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highplainsdem

(48,975 posts)
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 10:44 AM Jun 2020

Howard Fineman: Trump doesn't care if he keeps power legitimately. He'll:

1/ Beg dictators to help 2/ Create chaos with budget shutdown 3/ Use #Barr to suppress votes 4/ Reject the count 5/ Contest the count in courts 6/ Defy their rulings 7/Force authorities to remove him Noon Jan. 20, 2021.



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Howard Fineman: Trump doesn't care if he keeps power legitimately. He'll: (Original Post) highplainsdem Jun 2020 OP
I'm a little surprised to hear Howard Fineman say this Poiuyt Jun 2020 #1
Brian Klaas isn't a hair-on-fire type, either, but he tweeted this today: highplainsdem Jun 2020 #6
I agree, but there's no other interpretation of what trump is doing themaguffin Jun 2020 #19
Biden is paying attention....He will pounce in a manner we least expect. ProudMNDemocrat Jun 2020 #2
I believe we have to have a 2008 level or greater of turnout. ms liberty Jun 2020 #3
+1 Turnout is everything. We have to completely overwhelm the Reputins. lagomorph777 Jun 2020 #4
Videos of Trump being dragged out of the White House on January 20 DavidDvorkin Jun 2020 #5
I would love to see him removed by armed guards wryter2000 Jun 2020 #7
Hey Lincoln Project - we need an ad for this! FM123 Jun 2020 #8
Here is one BIG problem with mail in votes in this situation Cosmocat Jun 2020 #9
they need to do what we do in Tarrant County Texas. yellowdogintexas Jun 2020 #18
Thanks Cosmocat Jun 2020 #24
Yes the time delay to do a physical count must be accounted live love laugh Jun 2020 #25
His plan was to have a million of his base stand to block the people trying to remove him on Jan 21 NightWatcher Jun 2020 #10
Remember his call during the DC protests leftieNanner Jun 2020 #12
Worse scenario.. "he mysteriously "wins" when way behind in polls" Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2020 #11
Yup. He's NOT trying to discredit the results. AleksS Jun 2020 #15
Yep. Projection, as always. We have to overwhelm and be diligent. Hermit-The-Prog Jun 2020 #16
We don't have to remove him... lame54 Jun 2020 #13
Good one! I think he would leave within days to go golf or Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2020 #20
Some states didn't sign on to the Constitution to be a dictatorship. roamer65 Jun 2020 #14
Kicking this. I want it to be seen. calimary Jun 2020 #17
Simply let Biden reside and govern from another location in DC. MarcA Jun 2020 #21
He's projecting. He's a dangerous man. dmr Jun 2020 #22
We can't let it get to a "Bush vs Gore" situation. kskiska Jun 2020 #23

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,784 posts)
2. Biden is paying attention....He will pounce in a manner we least expect.
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 10:55 AM
Jun 2020

And get under the skin of Trump using his tweets against him.

ms liberty

(8,573 posts)
3. I believe we have to have a 2008 level or greater of turnout.
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 11:06 AM
Jun 2020

The victory has to be overwhelming and decisive.

wryter2000

(46,039 posts)
7. I would love to see him removed by armed guards
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 11:34 AM
Jun 2020

Although, another DUer suggested waiting until he goes out to play golf and changing the locks.

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
9. Here is one BIG problem with mail in votes in this situation
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 11:49 AM
Jun 2020

If the deadline is the day of or before the election, you can't get the final tally in that night or every in the next few days.

PA expanded its mail in voting for the primary this year and the number of Ds who voted by mail was much greater than Rs, and the "normal" returns we are used to that come in a few hours after polls closed showed that 45 had more votes than Biden and Bernie had total - when all of the mail votes were counted and the final tally came in a a few days later, Biden and Bernie had a good bit more votes than 45.

He W I L L declare victory election night if it works out like this in November, and it will be a HUGE mess.

yellowdogintexas

(22,252 posts)
18. they need to do what we do in Tarrant County Texas.
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 02:18 PM
Jun 2020

Vote by mail ballots may be mailed in the same day the voter receives them, and must be received by the time the polls close on Election Day. Ballots are sent out early enough to give everyone time to get their ballot back in time. It can even be dropped off at the County Elections Office.

However, the mail in ballots are counted daily as they start to come in. When Early Voting begins ( and we have 10 days of EV), those totals are electronic, and EV closes 3 days prior to Election Day, so those totals are ready. The first load of results is EV and VBM.

The point is we do not have to wait for VBM to be counted. It has been done by Election Day. I do not understand why everyone doesn't do this. Texas does allow extra days for overseas ballots especially military

live love laugh

(13,104 posts)
25. Yes the time delay to do a physical count must be accounted
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 06:32 AM
Jun 2020

for in advance. Also if I lived in a red state I would not trust them to count my vote I would brave the polls instead.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
10. His plan was to have a million of his base stand to block the people trying to remove him on Jan 21
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 11:52 AM
Jun 2020

and what we've seen is that in the reddest red state with a shit ton of notice he got 6200 people to show. That won't prevent him from being forcibly removed by the Sgt At Arms ro US Marshals, or the men from Bellevue who want to take him away for his own safety.

leftieNanner

(15,084 posts)
12. Remember his call during the DC protests
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 11:58 AM
Jun 2020

For his supporters to show up and surround the White House to protect him?

Yeah. Nobody showed up. All those boys with their big toy guns are chicken hearts and won't rally to his cause.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
11. Worse scenario.. "he mysteriously "wins" when way behind in polls"
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 11:57 AM
Jun 2020

That will cause utter chaos and be much harder to deal with

AleksS

(1,665 posts)
15. Yup. He's NOT trying to discredit the results.
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 01:03 PM
Jun 2020

Yup. He IS NOT trying to discredit the results.

He IS:

A) Telling us HIS gameplan for the election, and
B) Setting us up as defending vote-by-mail so that HIS cheating is legitimized.

Here's how November is going to go:

Lots of vote by mail.
Trump cheats his butt off.
IF we aren't prepared, then Trump wins the vote, and points to our defense of vote-by-mail to undercut any attacks/investigations on his cheating.

It's what he (and the right wing) DOES. If they know they are going to commit a crime, they accuse someone else of it FIRST.

The moral of the story is:
He is TELLING us THAT he is getting ready to cheat-by-mail.
He is TELLING us HOW he plans to cheat-by-mail.
We need to be ready and able to STOP his cheating-by-mail.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
14. Some states didn't sign on to the Constitution to be a dictatorship.
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 12:19 PM
Jun 2020

Breaking the compact equals releasing them to their own affairs of state.

MarcA

(2,195 posts)
21. Simply let Biden reside and govern from another location in DC.
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 03:34 PM
Jun 2020

Let drumph and his minions stay in the White House and play with themselves
without any power.

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