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riversedge

(70,187 posts)
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 09:34 AM Jun 2020

BREAKING: Dershowitz is melting down on Twitter about allegations he raped Virginia Giuffre at Epste

busy day for Alan.

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BREAKING: Alan Dershowitz is melting down on Twitter about allegations he raped Virginia Giuffre at Jeffrey Epstein's private island.

I wonder if Barr/Trump tried firing US Attorney Berman because he was getting too close to them in the Epstein investigation.

Something is up...


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BREAKING: Dershowitz is melting down on Twitter about allegations he raped Virginia Giuffre at Epste (Original Post) riversedge Jun 2020 OP
I wonder if Barr's whole thing has to do with the Epstein connection going back to Barr's father JI7 Jun 2020 #1
Really interesting malaise Jun 2020 #2
Interesting theory. volstork Jun 2020 #14
It's about the Epstein videos... PNW-Dem Jun 2020 #19
I think JI7 was theorizing that Barr's overall willingness to be a fixer tanyev Jun 2020 #24
It really should be front and center renate Jun 2020 #26
maybe it's because bdamomma Jun 2020 #30
Noel Casler , who was a talent handler for NBC and worked on Celebrity Apprentice said octoberlib Jun 2020 #32
Last year he made matters much, much worse for himself on Mike 03 Jun 2020 #3
" I know for a fact that Berman had an open case on Dershowitz and Epstein."... riversedge Jun 2020 #4
Berman was closing in on Barr himself. BComplex Jun 2020 #29
Virginia was around the Epstein mess for a long time. Cracklin Charlie Jun 2020 #5
Ms. Giuffre got out of the country with at least some evidence against these guys FakeNoose Jun 2020 #31
In that Netflix series about Epstein... Cracklin Charlie Jun 2020 #33
Wow didn't know that part about the surrogate baby FakeNoose Jun 2020 #39
Where is Ghislaine these days? smirkymonkey Jun 2020 #37
I think she's laying low somewhere in New England FakeNoose Jun 2020 #40
Then... HotTeaBag Jun 2020 #6
Maybe Dersh is blackmailing Trump with what he knows about his dealings with underage girls? machoneman Jun 2020 #7
Wow. People are saying....just saying that I hear some people are saying ashredux Jun 2020 #9
Goose/Gander not_the_one Jun 2020 #20
So much corruption, gab13by13 Jun 2020 #8
Hmmm. Maybe Barr got a back rub ashredux Jun 2020 #10
the whole thing smells to high heaven. AllaN01Bear Jun 2020 #11
How many others? SayItLoud Jun 2020 #12
This would actually go a long way toward explaining Dershowitz's defense of MF45. What did KPN Jun 2020 #13
He certainly could have raped her with his underwear on. Rape/ sexual assault involves any Pepsidog Jun 2020 #15
The way underwear is constructed, MANY are made in a way where you can STILL get your dick out, not_the_one Jun 2020 #21
Epstein-Barr is the virus that causes mononucleosis..... TalenaGor Jun 2020 #16
Just a karmic coincidence, I'm sure. Marcuse Jun 2020 #22
omg wow that's a lot..... our government is diseased lol TalenaGor Jun 2020 #23
"It was an old Russian woman who gave me a massage." sarcasmo Jun 2020 #17
Yeah, right. But he "left his underwear on." Cyrano Jun 2020 #18
"Nobody invites me to the Hampton's parties anymore." 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 sarcasmo Jun 2020 #28
Ah! The well-known "you can't rape somebody when you've got underwear!" defense struggle4progress Jun 2020 #25
Just like the defense by a rapist that... TruckFump Jun 2020 #36
Seems like the whole house of cards is falling down!1 & am talking SHITLER, too!1 UTUSN Jun 2020 #27
EXTREMELY selective principle: Hortensis Jun 2020 #34
And the heads begin to roll! TruckFump Jun 2020 #35
Ugh! This whole clusterfuck and all it's participants are so sordid and vile. smirkymonkey Jun 2020 #38

JI7

(89,247 posts)
1. I wonder if Barr's whole thing has to do with the Epstein connection going back to Barr's father
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 09:36 AM
Jun 2020

hiriding Epstein to teach at a school even though he was like 21 years old and dropped out of college.

This is so strange and I wonder why this doesn't seem to be looked into more.

PNW-Dem

(244 posts)
19. It's about the Epstein videos...
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 12:26 PM
Jun 2020

Interesting theory, but I don't think it's about Barr's father. It's pretty clear that Epstein recorded secret videos in his Manhattan home and his island in the Virgin Islands. Apparently, they were confiscated during the FBI raid. Where are these "tapes"? When will they see the light of day? Who's on them? Probably Dershowitz and a whole slew of other power brokers. Here's another interesting question, who thinks Epstein was murdered and who thinks he committed suicide?...

tanyev

(42,550 posts)
24. I think JI7 was theorizing that Barr's overall willingness to be a fixer
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 01:28 PM
Jun 2020

started with events involving his father and Epstein and have continued through the years until he has now worked himself into a place where he has the power to fix a lot of things for a select group of people. It is an interesting theory.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
32. Noel Casler , who was a talent handler for NBC and worked on Celebrity Apprentice said
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 03:10 PM
Jun 2020

that after Barr's father was terminated at Dalton , he got hired at Hackley School as headmaster. Casler was dating a girl at the school and at a prom the students referred to Barr's father as Chester the Molester. Remember , Barr's father wrote that weird book while he was at Dalton about aliens having sex with underage teenage girls.

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
3. Last year he made matters much, much worse for himself on
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 09:42 AM
Jun 2020

Twitter when he actually argued it should be legal for a man his age to have sex with a young teenager. Anybody remember that?

First he denied it.
Then he said he kept his underwear on.
Then he said there was nothing wrong with it, and that it should be legal.
Then Twitter users asked him if he was drunk-tweeting.
Then he said he was just speaking hypothetically.

riversedge

(70,187 posts)
4. " I know for a fact that Berman had an open case on Dershowitz and Epstein."...
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 09:43 AM
Jun 2020

I don't have a clue as to the truth or non truth of this..........


@pesachlattin
I may get in trouble for this: I know several SDNY investigators and even trained one of them in computer forensics years ago.

I know for a fact that Berman had an open case on Dershowitz and Epstein.


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Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
5. Virginia was around the Epstein mess for a long time.
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 10:36 AM
Jun 2020

She knows plenty. She’s also articulate, dedicated to her cause, and seems to be a very mentally stable person, given what she has been through.

She will be a formidable witness. Good luck, Dersh, ya old perv! Make sure to keep your underdraws on!

FakeNoose

(32,633 posts)
31. Ms. Giuffre got out of the country with at least some evidence against these guys
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 03:04 PM
Jun 2020

Several years ago she escaped Epstein's clutches, and flew out of the country with the help of a friend. She's now living with her husband (under her married name) in Australia I believe. At least that was true as of a year ago.

Virginia Giuffre filed charges against Ghislain Maxwell about 5 (?) years ago, supplying names, dates, and at least some corroborating documents and photos. I have read her charges against Maxwell because it's available online, for those who know how to find it. Maxwell counter-sued and attempted to exonerate herself and Epstein in the process. If Giuffre has filed similar charges against Alan Dershowitz, I have no doubt they are true. Whether she is able to return to the US and testify in court would be the question of guaranteeing her physical safety.




Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
33. In that Netflix series about Epstein...
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 03:20 PM
Jun 2020

Virginia said they wanted her to surrogate a baby for them. After considering, she told them she would, with the condition that they allow her to obtain a massage therapist certification, which they had promised since meeting her. One day, Epstein brings her a plane ticket for Thailand or somewhere, where she would go to receive the required training.

While in Thailand, and I think shortly before her return trip, she met her future husband, and decided to escape with him to Australia. Epstein and Maxwell were very upset.

She must have felt so free.

FakeNoose

(32,633 posts)
39. Wow didn't know that part about the surrogate baby
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 08:05 AM
Jun 2020

She was still very young, in her early 20s. Poor girl's childhood was ruined by those two freaks.


 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
37. Where is Ghislaine these days?
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 08:48 PM
Jun 2020

And why isn't she under investigation? She is a major player in this whole mess and needs to be hauled into court. She was basically Epstein's Madame.

FakeNoose

(32,633 posts)
40. I think she's laying low somewhere in New England
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 08:12 AM
Jun 2020

Last year a magazine did a follow-up story on her, she's hiding out in Massachusetts or someplace. I'm not sure if she can leave the country, or maybe she can leave but not return?

There are still charges pending against her, and maybe some lawsuits. There were several young women involved, not just Giuffre.

machoneman

(4,006 posts)
7. Maybe Dersh is blackmailing Trump with what he knows about his dealings with underage girls?
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 10:50 AM
Jun 2020

People are saying....

Many people are saying...

I heard that many people are saying.......

gab13by13

(21,304 posts)
8. So much corruption,
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 10:52 AM
Jun 2020

let's not forget that Barr visited the prison where Epstein was being held. A personal visit means no paper trail or phone record.

Not saying that Trump/Barr had Epstein murdered but if this were a movie I would believe it.

SayItLoud

(1,702 posts)
12. How many others?
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 11:13 AM
Jun 2020

Hung themselves or committed suicide in the same facility that Epstein "committed suicide"? 1, 5, 10 ??? How many others?

KPN

(15,642 posts)
13. This would actually go a long way toward explaining Dershowitz's defense of MF45. What did
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 11:36 AM
Jun 2020

he have to lose? MF45 made him an offer he couldn't refuse? Isn't this the way the Russians do it? And it's coming out anyway. Like every MF45 associate, rot and emaciation sets in sooner or later, eventually killing off whatever honor and capacity for an ethically productive future the person may have had.

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
15. He certainly could have raped her with his underwear on. Rape/ sexual assault involves any
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 11:52 AM
Jun 2020

penetration of the genitalia, however so slight, with a finger or other body part or object. He could have kept his underwear on and penetrated her digitally. That he kept his I kept his undies on is not a defense, at least not in my State of NJ.

 

not_the_one

(2,227 posts)
21. The way underwear is constructed, MANY are made in a way where you can STILL get your dick out,
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 12:41 PM
Jun 2020

and you don't even have to lower the elastic waist.

You can do it just to PEE! So rape would be very possible.

DUH!


TruckFump

(5,812 posts)
36. Just like the defense by a rapist that...
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 08:39 PM
Jun 2020

...she deserved it cuz she was dressed to be raped.

I cannot believe the bullshit from someone who supposedly is a legal scholar!?!?! Egads!!!

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
34. EXTREMELY selective principle:
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 03:29 PM
Jun 2020



He's made a second career out of supporting false accusations. He joined that nest of moral cockroaches and deserves anything bad that comes of it.
 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
38. Ugh! This whole clusterfuck and all it's participants are so sordid and vile.
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 08:51 PM
Jun 2020

I honestly hope there is some dark horse hero prosecutor who can rise out of the ashes and put all of these bastards away for the rest of their sick, sad, useless little lives.

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