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Why is Oklahoma so red? (Original Post) NYCButterfinger Jun 2020 OP
Racism. Rural. Older. Mostly white. SoonerPride Jun 2020 #1
Missouri has a couple of major cities Ex Lurker Jun 2020 #2
The population are mostly Christian. Mariana Jun 2020 #3
Strange analysis. I doubt there are more heavily Christian demographics than blacks and hispanics. tritsofme Jun 2020 #10
The majority of Christian voters cast their ballots for Trump in 2016. Mariana Jun 2020 #26
The only Christians treestar Jun 2020 #31
Dominance of wingnut media, and computerized voting machines & tabulators diva77 Jun 2020 #4
Jesus edhopper Jun 2020 #5
That's why Merle Haggard sang Okie from doc03 Jun 2020 #6
Not really Bradshaw3 Jun 2020 #11
Yes I like Haggard, Johnny Cash and Willie Nelson doc03 Jun 2020 #12
Fred Harris was an exceptional US Senator from Oklahoma Zorro Jun 2020 #27
I had forgotten about that speech Bradshaw3 Jun 2020 #28
from embarrassment NRaleighLiberal Jun 2020 #7
I always keep this handy just because of that SoonerPride Jun 2020 #8
Have wondered the same hurl Jun 2020 #9
If one feels screwed by the political treestar Jun 2020 #32
I too think it is the religious influence Bradshaw3 Jun 2020 #13
You pretty much stated the facts. Wellstone ruled Jun 2020 #14
Also, I should have mentioned the state's newspapers Bradshaw3 Jun 2020 #23
A lot of clay in the soil rufus dog Jun 2020 #15
I've never visited Oklahoma, but if it's like Kansas... Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2020 #16
Religious stations, country music, and far right wing talk shows Awsi Dooger Jun 2020 #18
I can't complain about NPR either. Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2020 #19
Tornadoes. Tornadoes scramble things. yonder Jun 2020 #17
This shit started when the English sent Scots Protestants to "colonize" Ireland. hunter Jun 2020 #20
The English treestar Jun 2020 #33
Church. (n/t) Iggo Jun 2020 #21
Oil would be my guess. KY_EnviroGuy Jun 2020 #22
Caucasion + evangelical + poorly educated red. GulfCoast66 Jun 2020 #24
Hart of clan country uponit7771 Jun 2020 #25
Take away St Louis and parts of KCMO and Missouri is Alabama. BannonsLiver Jun 2020 #29
It's okay to move on from us now BannonsLiver Jun 2020 #30

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
1. Racism. Rural. Older. Mostly white.
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 04:59 PM
Jun 2020

I was shocked when my district voted for Kendra Horn (D) to Congress.

She faces an uphill battle in November.

But Oklahoma has a lot of uniformed voters who are more tribal than ideological and they are on a “team” and that team is R. 😒

Ex Lurker

(3,812 posts)
2. Missouri has a couple of major cities
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 05:02 PM
Jun 2020

Oklahoma has one medium size city. Outside of STL and KC, Missouri is as red as Oklahoma.

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
3. The population are mostly Christian.
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 05:03 PM
Jun 2020

Christians are much more likely to vote Republican than non-Christians.

tritsofme

(17,376 posts)
10. Strange analysis. I doubt there are more heavily Christian demographics than blacks and hispanics.
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 05:21 PM
Jun 2020

Oklahoma is red because they are older, white, and rural.

Bizarre.

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
26. The majority of Christian voters cast their ballots for Trump in 2016.
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 08:42 PM
Jun 2020

It's not "bizarre" at all. About 80% of residents of Oklahoma are Christian, about 47% Evangelical. 81% of white Evangelicals voted for Trump in 2016, and the majority of Christians overall did so.



https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/how-the-faithful-voted-a-preliminary-2016-analysis/

treestar

(82,383 posts)
31. The only Christians
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 12:31 PM
Jun 2020

Who vote blue as a group are Hispanic Catholics. In that chart. Black Christians probably do too.

Bradshaw3

(7,513 posts)
11. Not really
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 05:22 PM
Jun 2020

Oklahoma has elected many great Democrats over the years. Haggard chose the city because it rhymed but he in fact was a pot smoker from way back. Later in life he took on the repubs on many fronts.

Zorro

(15,737 posts)
27. Fred Harris was an exceptional US Senator from Oklahoma
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 08:56 PM
Jun 2020

He gave an electrifying speech at the 1972 Democratic convention.

His predecessor Bob Kerr did a lot of good for the state, too.

Bradshaw3

(7,513 posts)
28. I had forgotten about that speech
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 11:49 AM
Jun 2020

He did fairly well in the 1976 presidential primary. He is still around after teaching at UNM and writing several books.

hurl

(938 posts)
9. Have wondered the same
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 05:20 PM
Jun 2020

My first thought was that the heavily Native population would be a strong bloc against Republicans, but I suspect that many simply do not participate at all due to a long history of being screwed by the US political process. Being just to the south in Texas, I find that we aren't so much red as non-participating, which allows Republicans to achieve disproportional power.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
32. If one feels screwed by the political
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 12:33 PM
Jun 2020

Process, not participating only assures you will be further screwed.

Bradshaw3

(7,513 posts)
13. I too think it is the religious influence
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 05:31 PM
Jun 2020

Oklahoma elected a lot of great Democrats, including Senator Fred Harris and representatives like Mike Synar (Google him if you don't know - he was a hero especially in the early fight against big tobacco) and Dave McCurdy. Early on, the southern part of the state mainly voted Democratic because of the settlers from places like Texas and the northern part was repub because it was influenced by northern migrants, like those from Kansas. The state voted narrowly for Ford over Carter in 1976. But thereafter it swung repub because of racism, influx of money from the oil boom and in large part because evangelical Christians grew so powerful. I remember people of that ilk who couldn't get elected dog catcher in my youth started getting elected to the statehouse in recent years.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
14. You pretty much stated the facts.
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 05:43 PM
Jun 2020

Arkansas swung rethug at the same time. The popularity of the new wave Christian Spooks and Racism was a potent mix.

Bradshaw3

(7,513 posts)
23. Also, I should have mentioned the state's newspapers
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 07:55 PM
Jun 2020

The Daily Oklahoman and Tulsa World were run by RW families. The Gaylords used their paper in OKC as a bludgeon against anyone who dared oppose them and their big money, repub interests. They were also openly racist, using the n-word in an editorial in the 50s and in the newsroom according to former workers. Ugh, I hated them. It was probably the same in Arkansas. When you have the media, religious powers and in-group-out-group racism it is, like you said, a potent mix. Hopefully it will change one day.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
16. I've never visited Oklahoma, but if it's like Kansas...
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 06:31 PM
Jun 2020

... then I won't bother.

I couldn't even find a non-religious radio station when I drove through the heart of Kansas several times in the past, on my way to and from Colorado.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
18. Religious stations, country music, and far right wing talk shows
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 06:54 PM
Jun 2020

That basically describes the radio choices in rural areas all across the country.

It's the reason I always have to laugh when posters here rip National Public Radio. That is totally oblivious to situational influence. NPR may not be perfect but it is dependably found on the same area of the dial all across the country and the only semblance of sanity when bombarded with nothing but the other three choices. I am always thrilled when I detect even a feint signal from NPR.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
19. I can't complain about NPR either.
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 07:04 PM
Jun 2020

It was years ago that I drove through Kansas several times to visit my brother, so I hope the radio choices have improved somewhat. My guess is that it's even worse with hate-radio, though. I'd even take a radio preacher over that crap.

hunter

(38,310 posts)
20. This shit started when the English sent Scots Protestants to "colonize" Ireland.
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 07:13 PM
Jun 2020

That didn't turn out well for the colonizers so many came to America.

Shake and stir with White American Baptists who thought God was okay with slavery.

When that crowd flooded into Oklahoma they truly believed rain would follow the plow.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rain_follows_the_plow


treestar

(82,383 posts)
33. The English
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 12:37 PM
Jun 2020

Are at the bottom of most conflicts in the world. The 17th through 20th century English. With some help from the French and Spanish.

BannonsLiver

(16,369 posts)
29. Take away St Louis and parts of KCMO and Missouri is Alabama.
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 11:55 AM
Jun 2020

It’s been 12 years since it was legitimately considered a swing state and will not be one again likely for many many years.

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