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Celerity

(43,356 posts)
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 08:37 AM Jun 2020

AOC Attacked by Super PAC Funded by Primary Opponent's Husband

Mailers and digital media opposing Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez are being distributed by a super PAC that has received the majority of its funding from Stephen Dizard, the husband of her primary opponent, Michelle Caruso-Cabrera.

https://readsludge.com/2020/06/17/aoc-attacked-by-super-pac-funded-by-primary-opponents-husband/

Congressional candidates and the PACs that donate to them can only legally take a few thousand dollars from individual donors. But PACs that tell the Federal Election Commission that they won’t donate to or coordinate with candidates are allowed to take unlimited amounts of money from donors. Since the contribution limits for outside spending groups were eliminated by a 2010 D.C. Circuit court ruling that came in the wake of the Supreme Court’s Citizens United decision, many PACs have tested the limits of how closely they can affiliate with candidates without being considered to be acting in coordination and, thus, no longer allowed to raise unlimited sums from donors. Now, the latest attempt to push the limits has emerged in the race between Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) and her Democratic primary challenger, former CNBC correspondent Michelle Caruso-Cabrera.

An organization called Fight for Our Communities PAC reported its first expenditure to the FEC on Tuesday—$28,000 paid to a Pittsburgh video production company called Phenomenon Post for digital media and mailers opposing Ocasio-Cortez. The mailers and digital media were publicly distributed on Tuesday, according to the FEC filing. As of its most recent disclosure covering receipts made prior to April 30, Fight for Our Communities PAC is funded primarily by Caruso-Cabrera’s husband, Stephen Dizard, who donated $30,000 to it in April. Dizard’s donations make up more than 70% of the PAC’s total funding, according to FEC records, and it is more than ten times the amount he would be allowed to give to the Caruso-Cabrera campaign. Fight for Our Communities is required to file an updated donor disclosure on June 20.

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Dizard, a managing partner at financial firm Wood Capital, has donated primarily to Republicans. His largest donation prior to his donations to Fight for Our Communities PAC was to a joint fundraising committee in 2014 that benefited the campaigns of six congressional Republicans. Other Republicans he has donated to in recent years include Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.), Sen. Cory Gardner (R-Co.), and Sen. Marco Rubio’s (R-Fla.) 2016 presidential campaign.

The campaign of Caruso-Cabrera, who authored a 2010 book calling for Social Security and Medicare to be replaced with privatized voucher systems, has been heavily backed by Wall Street donors. Her more than $2 million received from contributors include maximum donations from executives at firms including Blackstone, Oaktree Capital Management, Goldman Sachs, and The Carlyle Group. Caruso-Cabrera is also supported by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the powerful business association that generally backs Republicans. Several of Caruso-Cabrera’s donors are also big donors to President Trump, the New York Post recently reported.

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back when she was pushing her book, which she was still pushing up until 2018


CNBC's Caruso-Cabrera: Eliminate Departments Of Labor, Commerce, Education And Privatize Social Security

https://crooksandliars.com/heather/cnbcs-caruso-cabrera-eliminate-departments

CNBC anchor Michelle Caruso-Cabrera visited the set of Morning Joe to push her new book You Know I'm Right and apparently we've got another Ayn Rand fan working for CNBC. After saying that the auto companies should have been allowed to fail, presumably to get rid of those pesky over paid union workers, Mike Barnicle asks her if she thinks we're going to have to raise taxes to pay our deficit. Cabrera of course doesn't think we should raise taxes and says that instead we should cut spending. Leslie Stahl asks her where. She replies:






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https://books.google.se/books?id=DZRbKtm2FfUC&printsec=frontcover&dq=You+Know+I%27m+Right:+More+Prosperity,+Less+Government+secrecy++banking+secrecy+and+tax+havens+exist&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwie2NCE-ZfqAhVhxIsKHXHBAjgQ6AEwAXoECAEQAg#v=onepage&q&f=false



'Freedom and democracy are best secured when banking secrecy and tax havens exist'




Wall Street takes aim at Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez in party primary

https://www.ft.com/content/580b5830-7f7e-4092-a6f7-7b451e075e10

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Ms Caruso-Cabrera, 53, has raised just over $2m, a substantial figure for a challenger, as dozens of chief executives, investors, bankers and lawyers have given the maximum allowable donation of $2,800 each to her primary campaign. Some have given another $2,800 for the general election.

However, Ms Ocasio-Cortez has taken in even more: $10.5m, reflecting the ability of figures on the party’s leftwing — such as Bernie Sanders, her preferred presidential candidate — to attract hundreds of thousands of small donations from contributors nationwide. The median size of her donations is $10, according to an Financial Times analysis of Federal Election Commission filings and the online fundraising platform ActBlue.




While many of Ms Caruso-Cabrera’s supporters raise money for Democrats, several are prominent business backers of President Donald Trump including Ken Langone, the billionaire founder of retailer Home Depot, activist investor Nelson Peltz and John Catsimatidis, who founded the Gristedes grocery chain. 

Larry Lindsey, a Republican economist who served in the George W Bush administration, said: “Michelle knows more about the world and how things work than probably a solid majority of Congress.” He said he had known the challenger for 15 years and wrote her campaign a cheque as soon as he learnt she was running. “She and I would consider ourselves pragmatic libertarians.” 


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AOC Attacked by Super PAC Funded by Primary Opponent's Husband (Original Post) Celerity Jun 2020 OP
Your posts are very informative JonLP24 Jun 2020 #1
yw! Celerity Jun 2020 #83
And yet, we're to believe that there is no coordination between Bettie Jun 2020 #2
Wall Streeters back AOCs opponent WHO IS A REPUBLICAN american_ideals Jun 2020 #3
Money Honey Two RhodeIslandOne Jun 2020 #72
It is really sad that some people here support this false flag republican Voltaire2 Jun 2020 #4
Be nice to the people on the way up, because you might meet them again on the way down. OnDoutside Jun 2020 #6
I have no problem with primary contests between Democrats. Voltaire2 Jun 2020 #8
Agree. It's become a trend to slap a D behind your name & run on that ticket. Budi Jun 2020 #11
I wonder if you see the difference... PTWB Jun 2020 #17
And many people here have a huge problem with attacks on Democrats who have toiled long and OnDoutside Jun 2020 #12
- so you support a rightwing extremist pretending to be a Democrat? Voltaire2 Jun 2020 #13
Guess we'll find out after tonight how the people in District 14 feel about it. Budi Jun 2020 #24
This is like a flashback to the Bernie Bros here, in Jan & Feb. Anyone who didn't fall at the feet OnDoutside Jun 2020 #27
She has a right to endorse anyone she wants just as anyone else has a right to endorse whoever they JonLP24 Jun 2020 #29
No, you can be a progressive and not be a Bernie Bro. 99% of Democrats, by the very fact of not OnDoutside Jun 2020 #35
As I said, I am fine with Democrats, real Democrats supporting Democratic Party positions, Voltaire2 Jun 2020 #32
I presume you were vocal here against Bernie then ? OnDoutside Jun 2020 #34
Really? PTWB Jun 2020 #10
"DARES to speak truth to power" Lol. That's one way of putting it. Firing balls of shit, at fellow OnDoutside Jun 2020 #18
I want us, as Democrats, to be better. PTWB Jun 2020 #22
Then hope she stops attacking Democrats !!! That's the point. OnDoutside Jun 2020 #30
If you don't know enough about her opponent... PTWB Jun 2020 #36
It's irrelevant. The issue is that the AOC supporters here are pissed at other posters who are not OnDoutside Jun 2020 #42
It has nothing to do with not showing unwavering support. PTWB Jun 2020 #57
I think it's fair to say that many people here would be happier with Badrun Khan rather than OnDoutside Jun 2020 #69
You'd be mistaken. PTWB Jun 2020 #71
No, it isn't simply because they don't like that progressive Democrat. You seem to think that OnDoutside Jun 2020 #73
I prefer she stay the same JonLP24 Jun 2020 #23
She said "Pelosi was targeting "newly elected women of colour"" OnDoutside Jun 2020 #33
the ironic thing is that the real hardcore lefties (the ones who are far to the left of even most Celerity Jun 2020 #37
Interesting that some ignore the fact that both MCC and Badrun Khan are WOC. George II Jun 2020 #74
Indeed. OnDoutside Jun 2020 #75
So some are blaming people who aren't 110% behind her because, in part.... George II Jun 2020 #78
Lol ! OnDoutside Jun 2020 #80
MCC is a woman of color too, as is Badrun Khan. Why hold that up for one and not the other two? George II Jun 2020 #46
I'll answer that (very easy) question if you ever answer mine. PTWB Jun 2020 #53
And you will still be waiting, based on the reasons I've already given you a couple of times. George II Jun 2020 #54
Yes, the reason being you don't want to paint yourself in a corner. PTWB Jun 2020 #55
No, I simply do not answer hypotheticals about something that will never happen. George II Jun 2020 #56
Because you don't want to expose a hypocritical position you've taken. PTWB Jun 2020 #59
Make up your own reasons for why I do or don't do something, that's your prerogative.... George II Jun 2020 #61
I'm just making the best guess I can ... PTWB Jun 2020 #62
I'll tell you what, when donald trump switches parties and becomes a Democrat ask me again. Fair? George II Jun 2020 #65
No, it is (or should be) just as easy for you to answer right now. PTWB Jun 2020 #67
I don't see the point in answering any question you might whimsically come up with.... George II Jun 2020 #68
So you keep saying. PTWB Jun 2020 #70
Since we're talking about stupid hypotheticals... SidDithers Jun 2020 #76
No, I wouldn't. PTWB Jun 2020 #77
The attacking goes both ways JonLP24 Jun 2020 #19
That's about policy, and I agree, that's perfectly fine to criticise. No problem with that. OnDoutside Jun 2020 #28
Jon UBI Makes Sense DanieRains Jun 2020 #82
This clash of big PAC titans is why I support Badrun Khan Budi Jun 2020 #5
Badrun Khan is her name Celerity Jun 2020 #14
Typo..thanks. I could care less that her chances are slim. Budi Jun 2020 #21
AOC has national appeal, look at the chart that shows her average contribution, it is only 10 USD, Celerity Jun 2020 #25
Which is precisely why the argument about MCC's outside money is a moot point Budi Jun 2020 #31
it is not a moot point if you look at the overall agenda behind many of her largest donors & backers Celerity Jun 2020 #38
Why I'm supporting Khan. I'm going for the little gal. Budi Jun 2020 #43
There are many AOC haters right here on DU who are supporting her opponent PTWB Jun 2020 #7
"afraid of AOC, a woman of color in a position of power who DARES to speak truth to power." jcgoldie Jun 2020 #15
Michelle Caruso Cabrera is also a woman of color DenverJared Jun 2020 #48
..who stands for almost everything democrats do not. jcgoldie Jun 2020 #52
She's a radical right wing ultra conservative Republican PTWB Jun 2020 #60
MCC was pushing that book she wrote in 2010 as of 2018. She also rented from Trump until 2019 Autumn Jun 2020 #16
There was a DUer defending that just last night... PTWB Jun 2020 #20
Some have hated AOC since the day she was elected. Autumn Jun 2020 #26
must be hard to harass her when each of her tweets gets a bazillion replies Celerity Jun 2020 #39
I'll correct that. He thinks he harasses her on twitter Autumn Jun 2020 #40
lol Celerity Jun 2020 #41
Wow, I can actually see all the replies! demmiblue Jun 2020 #9
not me ...65 out of 80 questionseverything Jun 2020 #81
Yeah, I spoke too soon. demmiblue Jun 2020 #84
Much ado about nothing DenverJared Jun 2020 #44
Yes Warren was a Republican Trumpocalypse Jun 2020 #45
It took 14 years for Sen Warren DenverJared Jun 2020 #47
Then we should wait to see that evolution before voting for a prediction based on nothing. CountMyVote4Reality Jun 2020 #49
No need to wait DenverJared Jun 2020 #50
No she needs to prove herself first. Trumpocalypse Jun 2020 #79
Yes it did Trumpocalypse Jun 2020 #51
If you think Liz Warren is the darling of progressives you don't know many progressives. aidbo Jun 2020 #58
you are vastly overstating Warren's 'Republicaness' and vastly underplaying Caruso-Cabrera's Celerity Jun 2020 #63
Some here are thrilled to support that DINO Marrah_Goodman Jun 2020 #64
What's fair is fair... if AOC and crew can go after Engel, this isn't any different. Blasphemer Jun 2020 #66
and they did! RandiFan1290 Jun 2020 #85
They did and it was different. Voltaire2 Jun 2020 #86

Bettie

(16,107 posts)
2. And yet, we're to believe that there is no coordination between
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 08:54 AM
Jun 2020

her husband's Super-PAC and her campaign. I doubt there's any daylight between the two. At. All.

Then there's the argument that is the funniest: "well, individuals can only give $2800 each"...no one who makes that argument ever notes that they can donate to Super-PACs and it can be both anonymous and unlimited.

Does anyone really believe that those PACs don't coordinate with campaigns?

Voltaire2

(13,032 posts)
4. It is really sad that some people here support this false flag republican
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 09:16 AM
Jun 2020

just because they apparently hate Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez, a real Democrat.

OnDoutside

(19,956 posts)
6. Be nice to the people on the way up, because you might meet them again on the way down.
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 09:59 AM
Jun 2020

Her track record of of attacking the Democratic Hierarchy and backing challengers against incumbents, over the last 2 years, is hardly a recipe for garnering support ? She can't have it both ways. I still expect her to win, but hopefully she will have picked up a little life lesson.

Voltaire2

(13,032 posts)
8. I have no problem with primary contests between Democrats.
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 10:01 AM
Jun 2020

I have a huge problem with people backing a candidate who is clearly a rightwing extremist pretending to be a Democrat.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
11. Agree. It's become a trend to slap a D behind your name & run on that ticket.
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 10:09 AM
Jun 2020

There should be a requirement of being a Democrat for 5 yrs minimum before benefitting from the support & power behind the DParty.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
17. I wonder if you see the difference...
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 10:17 AM
Jun 2020

Between a left wing progressive independent joining the Democratic Party to further our ideals, and an ultra-conservative, right-wing Republican joining the Democratic Party to sabotage our deals?

OnDoutside

(19,956 posts)
12. And many people here have a huge problem with attacks on Democrats who have toiled long and
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 10:11 AM
Jun 2020

hard for their party.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
24. Guess we'll find out after tonight how the people in District 14 feel about it.
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 10:30 AM
Jun 2020

It's up to AOC to defend her position & it's outta our hands unless one resides there.

As it should be.
💙

OnDoutside

(19,956 posts)
27. This is like a flashback to the Bernie Bros here, in Jan & Feb. Anyone who didn't fall at the feet
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 10:35 AM
Jun 2020

of Bernie, were being accused of all sorts. You are entirely missing the point of my post, which is AOC (or rather posters here) cannot expect unwavering support for someone who spent a large part of the last 2 years pissing on the so called "Democratic Establishment" !!! Do you not remember when she beat Crowley in the Primary, she spent the next 5 months travelling all over the country, supporting other challengers against Democratic incumbents, and not to mention her attacks on Pelosi. Plenty of people have long memories.

Which is the entire point of the title of my post, about being nice to the people on the way up, because you might meet them again on the way down. Caruso may well be next Attila the Trump, though I'd be confident AOC will win, with her bulging campaign bank account, but it's no harm to remind her that politics is about "We", not "Me".

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
29. She has a right to endorse anyone she wants just as anyone else has a right to endorse whoever they
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 10:43 AM
Jun 2020

want.

I don't care that Biden endorsed a candidate I don't like (Sinema -- she voted to confirm Barr I have a right to criticize that considering what he is doing to the justice department) in a primary in my home state.

Bernie Bro is a disrespectful nickname and it is even used by the right wing. It pains me twice as hard when a Republican calls progressives "Bernie Bros". Talk about giving ammunition to the right wing.

OnDoutside

(19,956 posts)
35. No, you can be a progressive and not be a Bernie Bro. 99% of Democrats, by the very fact of not
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 10:51 AM
Jun 2020

being Republicans, are progressives.

Voltaire2

(13,032 posts)
32. As I said, I am fine with Democrats, real Democrats supporting Democratic Party positions,
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 10:45 AM
Jun 2020

contesting in primaries.

So do you support the false-flag rightwing extremist republican Michelle Caruso-Cabrera in this primary?

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
10. Really?
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 10:05 AM
Jun 2020

AOC is a strong progressive DEMOCRAT. AOC’s opponent, Michelle Caruso-Cabrera, recently switched her party registration from Republican to Democrat. She’s long been not just a moderate Republican but a right-wing, ultra-conservative extremist. She very recently (2010) wrote a book calling for the abolishment of both Medicare and Social Security.

AOC is a woman of color in a position of power who DARES speak truth to power. There’s a reason she’s ruffling so many white feathers.

OnDoutside

(19,956 posts)
18. "DARES to speak truth to power" Lol. That's one way of putting it. Firing balls of shit, at fellow
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 10:18 AM
Jun 2020

Democrats, giving ammunition to Republicans, is another. I think it's entirely understandable that she is getting little support from many here. It makes no odds to me, but I do hope, if and when she is returned, that she will be a bit wiser for her experience.

OnDoutside

(19,956 posts)
30. Then hope she stops attacking Democrats !!! That's the point.
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 10:44 AM
Jun 2020

I don't know enough about her to know whether the AOC supporters are exaggerating her bio or not. All i can comment on is AOC's behaviour towards other Democrats, over the last 2 years, and the question was why posters here were so against AOC. But others want them to ignore her behaviour, yet take full recognition of MCC's behaviour. People want it both ways.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
36. If you don't know enough about her opponent...
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 10:55 AM
Jun 2020

You should educate yourself before becoming involved in the discussion. You never want to debate or advocate from a position of ignorance.

OnDoutside

(19,956 posts)
42. It's irrelevant. The issue is that the AOC supporters here are pissed at other posters who are not
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 11:19 AM
Jun 2020

showing unwavering support to her. I suggested it's because of her own past actions towards other Democrats, which has brought them to this point of (at best) indifference towards her. As i said in another post, she (and her supporters) can't have it both ways, the chickens have come home to roost.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
57. It has nothing to do with not showing unwavering support.
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 12:41 PM
Jun 2020

Suggesting that is being intentionally disingenuous. No one is taking issue with Badrun Khan or her supporters, for example. I think Badrun Khan is great - she supports UBI and universal health care.

A healthy primary consisting of progressive candidates is always important to weed out the members of Congress no longer faithfully representing the people of their districts.

MCC will not win this primary. But it’s important to get folks here on record for their support of a right-wing, ultra-conservative Republican recently in favor of abolishing social security and Medicare. That record will NEVER go away.

OnDoutside

(19,956 posts)
69. I think it's fair to say that many people here would be happier with Badrun Khan rather than
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 02:52 PM
Jun 2020
either of the other two. The reality is that AOC has a long road of trust building to travel, to win the support of many here, and my advice would be to stop crapping on other Dems. She's in a fortunate position to only have to win her primary, to get back into Congress, as the district is heavily Blue. However, many other of her colleagues aren't so lucky and have to fight damn hard to be re-elected. It doesn't help their cause when she provides soundbites to the Republican ads.

I have no time for Gillibrand after what she did to Al Franken, but I presume you have no time for her because of her past as a Bluedog Democrat and 2nd Amendment advocate ?

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
71. You'd be mistaken.
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 03:03 PM
Jun 2020

Last edited Tue Jun 23, 2020, 03:33 PM - Edit history (1)

It’s fair to say Khan would make a fine representative, but that isn’t the issue here. The issue here is we have people claiming to be Democrats but are either ignorantly or intentionally supporting a radical, ultra-conservative Republican who joined a progressive Democrat’s primary just to sabotage, simply because they don’t like that progressive Democrat.

I think Gillibrand did wrong to Al Franken and Ill not be sad to see her primaried from the left. That said, I don’t have any issues with the 2nd amendment. In fact, I think we are doing ourselves a disservice by allowing radical right wingers to arm themselves while most of us on the left remain defenseless.

If push comes to shove, we need to be able to shove.

OnDoutside

(19,956 posts)
73. No, it isn't simply because they don't like that progressive Democrat. You seem to think that
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 03:48 PM
Jun 2020

it's ok for AOC to crap on other Democrats, and people here should just take it ? If & when she gets through the Primary, then I would expect Dems to support her, but until then it really is a case of sucking it up, and hopefully learning that it's nice to be nice.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
23. I prefer she stay the same
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 10:30 AM
Jun 2020

I have seen too many people enter politics and sell out. I doubt she gives ammunition to Republicans. They actually look like fools when they attack her.

Most people that support AOC probably wouldn't post here.

I wonder who recruited MCC to run against her?

OnDoutside

(19,956 posts)
33. She said "Pelosi was targeting "newly elected women of colour""
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 10:46 AM
Jun 2020

And THAT didn't give ammunition to Republicans ? Seriously ?

Celerity

(43,356 posts)
37. the ironic thing is that the real hardcore lefties (the ones who are far to the left of even most
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 10:58 AM
Jun 2020

Sanders supporters on here, meaning actually true socialists, not just incorrectly self-labelled 'democratic socialists' who are simply social democrats in reality) have now turned on AOC and Bernie for endorsing Biden. They (and they are so NOT DU'ers) are all about calling HER a sell-out now, lol. It really is madness that those types are assumed to make up the vast percentage of her 'base.' What type of 'your base' labels you a sell-out and curses you? It is just a small but extremely over-exposed group of rabble-rousers like the Jacobin and Current Affairs crews.

I think MCC's recruiters can be found in her largest donor's lists, and obviously (as documented) many are billionaires, Republicans and libertarian types. They love bank secrecy, tax havens, small, weak government, deregulation, privatisation, lower and lower taxes for the top, free (and not fair) trade, corporate regulatory capture, etc etc etc.

George II

(67,782 posts)
78. So some are blaming people who aren't 110% behind her because, in part....
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 04:52 PM
Jun 2020

...she's a woman of color, but they DO support either of the other two active candidates regardless of the fact that they're women of color.

Oh how I'd love to have this issue discussed in a debate class.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
55. Yes, the reason being you don't want to paint yourself in a corner.
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 12:38 PM
Jun 2020

No one else had an issue answering that question.

(For anyone wondering, the question George has refused to answer is whether or not he would support Donald Trump if Trump ran as a Democrat)

The answer for everyone else who chose to answer was a resounding NO!

George, though, can’t bring himself to answer. You’re free to guess why that is. I’ve drawn my own conclusions.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
59. Because you don't want to expose a hypocritical position you've taken.
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 12:46 PM
Jun 2020

You support one right wing conservative candidate who has switched parties. It begs the question if you’d support another.

Indeed, my hypothetical scenario is extremely unlikely to happen. Now you claim that you are unable to analyze such a simple scenario and determine how you would react, yet many others have been unable to do so.

It seems to me that you refuse to answer because you know, no matter how you answer, you will be unable to defend yourself given some of your tangential arguments.

George II

(67,782 posts)
61. Make up your own reasons for why I do or don't do something, that's your prerogative....
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 12:48 PM
Jun 2020

You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
62. I'm just making the best guess I can ...
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 12:52 PM
Jun 2020

Since the only thing you’ve said is you won’t answer a hypothetical. That begs the question... why won’t you answer the (very easy) hypothetical.

And that answer is readily apparent. You have thrown your support behind a radical ultra conservative Republican who recently advocated for abolishing Medicare and social security, praised Donald Trump, but now is running in a Democratic primary against someone you don’t care for.

Yes, I’d say the answer as to why you refuse is very obvious indeed.

George II

(67,782 posts)
65. I'll tell you what, when donald trump switches parties and becomes a Democrat ask me again. Fair?
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 01:47 PM
Jun 2020
 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
67. No, it is (or should be) just as easy for you to answer right now.
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 02:30 PM
Jun 2020

Unless you honestly don’t know whether you’d support him. But I find that hard to believe.

George II

(67,782 posts)
68. I don't see the point in answering any question you might whimsically come up with....
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 02:44 PM
Jun 2020

Certainly happy to answer any question you might ask if it's based on fact and real life.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
70. So you keep saying.
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 02:56 PM
Jun 2020

Mighty convenient that you “don’t see the point” of answering the simple question when you know, no matter how you answer, you’ll be exposing some level of hypocrisy.

You ought not participate in discussions if you’re unwilling or unable to commit to the positions you take.

You don’t find it odd that no one else has had trouble answering that simple question?

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
76. Since we're talking about stupid hypotheticals...
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 04:02 PM
Jun 2020

would you support AOC if she ran as a Republican?

Sid

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
77. No, I wouldn't.
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 04:15 PM
Jun 2020

I would be too skeptical of any Republican who claimed to support the progressive positions that AOC supports.

See how easy that was?

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
19. The attacking goes both ways
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 10:18 AM
Jun 2020

I don't think we should ban interparty criticism. She has constructive criticism of the party but she is better than someone who favored the end of social security & medicare. I support expanding social security. I don't trust Yang's UBI so I don't support the other candidate either,

 

DanieRains

(4,619 posts)
82. Jon UBI Makes Sense
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 01:52 AM
Jun 2020

I never thought much of it until and employee explained it to me.

Pay for it by taxing the 50 trillion the 1% have amassed they don't pay taxes on.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
5. This clash of big PAC titans is why I support Badrun Khan
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 09:42 AM
Jun 2020

She's local, doesn't have big money PACS behind her with hidden donors, & she is supported by Andrew Yang's #YangGang

She is authentic, & has run her campaign within her district & without outside celebrity.

She is a popular local with Bangledesh heritage, & has a large following in the Asian community especially.

This is her platform for her District NY 14.

Here are what I will fight to do:
✅ Universal Basic Income
✅ Reform Not Defund Police
✅ Common Sense Environmental Policy
✅ Tax Deductible Rent
✅ Reforming Special Ed Programs
✅ Affordable Housing
------

Bagrun Khan for District NY14:
"Keep Outside PAC Money Influence Out Of District NY14 Politics ."

She's right.

(And yes, they others both have PACs)





Celerity

(43,356 posts)
14. Badrun Khan is her name
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 10:13 AM
Jun 2020

and she has a near zero chance (I do not think she would be a poor representative btw, if it was just her versus Caruso-Cabrera, then I would support Khan)

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
21. Typo..thanks. I could care less that her chances are slim.
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 10:22 AM
Jun 2020

I'm just sick of a PAC with outside donor influence stepping into a local district.
The general election is a little different, but a local district should be just that, Local.

Celerity

(43,356 posts)
25. AOC has national appeal, look at the chart that shows her average contribution, it is only 10 USD,
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 10:33 AM
Jun 2020

but she gets money sent from all over the US, just like many Senatorial candidates do (and some famous and/or powerful Representatives.)

Until campaign finance law is sorted, it is always going to be like this, unfortunately.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
31. Which is precisely why the argument about MCC's outside money is a moot point
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 10:44 AM
Jun 2020

Until election laws change, she is entitled to play the game as the rules allow.

Ugly as it may be, that's just how it is.

Celerity

(43,356 posts)
38. it is not a moot point if you look at the overall agenda behind many of her largest donors & backers
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 11:01 AM
Jun 2020

like I just posted:

I think MCC's recruiters can be found in her largest donor's lists, and obviously (as documented) many are billionaires, Republicans and libertarian types. They love bank secrecy, tax havens, small, weak government, deregulation, privatisation, lower and lower taxes for the top, free (and not fair) trade, corporate regulatory capture, etc etc etc.
 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
43. Why I'm supporting Khan. I'm going for the little gal.
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 11:25 AM
Jun 2020

I'd have to see a list of funders to judge AOC's PAC.
Without that it's a bit unfair to point at one.


Badrum Khan is humble, well appreciated & clean as a whistle. And she's local & has been putting in the miles necessary to listen & offer district voters an idea what she'll do to support their local causes & needs.

I like her humility & her spirit.
I'll let the push/shove match between AOC & MCC play out however it does.
I have no vote so my support goes to the Democrat living in District 14, who's run a clean campaign with little cash & has had to earn her position by doing the legwork among her people.
I applaud her effort to keep it local & engage with the people she would serve.

That's all I've got to say about this.

💙 best of luck & choose wisely District 14 !










 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
7. There are many AOC haters right here on DU who are supporting her opponent
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 10:01 AM
Jun 2020

AOC’s opponent, Michelle Caruso-Cabrera, recently switched her parry registration from Republican to Democrat. She’s long been not just a moderate Republican but a right-wing, ultra-conservative extremist. She very recently (2010) wrote a book calling for the abolishment of both Medicare and Social Security.

Just last night I was involved in a thread here where two DUers (who I will not name and shame) were actually supporting MCC over AOC.

They are THAT afraid of AOC, a woman of color in a position of power who DARES to speak truth to power. Right wingers are threatened by AOC and will do anything to put her back “in her place” - including switch parties just to (try to) sabotage her in the primary.

jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
15. "afraid of AOC, a woman of color in a position of power who DARES to speak truth to power."
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 10:13 AM
Jun 2020

Exactly this. And so longstanding members of this forum abandon their ideals to support an imposter who stands for almost everything Democrats do not.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
60. She's a radical right wing ultra conservative Republican
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 12:48 PM
Jun 2020

Who very recently advocated for abolishing social security and Medicare and praised Donald Trump.

Still want to support her, despite her even more recent registration as a Democrat?

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
20. There was a DUer defending that just last night...
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 10:21 AM
Jun 2020

When I described MCC’s support of the abolishment of Medicare and Social Security as recent, this DUer threw a tantrum.

Celerity

(43,356 posts)
39. must be hard to harass her when each of her tweets gets a bazillion replies
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 11:03 AM
Jun 2020

Unless you are talking about a 'Blue Check' with a rabid following.

questionseverything

(9,654 posts)
81. not me ...65 out of 80
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 08:42 PM
Jun 2020



there are others I should add to my ignore for my own sanity but I feel the need to keep track of the enemy that would support dissolving ss and medicare

 

DenverJared

(457 posts)
44. Much ado about nothing
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 11:36 AM
Jun 2020

Elizabeth Warren was a republican too and is now the darling of the progressives.

Michelle Caruso Cabrera has evolved as well.

AOC seems to complain a lot instead of putting forward her "agenda" which scares the living daylights out of mainstream Americans who like a market based economy. We don't want socialists.

This news is pure vicious propaganda since no laws were broken.

Also, the "small donor-big donor" has another side -- "in state donor vs out of state money" -- 85% of AOC's money has come from places over 2,000 miles away from NY-14.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
45. Yes Warren was a Republican
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 11:41 AM
Jun 2020

but her opinion on issues has evolved as well. I have seen not evidence that MCC has evolved in her most extreme positions.

49. Then we should wait to see that evolution before voting for a prediction based on nothing.
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 12:08 PM
Jun 2020

The evidence of her positions and her financiers does not suggest any progressive movement. However, she should be given the chance to evolve BEFORE she becomes a candidate.

 

DenverJared

(457 posts)
50. No need to wait
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 12:11 PM
Jun 2020

We need a Democrat in that seat and not someone who has put the Democratic party down and endorsed people against incumbent Democrats.

We want a team player. If MCC screws up, we can always replace her in 2 years.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
79. No she needs to prove herself first.
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 05:21 PM
Jun 2020

The first thing she can do is renounce all her right wing opinions. As well as apologize to every Democrat she attacked when she was a CNBC host.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
51. Yes it did
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 12:13 PM
Jun 2020

And it was years before Warren ran for office after becoming a Democrat. MCC needs to prove herself first before getting support from Democrats.

Celerity

(43,356 posts)
63. you are vastly overstating Warren's 'Republicaness' and vastly underplaying Caruso-Cabrera's
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 01:40 PM
Jun 2020
Warren was only a registered Republican from 1991 to 1996, the only Republican POTUS she ever voted for was Ford. The last time she was a registered Republican was 24 years ago.

Michelle Caruso Cabrera, on the other hand, was still pushing her RW anti-government, Reagan-loving book she wrote as of October 2018. She also rented from Trump until late 2019 (just months ago), lived in Trump Tower in a flat that was close to and probably well over 200,000 USD rent per year. (It was 180,000 USD a year nine years ago and Manhattan ultra-luxury rents have skyrocketed since then)

I also REALLY have to laugh at this (coming from a multi-millionaire who just moved to Queens a few months ago from a flat whose rent alone is 4 or 5 times the entire income of your average person) and given the fact that AOC has lived in the Bronx since 2011 and overall has lived there 14 years of her 30 on the planet

https://www.businessinsider.com/aocs-democratic-challenger-lived-in-trump-tower-before-moving-queens-2020-4?r=US&IR=T

In a recent interview with Insider, Caruso-Cabrera said the first-term congresswoman was "out of touch" with her district, "doesn't know what it takes to put food on the table and to put a roof over the head of a family," and was masquerading as a Bronx native.


But Caruso-Cabrera, a New Hampshire native who lived in Manhattan for 20 years, told Insider she moved to New York's 14th Congressional District only late last year when she and her husband took up residence in Sunnyside, Queens.





Caruso-Cabrera's own Republican backers describe her as

https://www.ft.com/content/580b5830-7f7e-4092-a6f7-7b451e075e10

Larry Lindsey, a Republican economist who served in the George W Bush administration, said: “Michelle knows more about the world and how things work than probably a solid majority of Congress.” He said he had known the challenger for 15 years and wrote her campaign a cheque as soon as he learnt she was running. “She and I would consider ourselves pragmatic libertarians.”






Warren grew up in an FDR Democratic household.

Her first vote the POTUS was AGAINST Nixon in 1972. She did vote for Ford, but liked Carter. She voted Carter in 1980 and Mondale in 1984. In 1988 she voted for Dukakis, and in 1992, Clinton. Obviously voted for Clinton again in 1996 and every other Democrat since then. She registered as a Republican because she had moved to PA and liked Arlen Specter, who also switched to our Party from Republican.

Her first presidential vote, in 1972, had been cast against a man she said she disliked passionately, Richard Nixon. But reflecting on how little she had paid attention to day-to-day politics at the time, she couldn’t immediately recall who had been running against him. When told it was Democrat George McGovern, she said, Yes, she would have voted for him but didn’t have any specific memory of having done so. (She was living in New Jersey at the time.) Going to the polls, she said, was nothing new for her. Warren’s mother had been a poll worker and brought her young daughter to the polls each Election Day.

Nixon was re-elected that year, of course, but resigned and was replaced by Gerald Ford. Warren said she had voted for him in 1976, believing that “Ford was a decent man.” But she was happy with Jimmy Carter, who beat him. “I thought he [also] was a decent man,” she said, transferring her then-standard for what she wanted in a politician from Ford to Carter. “He was a really good man.”

As the ’80s wore on and her research on bankruptcy progressed, Warren started waking up politically. At the time, though, the two parties had yet to separate entirely along ideological lines, as some deeply conservative and racist Democrats still held office, as did some genuinely liberal Republicans. In 1988, Warren voted for Michael Dukakis but, in 1992, split her ticket, voting for Republican Arlen Specter for Senate and Democrat Bill Clinton for president. Specter is a good example of the one-time flexibility of the party system and the politicians within it: He began and ended his career as a Democrat, but was a Republican for much of the middle of it. By the fall of 1987, she had moved to Pennsylvania and registered there as a Republican. Warren said she couldn’t quite remember why she did it but that she was a fan of Specter. “Again, I thought he was a decent man,” she said. She couldn’t recall whom he ran against. (His Democratic opponent was Lynn Yeakel.) That GOP registration, though, has set off speculation over the years that one of the Senate’s most progressive champions may have at one time been a Ronald Reagan backer.

So we asked her: Is it true? Is it possible the champion of the regulatory cops on Wall Street voted for the man who made deregulation a hallmark of his presidency?

No.

In 1980, she said, she was a registered independent living in Missouri City, Texas, and cast her vote to re-elect Carter.

When Reagan won, she wasn’t happy but not crushed the way she was on election night in 2016. “I was disappointed and didn’t like him, but I wasn’t deeply worried for the country, not anything like when Trump was elected,” she explained. If she could go back in time, she said, she would tell herself “this was a far more pivotal historical moment than you understand.”



https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/04/12/elizabeth-warren-profile-young-republican-2020-president-226613

Warren has acknowledged her Republican past before, but she does not often discuss it, or else downplays it. In a recent interview over tea at her home in Cambridge, Massachusetts, she said she assumes the first time she registered as a Democrat was 1996, but added, “I’m not even 100 percent sure what I was registered as.” According to Warren, in the six presidential elections she voted in before 1996, she cast her ballot for just one GOP nominee, Gerald Ford in 1976. She does not talk about her Republican past in either of her books or as part of the biography she recounts in her stump speech; the information often comes as a surprise even to Beltway politicos and longtime Warren allies.




Warren also 2nd lowest Trump score in the entire Senate

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/



compare that to the highest Democrats









Blasphemer

(3,261 posts)
66. What's fair is fair... if AOC and crew can go after Engel, this isn't any different.
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 02:03 PM
Jun 2020

The voters will decide.

Voltaire2

(13,032 posts)
86. They did and it was different.
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 07:33 AM
Jun 2020

Neither Bowman nor Engels are radical rightwingers pretending to be Democrats.

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