The shish black folk have to go through in every day life is exhausting

[StarfishSaver]

Seriously

Link to tweet

[hlthe2b]

1. She'd be a despicable person no matter what the issue. No truly sane person acts like that.

[Cal Carpenter]

2. I don't even know what to say about that one

Does she believe her own bullshit?

[OneBro]

3. Yea, she could be a melodramatic racist, but . . .

He gets a major FAIL for following her home and pulling in behind her car. Race matters in America, and all of his explanations wouldn’t mean poo when cops pull up and assume he’s a mugging, raping, violent drug-dealing pimp trying to kidnap her with a flip phone they thought was a gun.

[StarfishSaver]

5. No, he doesn't get a "major fail."

She flipped him off and cut him off and he wants to talk to her. He shouldn't have to change his behavior because cops might racist all over him.

The system is a major fail, not this young man.

[OneBro]

9. Give that speech at his funeral.

Cops kill regardless of your rights. This WHITE woman is going ape shit and he is exercising his right to, what, force her to apologize for being a racist asshole?

Some battles are worth fighting and dying for. THIS is NOT the one.

[StarfishSaver]

10. Cops kill no matter black men no matter what they do.

Telling black men to stand down and not assert themselves won't solve the problem.

[Johnny2X2X]

23. No one should be following people home after something like this, period

A traffic dispute, not an accident, doesn't warrant this type of confrontation no matter who's involved. You follow someone to their home because they flipped you off? Grow the hell up.

And yes, she was worse, she acted like an infant when confronted.

What the hell is wrong with people? I lost my best friend to a random act of road rage just like this, my word there is no reason to flip someone off, if you do lose your temper and flip them off, follow it up with the peace sign or a wave.

But this guy following her to her home and then jumping out of his car to call her Karen like 40 times is ridiculous too. Act like an adult.

I did not see where he said she called her a racial slur on the tape.

[cwydro]

54. Gotta agree.

I'd be majorly annoyed if someone followed me home.

I don't flip people off in traffic, but I know plenty do. Many have posted how they do it here.

Let's try to act like adults.

[BannonsLiver]

29. +1

We have 400 million guns in this country, many of them carried by scared people who aren’t shy about using them and in many cases have warped state laws that back them up in almost every scenario. Yes, it sucks to be flipped off in traffic but you gotta pick your battles in this environment.

I rarely use my horn anymore because I feel like it creates a situation where someone who is nuts or having a bad day could put a bullet through my head. That person would likely go to jail, but I’d be dead so it’s of little benefit to me. No thanks. Guess what else I don’t do? Flip people off in traffic. For the same reasons.

[Merlot]

14. If he followed her home, that's wrong.

Guy was an asshole for following her home, calling her karen and asking if she wanted to calm down. He provoked that situation.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

15. All she had to do was walk away.

[Merlot]

16. All he had to do was not follow her home.

Being followed home is creepy and threatening. Following someone home for a flip off and a cutoff sounds like it could escalate into road rage.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

18. All the better reason for her to go inside and avoid a confrontation

rather than escalate it by having a completely weird meltdown.

[StarfishSaver]

24. Notice the default position is to blame the black guy

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

25. Yes, that seems to be what's going on.

As in any road rage situation, he might have saved himself some angst by just letting it go; you don't know what can happen when you get into conflicts with road-ragey strangers. There are too many weird people out there with bad attitudes and guns. But I'll drop it in her lap; she could easily have made the whole thing go away. Her reaction was just bizarre, and it was either completely insane or else intended to get the guy in trouble with the police, like the woman who had the hissy fit about the birdwatcher in the park. If she really was so afraid of the guy, why didn't she just go inside her house and avoid the whole confrontation entirely? The man didn't seem to be behaving in a threatening manner at all, and if she didn't want to talk to him she could have walked away.

My own position with respect to any road rage incident is, don't do it and don't respond to it.

[irisblue]

49. Yeppers

[gollygee]

53. Another default position seems to be

that if he is imperfect in any way, anything done to him is justified. That's something we've seen over and over and over again.

[LanternWaste]

26. Unsurprising that's the focus of your approbation

And reserving all of your criticism for him alone.

No doubt, there's an empty excuse for it.

[A HERETIC I AM]

22. You should look into his Twitter and Instagram account a bit further.

Look through is posts for the video of where the cops were called on him and hois partner for having loud FUCKING SEX!

It’s just Absurd.
https://instagram.com/karlosdillard?igshid=1vomo6gizhrnx

[ret5hd]

4. "What have I done to you?"

Real answer: You’ve made me realize that I have have just lost my job, social respect, friends, and have subjected myself to public ridicule.

[SMC22307]

109. He's Backwards B Girl. None of what you said will come true...

for the woman in the video.

[wryter2000]

6. Good lord

All she had to do was go in her house.

That’s insane.

[cwydro]

55. She's messed up, but no man should follow a woman home.

Ever.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

7. Good God.

That one has issues...

[Hermit-The-Prog]

8. Looks like very bad acting to me. There's real shit going on out there. Don't need fake.

[Merlot]

17. Kind of what I thought as well - felt kind of fake.

But if he did follow her home, it's his bad.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

19. The screeching and the repeated, emphatic use of "Karen" convinces me it's trolling.

[LanternWaste]

27. I dig your implication she's free of any responsibility.

I also think your implication is empty, without merit, and has no foundation in law, ethics or reality.

But maybe your response isn't real... just some drama to stir things up, precisely the same you alleged of the incident. Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

[Merlot]

28. Actually not my "implication" at all. But dig away.

[ismnotwasm]

35. Hahahahaha

[matt819]

11. Kind of unrelated, but still. . .

Old(ish) white guy here.

Yesterday afternoon I was driving in town. I was in my lane heading toward a traffic circle when a guy tried to go around me on my left and cut in. I honked. He honked. He stopped to my left, gave me the finger and started cursing. White guy in a high-vis t-shit, beat-up jeep-type vehicle. I ignored him and kept moving. He then came around on my right side and did the same thing. I didn't even look at him or give him the finger as I began to write the article in my head about how I died in a road rage incident. He then cut in front of me from my right and sped through the traffic circle. I was relieved to see that he went past where I had to turn after the circle.

The point? Road rage, not racism, so there's that. At the same time, it didn't occur to me to follow him and accost him. That's dangerous. I can't recall any incident where a "Karen," on camera, pulled out a gun. But it could happen, as it could have happened with the guy who went nuts on me. It was weird. (But I got into a shouting match with a medical professional of mine over the weekend - chalk that up to stress, COVID-19, summer heat, etc. So I'm not exactly a tutor in the anger management department.) I guess my point is that, while this video is both sad and funny, it could have had an awful ending. That said, I understand what drove him to do it. (What drove the woman is a mystery.) As the title of the OP observes, this is the kind of shit black people go through every day.

[Dan]

12. Good point!

[StarfishSaver]

13. Exactly

I think he followed her because he really wanted to talk to her. And he never went on her property or anywhere near her.

And for those (not you) who say he shouldn't have done it because he put himself in danger, I ask "Why ask why he supposedly put himself in danger and ask instead why should that have put him in danger and why do you treat that it put him in danger as a given that HE must adjust to instead of demanding that things be changed so that a black man isn't endangered by engaging in behavior that white people do all the time?

Moreover, following her didn't put him in danger. Being black puts him at risk. He could be shot by the police for following her, or just sitting in his car, or walking or jogging in the "wrong" neighborhood or just sleeping in his bed. The problem isn't that anything he DID cold get him hurt. The problem is that who and what he IS can get him killed.

Thanks for the really thoughtful post.

[matt819]

20. I see your point

You're right. It's long past time to rephrase or complete rewrite the questions we ask when it comes to black people. Not why he should put himself in danger but why it's a given that a black person will be in danger when confronting a white person, even peacefully.

But, following up on my post, let's put aside the fact that Karlos is black. We live in a fucked up world, and it could have been just as likely that "Road Rage Karen" would attack him because she's Road Rage Karen rather than because Karlos is black. Just as I might have been at risk in my road rage incident where two white guys were involved (well, one white guy was actually involved in the road rage - this white guy ignored the whole thing).

Just thinking about it a bit more. Let's just say that she was more concerned about her privacy. Sure, she was an ass for giving the finger, but let's just say she was just more concerned about her privacy. And then let's say she told Karlos that she'd talk to him if he turned off the camera. Think about that. She might have had some genuine concerns and she might have been willing to hash things out, just not on camera. If I were Karlos under those circumstances, there's no way I would do that. And you know something, I see no way of getting around that reality.

[StarfishSaver]

21. Or she could have just gone in her house

That pretty much would have taken care of that whole privacy thing ...

[gollygee]

47. It looked to me like she was concerned about her privacy because she'd gotten caught

She'd behaved horribly and she ended up having a video of her. I wish being afraid of getting caught being awful on camera would make people behave well rather than just behave the same horrible way but freak out after getting caught.

[Mariana]

82. There's no reasonable expectation of privacy when one is out in public.

Anyone can photograph or record you, any time, as long as they're not trespassing on private property while they do it. That's how it is. You'd think more people would understand this by now.

[aikoaiko]

30. Not for nothing, but there is also a gender issue here.

I've always been big for my age and learned quickly that being a large, tall, strong man can terrify a person in even a friendly context if alone, especially a small woman. I've come to realize it may have nothing to do with my behavior per se and more to do with how other men have treated women horribly in the past.

As a result, even if someone flipped me off or said hateful words, I would not follow them home, block their car, and get out to "talk" to them.

I just had this conversation with my 15-year old son who is already 6 foot about being conscience of his size and how it can terrify people, especially girls his age or even woman. Even though it may be in his right to do something or be angry, he has to understand that he can scare people which changes everything.

The man says the woman used the n-word too and I'll not say he should not confront her or try to talk with her, but he does seem to flip into troll mode after pressing the video record button.

[StarfishSaver]

31. Studies have shown than people imagine black men as bigger, stronger and more threatening

than white men of similar size and bearing. One of the reasons some white people suddenly become "fearful of their lives" when engaging with them.

[aikoaiko]

32. yep the intersectionality thing is real.

[WestCoastYellowDog]

34. I don't believe the Trumpie

[WestCoastYellowDog]

33. Should I believe the stalked woman or should I believe Trumpie?

I was really triggered watching this. I thought the Trumpie was going to beat or sexually assault the woman. Trumpies should not be able to exploit a crisis to commit violent crimes.

[ismnotwasm]

36. Trumpie?

[WestCoastYellowDog]

37. Yes, the accuser/video uploader is an admitted Trump supporter

He has also accused others publicly previously of using the n-word.

[ismnotwasm]

38. Do you have a link please ?

[WestCoastYellowDog]

40. Here you go

https://www.google.com/amp/s/spectator.us/viral-justice-demented-war-karens-karlos-dillard/amp/

I believe this lady probably cut him off, probably did NOT use a racial slur, and probably is telling the truth when she said she has a black husband. I believe Mr. Dillard weaponized the allegation of racism in a road rage incident just like he did at a restaurant previously. He is an admitted Trump supporter.

[SMC22307]

86. Mr. Dillard sounds like a Grade A opportunistic asshole. Unfortunate that so many...

automatically defended him based on the color of his skin.

[SMC22307]

95. "Lay a Trap. You lay a trap of racism."

http://www.edrants.com/when-is-a-karen-not-a-karen-the-cruelty-and-lies-of-karlos-dillard/

He sounds like a truly horrible human being. It's refreshing to see that DU has given this OP only 12 recs as I post this... I guess folks knew something was just not right from what little info was offered up. Yeah, it's trendy to trash white women, but this type of manipulative bullshit from Dillard doesn't help race relations AT ALL.

[ismnotwasm]

39. He's a black man

Do you think getting called the “N” word is uncommon in Seattle? . I live here btw


I’m looking for a link of this poster saying he’s a Trump supporter. I’m not finding it

[WestCoastYellowDog]

41. I posted it above

[ismnotwasm]

43. Thank you

So, you are saying then, that conservative Black Gay men are not to be believed? I think the whole think is a shitshow, but you argument that she “might be sexually assaulted” reinforces an old racist trope.

Or are you saying that this particular person is exploiting the BLM situation for clout on social media? That he never experienced or experiences racism, and therefor has nor right to call it out?

The Spectator article certainly implies that this is the case.

[WestCoastYellowDog]

60. My fear about violence against women is not race based

I will concede because of personal reasons I do get triggered easily against potential violence against women, but that lady had a legitimate reason to be fearful of violence. If a white man did that, I’d be scared too.

[SMC22307]

98. "I did vote for Donald Trump."

There’s also the question of whether Dillard’s political motivations are entirely sound. He voiced support for Trump as recently as last month. In a July 11, 2017 episode of The Black Guy Conservative Athesist, Dillard states, “I did vote for Donald Trump.” He later says of Trump: “He might help me with my business taxes. I might get a business loan, which I can’t seem to do.” In a followup interview in May, Dillard claimed that Trump “hasn’t done anything directly to black people, but his antics over the last three years have ignited so much ignorance.” He later said in the followup podcast, “I still think with my thing. I don’t think he has hurt small business and I don’t think he has directly affected black folks.”

http://www.edrants.com/when-is-a-karen-not-a-karen-the-cruelty-and-lies-of-karlos-dillard/

[gollygee]

42. I followed the link

it's his Instragram. He appears to show that he has a hat that says "Make America Gay Again" and not a MAGA hat. It very much looks to me like he is not a Trump supporter.

[ismnotwasm]

45. There's also a YouTube link that I'm not going to listen too, at least the whole thing

I’m troubled by the implication that this guy is an opportunist, rather than someone who has had it with racist shit.

[gollygee]

46. It sounds like he's selling a book or something

I mean he could have had it with racist shit and be selling a book both.

[ismnotwasm]

48. That's what I think

Trying to invalidate his experience because a woman had a meltdown in front of her own home she could just walked into disturbs me a lot

[Maeve]

50. Here's part of an interview he did with the Daily Mail

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8457945/Seattle-man-accused-woman-black-husband-calling-n-word-hits-critics.html

Other accusations leveled at Dillard include that he is a Trump supporter, with some on social media claiming that he had deleted pictures showing his support from his Instagram page before the video went viral.

Dillard again denied the claims, posting a picture in which he is wearing a red hat similar to the Trump 'MAGA' hats but reading 'Make America Gay Again'.

'I had to go 2 years back in my archives to find this for you. Here is your maga hat a** wipe,' he wrote.

'Try again trolls. It's so sad that I even had to go back 2 years to find a receipt.'

[ismnotwasm]

51. Nice!

[gollygee]

52. I think that's the same Instragram post I saw

It's him saying he isn't a Trump supporter so I don't know where this other poster got the idea he is.

[SMC22307]

100. "It's called Lay a Trap. You lay a trap of racism."

http://www.edrants.com/when-is-a-karen-not-a-karen-the-cruelty-and-lies-of-karlos-dillard/

[gollygee]

44. What made you think he was going to sexually assault her?

Really? She said, "You're attacking me right now" and he obviously wasn't.

I've been stalked, like legally where I had to go to court, and being followed home after getting road-ragey with someone doesn't constitute stalking. It has to be repeated behavior.

[StarfishSaver]

57. He's not a "Trumpie," but nice try ...

Deflection is definitely a thing. But some people do it better than others.

[SMC22307]

91. Yeah, he was. What is with the denial?

"There’s also the question of whether Dillard’s political motivations are entirely sound. He voiced support for Trump as recently as last month. In a July 11, 2017 episode of The Black Guy Conservative Athesist, Dillard states, “I did vote for Donald Trump.” He later says of Trump: “He might help me with my business taxes. I might get a business loan, which I can’t seem to do.” In a followup interview in May, Dillard claimed that Trump “hasn’t done anything directly to black people, but his antics over the last three years have ignited so much ignorance.” He later said in the followup podcast, “I still think with my thing. I don’t think he has hurt small business and I don’t think he has directly affected black folks.”"

http://www.edrants.com/when-is-a-karen-not-a-karen-the-cruelty-and-lies-of-karlos-dillard/

[gulliver]

56. Based on the evidence of the video, the guy should have been arrested.

Is there more evidence, or is this just a video of a man harassing a woman in a despicable way?

[StarfishSaver]

58. What did he do that was criminal?

Please cite the criminal statute he violated.

[gulliver]

62. He was threatening to put her picture, her home, and her auto license plate on the web.

And he followed through. She told him she felt physically threatened by him and he didn't withdraw. Done.

Maybe she did what he said. There's no evidence offered, so it can't be known. But what he did is unacceptable.

[StarfishSaver]

63. Please cite the statute that makes that a crime

And while you're at it, please also cite the law that requires a person to "withdraw" while standing in a public thoroughfare because someone tells them they feel physically threatened by them.

[gulliver]

68. If she were your daughter, sister, or mother would you be asking the question?

Also, I pointed out that there is no evidence that the woman did anything at all. Evidence matters. The acts of the guy taking the video are evidence that he was acting with rage toward her. It's clear he was trying to punish her. If he doesn't have some evidence that she did something to him, the case is closed.

[gollygee]

70. Do you think he deserves to be arrested for something?

If so, what should he be arrested for. It isn't ideal to follow someone home who flipped you off and cuts you off in traffic. That doesn't make it illegal or mean he deserves her claim that he was attacking her when he clearly wasn't.

[gulliver]

72. You didn't answer my question, but everyone knows the answer.

Do not unto others...it can't be clearer.

[gollygee]

73. You're not answering mine either

There's a troubling theme where when African Americans aren't perfect in any way, white people want them arrested and punished, even when they haven't committed a crime. He isn't perfect. He also did not commit a crime.

[gulliver]

75. Agreed. That obviously happens.

But that doesn't mean what this guy did didn't warrant arrest. He sets back the cause of justice for those who are wrongfully treated by behaving in an unjust and, very arguably, criminal manner toward this woman. I can assure you, regardless of any identity category, the "person" who took that film (absent evidence of provocation as is the case) deserves arrest and/or a civil suit.

[gollygee]

76. I have been literally stalked

Like for years. You have no idea how much had to be done before the guy got arrested, and then his plea bargain was for disturbing the peace instead of stalking because people were scared when he grabbed me. Really.

This guy did nothing to warrant arrest. He followed her one time, stayed in a public place, and backed off a little bit when she said, "You're attacking me!" And then, instead of going into her house, she covered her license plate, which shows she wasn't really scared. Stalking has to be a pattern. Harassment has to be a pattern. Following one time and having a disagreement and videotaping it is uncomfortable and not nice, but not illegal.

[gulliver]

79. I am extremely sorry that happened to you.

My family also had stalking trouble. It's no picnic.

[StarfishSaver]

83. Don't worry about my family. Just answer the question.

You claimed he committed a crime. Please point to the law you think he broke.

FYI, contrary to popular opinion in some quarters, it's not a crime for a black man to mouth off to a white woman, so you'll need to point to an actual statute ...

[gollygee]

64. None of this is illegal.

He was in public space.

[gulliver]

69. I'll leave that decision up to the law. It's definitely an unauthorized release of PII.

And definitely a threat when someone chases you down in a motor vehicle and acts enraged toward you.

[gollygee]

71. It is not illegal to post a picture of someone's license plate. nt

[Mariana]

81. If you really think he should be arrested

have you reported the supposed crimes to the Seattle police? If not, why not?

[Mariana]

78. None of those things are crimes. nt.

[Tipperary]

59. She may be a "Karen."

But that guy is a dick.

[SMC22307]

61. I've been cut off and flipped off while driving... is that "shish" white women have to go through?

What I didn't do is follow the person home and antagonize them, because I knew I'd be asking for trouble.

This video captures only part of the story and quite frankly, it doesn't pass the smell test.

[StarfishSaver]

65. Of course not

But having white people act like we're about to kill them and pose a threat to them when we're doing nothing of the kind is something we do have to deal with regularly.

You can think what you want, but I am certain this woman's over-the-top reaction was due to the fact that this man was black and she would NOT have reacted this way, falling out in her driveway, cowering and yelling that she was being attacked, if a white man had followed her, stayed in the street nowhere near her, and said he wanted to talk to her after she flipped him off. I believe she would have just gone in the house and that would have been the end of it. But black men's bodies provoke outsized fear in some white people and are seen, in and of themselves, as a threat.

[SMC22307]

87. Is she married to a black man?

If so, I don't think she experiences "outsized fear" of black men's bodies. Something is very off about this entire exchange, unlike the black birdwatcher in Central Park or Filipino man in San Fran. I hope more info comes out and when it does, I don't think it's going to favor Mr. Dillard.

I thought that this was in itself disgraceful harassment and a lurid demonstration of the very worst tendencies of social media. But the story goes deeper than this. Mr Dillard, who describes himself as an ‘author’, ‘entrainer’ [sic] and ‘public speaker’, soon began selling t-shirts based on the woman’s desperate cry that she had a black husband. I don’t often use the word ‘grifter’ — but how much griftier can you get?

https://spectator.us/viral-justice-demented-war-karens-karlos-dillard/

[StarfishSaver]

88. You think that being married to a black man innoculates a woman from being afraid of black men?

I urge you to study racism, its history and its manifestations throughout our history.

You can start by doing some reading about white women in the antebellum south and go from there.

[SMC22307]

90. "Lay a Trap. You lay a trap of racism."

THERE it is, just as I suspected.

http://www.edrants.com/when-is-a-karen-not-a-karen-the-cruelty-and-lies-of-karlos-dillard/

I watched the 14-minute video that Dillard has deleted but others saved. He followed her and spoke to her in an aggressive manner. No issues with a man -- white, black or brown -- bullying a woman? Die on the Dillard hill if you want but he sounds like a total POS and I hope she goes after him, within legal means.

[StarfishSaver]

93. "spoke to her in an aggressive manner"

Got it.

[SMC22307]

96. LOL Yep, die on that race-baiting Dillard hill! (n/t)

[Tipperary]

66. Spot on.

The guy sounds like an asshole, no mater his color.

Most definitely does not pass the smell test.

[gollygee]

67. She didn't run away into her house. She covered her license plate.

That doesn't really pass the smell test for me as far as her "You're attacking me right now!" thing goes.

[SMC22307]

85. Maybe she was afraid of the internet mob coming after her.

Maybe she has mental health issues. Maybe she just got some really bad news. Have you seen any video of what led to that exact exchange? She's wearing a mask and gloves and none of us know what was going on in her life. Evidently she cut and flipped him off and rather than leave, he followed her home. Was she hurling racial epithets at him prior to that exchange? Was he cut and flipped off because he's black or because she's an asshole driver who would do the same to anyone? He comes across as an opportunist to me (Karen! Karen! Karen!), not genuine like the black birdwatcher in Central Park. There are legit Karens, like the woman who harrassed the gay Filipino man in San Francisco for stenciling "Black Lives Matter" on his retaining wall. But in this situation, there *ain't* enough info. And, no, I'm not knee-jerking and demanding that he be arrested. I just need more info.

On edit:

Yeah, what I expected, if this is true:

Mr Dillard, who describes himself as an ‘author’, ‘entrainer’ [sic] and ‘public speaker’, soon began selling t-shirts based on the woman’s desperate cry that she had a black husband. I don’t often use the word ‘grifter’ — but how much griftier can you get?

https://spectator.us/viral-justice-demented-war-karens-karlos-dillard/

[gollygee]

74. This thread is a perfect microcosm of everything

White woman makes Black man uncomfortable.

Black man makes White woman uncomfortable.

White people get very upset that Black man made White woman uncomfortable.

Black man is not perfect.

Because Black man is not perfect, White people want him Held Accountable! And arrested! For something! He must be punished!

Our society is very focused on protecting White women from Black men.

[ismnotwasm]

77. Yup

[WhiskeyGrinder]

80. Exactly right.

[StarfishSaver]

84. Perfectly stated

[Blasphemer]

89. Yes, exactly!... nt

[SMC22307]

92. The guy is a grifting loser who race baits. (And bullies women!)

"Lay a Trap. You lay a trap of racism."

http://www.edrants.com/when-is-a-karen-not-a-karen-the-cruelty-and-lies-of-karlos-dillard/

[cigsandcoffee]

94. She's obviously terrified of having her life destroyed...

...in a Trial byTwitter. He’s putting her address and license plate on line.

Do we really know she did what he said? Does it even matter?

[StarfishSaver]

97. Her life is being "destroyed" through "Trial by Twitter," it's because she fell out in her driveway

acting like someone was beating her and screaming that she had a black husband and was being attacked.

Maybe she should have just gone in the house instead of acting a fool in the front yard.

[cigsandcoffee]

99. Maybe she's terrified and acting irrationally.

Not everyone is cool under fire, you know.

[StarfishSaver]

101. True

The same thing applies to black people who get called racial slurs on the street. But we're supposed to suck it up and not react in any way that could be seen as irrational or it's OUR fault if things go south. But when a white woman acts out, she's just under pressure.

Next time maybe she should refrain from calling black people names if she can't handle their reaction.

[cigsandcoffee]

106. The n-word accusation came much later than the bird accusation.

It sounded a little bit like an embellishment to me. Wouldn’t being called a racist name be the thing you’d lead off with?

Or is her behavior on video? Did I miss that part?

I’m not a big fan of this “Karen” thing. I think women have had a hard enough time throughout history without having one more pejorative aimed at them.

In this climate where normal citizens are getting burned at the stake online, I can forgive someone for feeling abject terror at the point of a camera in their driveway.

[StarfishSaver]

107. In a climate where people defend a cop who shot a black man who was so scared he'd be killed that

he ran away, I just not feeling the need to join in with the kneejerk defense of a white woman they claim feels "abject terror" because a black man on the street with a camera says he wants to talk to her about why she gave him the finger and called him a racial slur.

[cigsandcoffee]

108. Fair enough. I would only remind you of one thing...

The women killed for being witches in the early days of this country (and in many others) weren’t actually witches.

[SMC22307]

102. Maybe you need to stop passing judgment until you know the entire story (pics and videos @ link).

And it doesn't appear to be what Dillard the Race-baiter is offering up.

http://www.edrants.com/when-is-a-karen-not-a-karen-the-cruelty-and-lies-of-karlos-dillard/

[StarfishSaver]

103. Yes, we know you've taken it upon yourself to defend her and demonize him

Got it.

[SMC22307]

105. I'd do the same if genders and races were "reversed." I'm sick of BULLSHIT.

And based on what I've read, the person you are defending is a race-baiting asshole who needs to get his life together.

[SMC22307]

104. Yeah. Lots of pics and videos.

http://www.edrants.com/when-is-a-karen-not-a-karen-the-cruelty-and-lies-of-karlos-dillard/

I don't have the time -- or inclination -- to study this exchange from start to finish but it appears that Dillard is a race-baiting asshole. A bit of a loser at life to boot.

[gollygee]

110. That's a bunch of speculation by a random blogger who incorrectly thinks he's a Trump supporter

Who knows what else he incorrectly assumes.

It's very hard to take anyone seriously who uses the term "race-baiter."