Is Fauci playing with words when it comes to a CV19 vaccine?! One minute he says by end of year 2020

[uponit7771]

The the next minute he's saying that a "Licensed" vaccine wont be ready for some time.

These are quotes from Fauci today

"ready" by end of year

https://www.kxan.com/news/fauci-to-testify-at-a-fraught-time-for-us-pandemic-response/

WASHINGTON (AP) — The government’s top infectious disease expert told a House committee on Tuesday he believes “it will be when and not if” there will be a COVID-19 vaccine and that he remains “cautiously optimistic” that some will be ready at the end of the year.

a "licensed" CV 19 vaccine Wont come from some time

https://nypost.com/2020/06/23/dr-fauci-warns-coronavirus-vaccine-might-take-some-time/

“The rigorous clinical testing required to establish vaccine safety and efficacy means that it might take some time for a licensed SARS-CoV-2 vaccine to be available to the general public,” Fauci said in his written remarks. “The COVID-19 response currently is focused on the proven public health practices of containment and mitigation.”

How can both be true if one considers the end of the year light speed relative to past effective** vaccines

** meaning vaccines have been done quickly in the past for plagues but few if any were effective.

NOTE: Historically effective and safe vaccines take 2 - 4 years to develop but we're getting NO DATA on why the recent batch of vaccines are time tested safe vs before to make someone feel optomistic that any vaccine is coming soon.

I hate double talk and I'm not going to convince myself Fauci doesn't understand the context of time when it comes to a wide use, readily available, high effective, safe far all ages and stages vaccine for humans.

Thx in advance for your input

[marble falls]

1. There's no contradiction. Having the vaccine by the end of the year doesn't mean it'd be all ...

certified by the end of the year.

[uponit7771]

2. That's still playing with words knowing the lay person doesn't know to even ask about credentialized

... medicines for public use.

This gets worse, that's double talk at best.

[uponit7771]

9. That's still playing with words knowing the lay person doesn't know to even ask about credentialized

[Hugin]

3. At this point Fauci is just above the noise in my 'meh' scale.

Along with any official announcement emanating from most Federal agencies.

[soothsayer]

5. I was bashing him a bit on another thread

...about saying things like “when it goes away, and it will go away...” and about the vaccine coming in December.

Now he just got testy about mask guidance.

Idk.

[Hugin]

15. I am trying to be very careful about filtering information since the pandemic became political...

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I realize that what is said by someone like Fauci is reported through media and others. Some of them undoubtedly with an agenda. What we are hearing is what someone wants us to hear using Fauci as a 'provenience' to give their message credibility.

So, I'm forced to monitor my information seeking hard facts. So, I've begun rejecting speculation, which this particular story is. Basically a story speculating on the timeline of the emergence of a vaccine and someone (a lot of someones, in this case) are pushing for sooner rather than safer or more effective.

I'd like to know where hot-spots are, new treatment advances, and things *I* can personally do to reduce my exposure. A vaccine is a dream and purely speculation at this time.

[HotTeaBag]

12. Exactly my thinking as well.

I've never been in the camp that believes that you can't trust the government - in my mind it was always the prepper/militia types that felt that way.

But now - they may indeed have a point. Amazing how quickly and far we've fallen in what, 41 months?

[uponit7771]

14. right ?!

[Hugin]

19. Now that Agent Orange and Moscow Mitch have brought Soviet style Pravda roaring back...

Let's hope the next administration comes equipped with a shiny new Perestroika.

Maybe they could ask Gorby for some tips.

[wiggs]

4. He lets others shape the discussion as they like, saying just enough to let the issue remain squishy

[uponit7771]

6. +1, this what I'm seeing also and it seems to now verge on playing with words. Its stupid, he knows

... we have the tech today to squash this ENOUGH of this bug without a vaccine but Red Don wont deploy it on a federal level

[wiggs]

16. I'm also not impressed with the questions. They could be a lot more effective in getting to the

heart of the matter. What are other countries doing that we aren't? Are states following the CDC reopening guidelines? OK...so they haven't had direction regarding slowing testing....do they understand that's what the WH wants? Could we be doing a much better job testing? What about infection rates per test, what does that tell us? The WH didn't want a ship full of infected passengers to disembark because it would make him look bad...have they seen other evidence of WH prioritizing appearances over public health? Should we trust what the WH says about covid? Is the task force still needed? Why are we reducing funding aid for testing this month?

[uponit7771]

21. +1, we're skeptical cause Fauci is associated with Trump in anyway I wish other would be too

[dawg day]

7. Yeah, he'll say something about "cautiously optimistic"

which allows a lot of wriggle room.

Also, having a vaccine in trials by the end of the year doesn't mean much. They really will have to make sure the vaccine doesn't kill people first (I remember the flu vaccine in the 70s that gave some people a crippling disease), and also that it seems effective.

But we all know what ALSO happens at the end of the year (or just before it). The election.
Fauci probably thinks he has to say this to pacify Trump.
But the best "vaccine" we can get is Trump's defeat, and then Biden can hire the right people whose only goal is public health, not "pacifying an insane president" and "helping insane president win reelection".

[uponit7771]

8. +1, Fauci understands the context people expect in regards to timing of the vaccine. Having to throw

... qaulifiers in front of all that makes me think he's not being forward with the truth.

[dawg day]

13. And as an HIV researcher-- Fauci knows-

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I know Covid and HIV aren't similar, but we have to remember that after 35 years, there is still no real HIV vaccine. Fortunately there are preventatives like Truvada and amazing treatments that reduce the viral load so many patients lead normal lives.

But there's no vaccine, though goodness knows, the researchers have tried their best.

It just seems risky to make any promises or even hints of promises.

[Hugin]

20. To be honest, I've been carefully listening to advice and discussions of COVID in the LGBT community

I know that physically the COVID virus and HIV have little in common, but, I've gained a wealth of information on living in a pandemic from them. They've learned quite a bit about coping over the last 35 years and I'm glad they're sharing now.

[dawg day]

22. I know-- we can learn a lot from that experience.

One lesson is that a vaccine can't be the only aim. After all, a vaccine doesn't help those who already have the disease.


Effective treatment and cure are also important aims. We can't forget those already affected, and those who will be affected in the next few years-- can't just assure them that there'll eventually be a vaccine for the rest of us.

[Nevilledog]

10. There's never been a vaccine for a coronavirus.

How could you ever have valid optimism that one will be developed now?
And so quickly?

Nothing I've read leads me to believe that we've progressed enough in 6 months that a vaccine is imminent.

[uponit7771]

11. +1, especially when lead doctors use words like conceivable vs probable one would be ready at a ...

... certain time.

People who get mixed up with Trump have to lose their souls and that sucks

[Initech]

17. We're not getting one this year.

Maybe early next year. Maybe. The other possibility is that the virus burns itself out before the vaccine itself is distributed.

And the thing is even if the vaccine is created, it's going to take a Herculean effort to get it manufactured and distributed.

[dawg day]

25. And there is no one less able/willing to do that Herculean effort-

Than Trump, who will of course appoint Jared as czar and bypass every person and agency who have actually done huge vaccination projects, like WHO and the Gates Foundation and (horrors) the Clinton Foundation.

[Initech]

27. Oh yeah.

He's already favored states for medical supplies based on who voted for him. If he's reelected I could totally see him pitting states against each other for doses. Don't think he won't try it either.

[DeminPennswoods]

18. If you take nothing else away from this hearing,

take away that much is still very much unknown by the scientists and medical personnel.

[jmg257]

23. AkA - he just doesn't know.

I’d be as interested in all the mask yapping and want to
Know why we still don’t have plenty of x95s...it’s been 6+ months.

[uponit7771]

29. Then he should say that instead of allowing both side take aways

[SoonerPride]

24. I wouldn't hold my breath

If, and it is a BIG IF, a vaccine passes ALL clinical trials by the end of this year it will take another year to manufacture and distribute.

It is a huge undertaking.

Plan on masks and avoiding crowds for at least until 2022.

If we get lucky and a vaccine appears to work and also appears at a doctor's office near you prior to 2022 then thank the flying spaghetti monster.

[bdamomma]

26. that sounds pretty

accurate, I am remembering that next Summer there may be a vaccine. Hopefully.

[uponit7771]

30. +1, we could get closer to normal if we had a high accurate quick turn around testing that Pence ...

... spoke about but then lied about later when he said "we" didn't understand that there wouldn't be staff to operate the machines.

I pray Biden can focus on those tests cause they give more promise to normality than a vaccine right now.

[fescuerescue]

28. Nobody knows

There's a whole list of viruses that we are only a "few years away" from a vaccine. And have been for decades.

Not much point in planning for a vaccine right now (unless of course you are in the vaccine business).

To many unknowns.