTowelie]

89. You're correct.

I should have used it in my earlier reply.

[Autumn]

90. Feel free to use it. I'll take it as a complement, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

[TexasTowelie]

91. .

[melman]

45. net 1 lol

Are you going to say you weren't pulling for the cable host? lol

[brooklynite]

47. Point to anything I said in support of her...

As with Bowman/Engel, I don't care. This is an absolutely safe D seat. My attention (and money) is on the competitive races.

[melman]

48. Okay

"How someone was previously registered is meaningless. There are former Republicans whom I support as Democrats. There are lifelong Democrats whom I would never support (one will be likely be winning a House seat in a Safe D district this evening). I'll judge each Democratic Primary candidate on their merits (or lack thereof)."


https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=13641444

[brooklynite]

62. "I'll judge each Democratic Primary candidate on their merits"...

That’s an endorsement because.....?

[melman]

64. Oh

So you were against AOC but not for her opponent.


Got it.

[brooklynite]

65. Whee did I say I was against AOC being re-elected?

[George II]

69. Funny how they come to those convoluted conclusions. I was accused the other day...

...of being against women of color because I was talking favorably about her opponent, surprisingly a WOMAN OF COLOR!!!!

[R B Garr]

74. I remember that! Same here. And then correcting

lies is convoluted into somehow I’m promoting her. If she became a Democrat five years ago, obviously she didn’t just switch parties to run against AOC five years later. And a 10 year old book is not recent. And a lousy $2 million from some supposed Wall Street fat cats is an embarrassing pittance, LOL.

Oh well, it’s all they have. The country has decided against that old revolution.

[melman]

20. Big endorsements. The biggest. The most wonderful endorsements anyone has ever seen.

[ismnotwasm]

22. Didn't that person lose his primary?

Did you have a point?

[melman]

23. Yes he sure did

Yes I sure do. Normally I'd leave it at that but I'm feeling generous so I'll spell it out for you. Are you ready? Here it is...


The much touted BIG endorsements didn't mean shit.


Have a great day!

[rusty fender]

24. Post Mortem on NY16 congressional race:

Incumbent loses because the majority of voters wanted the other guy