Keep your eye open for 'Democrats' here supporting Michelle Caruso-Cabrera

[PTWB]

Shockingly there are many 'Democrats' here who are throwing their support behind Michelle Caruso-Cabrera. MCC has recently switched from being a registered Republican to a registered Democrat. That would normally not be an issue but when we examine MCC's record it becomes apparent that this is not merely a case of someone seeing the light and wanting to be on the right side of history.

Upon examining her record, we find that not only was MCC a registered Republican, she was an extremely right wing, ultra-conservative Republican who recently (2010) wrote a book calling for the abolishment of Medicare and Social Security.

Digging into MCC's record further, we find that MCC actually lived in a Donald Trump property until 2019. Not only that, but the forward of her book was written by none other than Larry Kudlow, Donald Trump's Director of the United States National Economic Council. You can look into some of the interviews she gave while peddling her book for yourself. She made many statements that would make even the most radical tea party members look reasonable. MCC is NOT a Democrat.

Let's be clear: MCC has switched parties specifically and with the sole purpose of attempting to sabotage Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. AOC threatens Republicans so much that they are doing everything they can to attempt to sabotage her. AOC is hated so thoroughly by certain so-called Democrats for her outspoken criticism of centrist policies and corporate welfare that these so-called Democrats are ignoring the wolf-in-sheep's clothing just to try to stick a knife in AOC's back.

BE WARNED.

If you see any of these people trying to weasel support for MCC here, confront them immediately so that other posters may see what is occurring. They will not respond with anything of substance when challenged. Mark their names down.

[Renew Deal]

1. Isn't the primary today?

[PTWB]

3. Indeed it is!

We've seen a shocking push of support for MCC here over the last few days.

[SMC22307]

98. The usual suspects... no surprises there. (n/t)

[TheCowsCameHome]

2. Never heard of her. Thx.

What is she supposedly being watched/considered for?

[PTWB]

4. She's running in today's primary against AOC

Republicans have been trying to kneecap AOC since she became such a popular firebrand.

[Polybius]

34. And if she wins today?

Will you support her?

[JonLP24]

5. I expect it

What has opened my eyes are people are more worried about statues than the real change we need to address police reform.

[Crunchy Frog]

17. Some people are worried about the effect the statue business could have

on the important business of getting Dems elected and addressing the real problems with the police.

It's not that they're worried about "teh statues". They're worried that it could undermine the real work for positive change.

[JonLP24]

26. I mean examples like comparing American protestors to the Taliban

There are thousands or millions of protestors we have no control over it and Biden is way ahead in the polls. I would understand the concerns but since the protests Biden has outraised Trump and is beating him by double digits..

Biden was ahead in the polls on the day of Super Tuesday and he won Super Tuesday. Biden polled higher in Michigan and won Michigan. I feel confident in the polls.

[TheBlackAdder]

6. The excuse is that Elizabeth Warren used to be a Republican. But she walks the Democratic walk.

.

This AOC primary opponent seems a bit fugazi to me.

.

[womanofthehills]

11. I mean like - Warren has been a Dem for over 20 yrs

Sounds like MCC became one to run.

[sheshe2]

46. She decided to run in 2015 for 2020?

[blm]

15. The last Repub prez Warren voted for was Gerald Ford.

That part usually gets left out of media stories.

[generalbetrayus]

50. I love Elizabeth Warren, but she doesn't just walk the Democratic walk,

she walks the DNC walk. She has endorsed DNC-approved moderate Dems in primaries over real progressive Dems. This past weekend she endorsed Republican-lite, fracking-loving John Hickenlooper over real progressive Andrew Romanoff for the Democratic Senate nomination to unseat Cory Gardner.

[ahoysrcsm]

179. More than Elizabeth Warren endorsed Governor Hickenlooper.

Here is the list,

U.S. Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J.)
U.S. Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.)
U.S. Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.)
U.S. Rep. Ed Perlmutter (D-Colo.)
U.S. Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.)
State Sen. Jeff Bridges (D-26)
State Rep. Bri Buentello (D-47)
State Rep. James Coleman (D-07)
State Sen. Jessie Danielson (D-20)
State Sen. Kerry Donovan (D-05)
State Sen. Rhonda Fields (D-29)
State Sen. Leroy Garcia Jr. (D-03)
State Rep. Julie McCluskie (D-61)
State Rep. Dylan Roberts (D-26)
State Rep. Tom Sullivan (D-37)

2018 Georgia gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams (D)
Former U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.)
Former U.S. Rep. John Salazar (D-Colo.)
Former U.S. Sen. Ken Salazar (D-Colo.)
Former primary candidate Trish Zornio (D)

Colorado Professional Fire Fighters
Congressional Hispanic Caucus
Congressional Black Caucus PAC
Democratic Majority for Israel
Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee
End Citizens United
Everytown for Gun Safety
Greater Metro Denver Ministerial Alliance
Let America Vote
NARAL
Pipefitters Local 208
Southwest Regional Council of Carpenters

Do you have any issues with the above persons or groups that have endorsed Governor Hickenlooper?
Looks pretty solid to me.

[The Magistrate]

181. Oh The Horror! Not The Democratic National Committee, Sir!

Say it ain't so! Please, please don't tell me members of the Democratic Party actually agree with the people the Party has selected to manage the convention and serve as central spokesman in off years! That is just diabolic evil!

[demmiblue]

7. I mostly ignore the AOC threads, as I only see a fraction of the replies.

From past experience, the biggest AOC haters don't even live in this country.

I don't give a fuck what they think.

Just ignore them.

[BComplex]

8. Me, too, Demmiblue. I love AOC, and I think she has contributed a great deal to the democratic

party since she stepped in. She does what the Lincoln Project does, but she does it from our side of the fence.

One day the Lincoln Project will again turn their vitriol against the democrats. AOC will still be with us.

[Celerity]

12. +100000

[Bettie]

38. +1

Seriously, may be time to reinstate my ignore list (I clear it every so often, in hopes that things have changed)

[KPN]

51. +1.

[Progressive dog]

9. Like most New Yorkers, I voted by absentee

ballot several days ago. However, those Democrats who have not voted are entitled to choose any candidate that they want, no matter what you think of them.

[PTWB]

10. Indeed they are.

Would you support Donald Trump if he ran as a Democrat for any public office?

[Progressive dog]

13. Donald Trump is not running as a Democrat

so that is a ridiculous question. Anyway, it is too late for anyone on DU to cahnge the AOC election.

[PTWB]

18. I'm not saying he is.

Do you support MCC? I’m curious if MCC’s supporters would be consistent. So far none of her supporters have answered that question, but everyone else has.

As far as I’m concerned that’s even better than them answering! It exposes their hypocrisy far better than any answer ever would.

[Progressive dog]

22. I am not in that congressional district

so I can't vote anyway. I do support Democrats and especially like Nancy Pelosi. A little thought might tell you what I do think of AOC.

[PTWB]

25. I like Pelosi and AOC both, but for different reasons.

Knowing what you know about AOC and MCC, who would you support? I’m not in their district either but I would support AOC.

[Progressive dog]

31. Based on the portion of their debate that I watched

and on MCC's promise to support Pelosi and AOC's opposition to what Pelosi has negotiated, I would support MCC. I'm a Democrat.

[PTWB]

36. Less than two year ago she was very publicly promoting her right wing book

In which she advocates for many ultra-right positions including abolishing social security and medicare.

Link to tweet

[JonLP24]

42. A chapter is devoted to Ronald Reagan

I'm glad I don't remember the 80's. It sounds like a horrible decade.

[melman]

48. And giving a special thanks to Trump advisor Larry Kudlow.

[questionseverything]

90. gj...she is awful

ty for the info

[George II]

84. Careful Dog, you'll probably see that question a dozen more times before the night is out.

[DTomlinson]

14. Saboteurs and infiltrators with obvious ulterior motives will seize on any divisions among Democrats

K&R. Thanks for this thread.

[Crunchy Frog]

16. I think some people here genuinely hate AOC more than they do Republicans.

[Doremus]

19. Bingo.

It's almost like they bought into the right's vilification of the word "liberal."

Or they think liberal pols are more dangerous than rightwingers? Makes no sense to me.

[ibegurpard]

24. Yep

And openly so

[PTWB]

27. Clearly!!

There are people here who are jumping on the opportunity to knife AOC in the back simply because she dared rise above what they see as her station.

[SMC22307]

100. I think you're right. But only a handful of usual suspects. (n/t)

[PTWB]

28. Dem bashing MCC?

How low will these people go? I wonder if the alerter has a Russian IP address. Or maybe one at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

Anyway, thanks for letting me know. I’m not surprised but I am disappointed in them. And thank you for telling them to pound sand!

[Tipperary]

30. Wow, I have been on a lot of juries.

Where is the option to “tell them to pound sand?”

[FoxNewsSucks]

29. I was on one last week,

the alerted post was simply MCC's record, and pointing out that she is heavily funded by Banksters (who also hate AOC). It was informative and provided credible sources.

It's a "safe" blue district, it's the only reason she switched parties.

[TristanIsolde]

23. Amen !

[Kaleva]

32. I don't see how support for Michelle Caruso-Cabrera here would have any effect at all.

[PTWB]

33. Why not?

Do you support her?

[Hortensis]

43. Am I completely wrong in experiencing this OP as a threat?

Frankly, I'm glad that's not my district. The foolish irresponsibility of the nearly 90% who didn't bother to vote in the last election didn't result in choices too illiberal left and too potential blue-dog right to represent me. I feel sure that's not what those who just blew off their primary election imagined would come of it.

It seems possible that as MCC claims she really is both economically conservative and socially liberal -- a combination that many millions of women share. Including Elizabeth Warren, with her big-thinking iconoclastic fixes designed to build on liberal New Deal advances (our traditional ways, thus natural fits for traditional conservatives).

So, after 2 years of Ocasio's contribution to 2016 and her record since as this district's congresswoman, I would have to give serious consideration to whether a future blue dog might imperfectly but better reflect my wishes for a responsible social liberal candidate. I'd of course depend on the rest of the house caucus, and her own NY delegation, to keep her from doing economic harm.

As I said, glad it's not my choice, but I would be looking at all choices in hopes of myself making the best choice while doing the least harm.

Don't like it, oh well.

[JonLP24]

49. Blew off the primary

Crowley was on the ballot for the general election and she beat him twice. He voted for the Iraq war and she used that against him and other bad positions he took and after he lost he became a lobbyist. I doubt people there would rather him considering that.

One thing I do know is moderates will sabotage progressives chances against right wingers like they did in the UK. The Tory party sold out to Russia but the Third Way there sabotaged Corbyn. Then they complain about the few progressives that don't vote for the general election candidate in the US.

[Hortensis]

57. I am and have always been a strong progressive liberal,

the real thing without lapse. I'd never risk losing an election to the death-to-progressivism Republicans because of some bizarre delusion that there was little difference between them and me.

Nor would I ever for a moment want to elect anyone to government who supported an attempt to overset my Democratic vote, and those of many millions of others. The closest I come to religion is commitment to representative government of, by and for the people.

And with both progressive service to the people and commitment to serving the will of the people in mind, everyone should be able to understand that I'd be extremely unhappy at my congressman serving a national "constituency's" frivolous wishes instead of my and my district's wishes. And costing us dearly.

There won't be another Amazon headquarters, bringing in a prospective 50,000 jobs and drawing more tech businesses, coming along any time soon. If I lived in that district, I'd have never forgotten NYC's terrible economic stagnation of the 1970s and what it did to people then. Economists say this year that disastrous fiscal crisis could hit NYC again, and soon.

This isn't a theoretical decision but real life. Of course I'd be trying to decide who'd do the least harm until I had choices that suited me better in 2022.

PTWB, I'd need to learn as much as I could about her, but I just talked myself into suspecting MCC might be the better choice for the next two years. In a district that blue it should be easy to get rid of her if she didn't serve her constituents' wishes. And you can believe me when I say I wouldn't hesitate. Our reps owe us everything. We owe them normal courtesy as we monitor their performance, and that's all.

[PTWB]

85. What threat do you see in the OP?

MCC prompted her book abolishing social security and Medicare less than two years ago, while promoting her ties to Larry Kudlow of the Trump administration. She moved out of Trump tower just one year ago.

Anyone who supports her after learning these facts ought to have that support be known by all members of this forum.

The only threat here is to shine a bright light on the MCC supporters so that everyone can see exactly what they’re doing. If transparency and illumination is a threat to someone, they ought to think about what they’re doing.

[Hortensis]

89. Oh, I misunderstood what "confront" "immediately" meant.

And "keep your eye out for." Lol, here I was imagining virtual "confrontation" of anyone who strayed from pack support of one Democrat over another.

Glad to hear it. I don't like mobs, even virtual hot-air ones. It's not how we are.

[ChubbyStar]

188. "We" that is fucking hilarious

You are just a riot.

[Nature Man]

195. Use of the Democratic "We"

is an obvious tell.

[The Magistrate]

216. Of What, Pray Tell, Sir, Is It 'A Tell'?

"Enquiring minds want to know!"

[Kaleva]

78. Can't prove a negative

You on the other hand ought to be able to provide proof that support here at DU would have a measurable effect on the primary in question. If you cannot provide such evidence, then there would be no need to be concerned about those here who may support Michelle Caruso-Cabrera over AOC.

If Michelle Caruso-Cabrera wins the primary, since you signed that you agreed to abide by the TOS (you couldn't post here if you didn't), you will support her.

[PTWB]

83. Nonsense.

If folks here supported Donald Trump switching parties and running against Nancy Pelosi, I’d be just as concerned about their motives regardless of the effect or lack of that such support would have on his chances.

I’d want everyone on the forum who engages with those supporters to know about that.

[Kaleva]

86. Do u agree that supporting Michelle Caruso-Cabrera here would make no difference in the real world?

That this is more of a question of the integrity of fellow DUers who may not be who they claim to be and has an impact limited to this forum only?

Am I correct in thinking that is what you are driving at?

[PTWB]

88. I think that's a fair assessment.

I don’t think (and don’t believe I claimed) that MCC supporters here will have any more impact than supporters of any other candidate. My goal here is to make posters aware of MCC’s recent ultra-conservative positions and her ties to the Trump administration and shine a light on her supporters so everyone can draw their own conclusions.

[TexasTowelie]

119. Actually, I view your OP as divisive and confrontational

despite any other motivating factors you may claim. I'm certain that there are other members here that agree with me.

Don't bother replying to me since I'm trashing this thread.

[PTWB]

126. Well take your ball and run on home, then.

I’m sorry you view it as divisive. I know you won’t see this reply, but for anyone else who thinks it is divisive they ought to consider how divisive the whole scenario is!

We’ve got an ultra right wing conservative running against one of the most popular and vocal progressive candidates. This person was right of the Tea Party right up until she decided to run against AOC. We’ve got people who hate AOC so much that they don’t care about MCC’s call to abolish Medicare and social security. If that isn’t divisive I don’t know what is.

[Kaleva]

158. Ok. Just wanted to clarify what I thought you meant.

Have a good evening!

[mountain grammy]

35. Funny

I saw a post about AOC's opponent being Wall St. Out of 44 replies I could only see 2 and one had a MCC banner. Guess rest of the thread was between 2 people I had blocked.

I wish more of the Congress was like AOC, and Porter, and a few other women unafraid to stand up against our male dominated everything.

[PTWB]

37. I do too!

The reason AOC has so many detractors is because she is an outspoken woman of color who DARES to challenge the white patriarchy and those who support/benefit from it. Corporatists know they have to take her down now or they'll be dealing with her for decades.

People expect AOC to be subservient to Pelosi (who I think is a fabulous Democrat) but that would legitimize every position that AOC takes. It would render her ineffective and she would no longer be taken as sincere and genuine.

Our tent is plenty big enough for wonderful Democrats like AOC and Nancy Pelosi, even if they don't see eye to eye on every issue.

[NurseJackie]

39. No, I don't think that's it.

The reason AOC has so many detractors is because she is an outspoken woman of color who DARES to challenge the white patriarchy and those who support/benefit from it. Corporatists know they have to take her down now or they'll be dealing with her for decades.

No, I don't think that's it.

Guess again.

[PTWB]

41. Nope, that's exactly it.

[NurseJackie]

45. In the real world, nothing is as simple and "binary" as some people appear to believe.

But, I do understand how the simple monochrome world can be appealing to some who have difficulty with nuanced shades of gray. It's a very tribal way of thinking: us/them, black/white, for/against, good/evil. It doesn't take an excessive amount of intelligence or studying or analysis to arrive at conclusions when one is limited to just two choices.

[PTWB]

52. You're taking the binary point of view.

There are many shades of blue under our fabulous Democratic tent. It makes you wonder what good reason so-called Democrats might have for attacking AOC and supporting a right wing extremist instead.

[NurseJackie]

73. Nobody is attacking AOC? Her challenger is not a RW extremist.

It serves no good purpose to attack loyal Democrats by referring to them as "so-called Democrats". I haven't personally insulted you. Why is it necessary to insult me?

[PTWB]

111. Are you familiar with the concept of a wolf in sheep's clothing?

What do you call someone with close ties to Trump and his administration and who has recently advocated for the abolition of social security and Medicare? Some here are calling that a Democrat but I am not.

[Hortensis]

108. None of that is it on our side. Who on earth do you

imagine we are?

But you're right that our giant tent represents all America except those who oppose all America but themselves. Certainly, there's always room for her, in office or as a private citizen.

[mountain grammy]

121. I agree with everything you said

100%.

[Bettie]

40. Me too!

We need more like them!

[mountain grammy]

122. Yes we do, and in the Senate too!

[IronLionZion]

44. 538 thinks AOC will safely trounce this challenge from the right

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/todays-elections-in-kentucky-and-new-york-are-high-stakes-for-the-progressive-movement/

[jcgoldie]

62. "With the help of deep-pocketed business executives and more than a few Republicans..."

"...Caruso-Cabrera has raised an impressive $2.0 million in an effort to unseat the first-term incumbent."

About all you need to know about MCC isn't it?

[BlueMTexpat]

47. Thanks for the warning.

I can't vote in AOC's district.

But anyone here on DU who would support MCC over AOC should NOT be on DU!

[sheshe2]

53. What exactly does this mean?

If you see any of these people trying to weasel support for MCC here, confront them immediately so that other posters may see what is occurring. They will not respond with anything of substance when challenged. Mark their names down.

You want to make a list of those that do not agree with you? Not my district. Not my state. I can't vote for either of them. Yet you are calling for lists to be made of fellow DUers?

A list? See Senator McCarthy.

[PTWB]

54. Indeed.

Do you not try to remember who holds what positions? Folks who are going out of their way to support a radical, right wing extremists, despite being educated about her positions, and then claiming to be Democrats, ought not be able to hide from those positions down the road.

[Demsrule86]

55. No I don't take names...not many here do.

[PTWB]

56. Do you have data to support that claim?

If someone here supported Donald Trump or another right wing radical who advocated for the abolishment of social security or Medicare, would you make an effort to remember their handle?

[Demsrule86]

58. If someone supported Donald Trump they would be banned... I would remind you that during the primary

many accused Biden ( falsely) of attacks on Social Security. And to your question...I would alert on this person and if he/she somehow survived. I would put such a person on ignore. I don't hold grudges nor do I sit in judgement on other DU'ers...your post seems threatening really. And what makes you think you should sit in judgement on other DUer's . I don't live in the district and if I did would support AOC but that is not really the point.

[PTWB]

60. No one is "sitting in judgment"

But we all form opinions of other posters based on things they wrote and positions they hold. I don’t think you can compare attacks on Biden and attacks on MCC. MCC wrote her positions down in a book in 2010 and was hawking that book as recently as 2018. She lived in Trump tower until moving into the district in 2019 so she could run against AOC. The forward to her book was written by Larry Kudlow (extreme right winger in Trump administration) and she was publicly promoting that as recently as 2018.

These are all easily verifiable facts.

[Demsrule86]

67. Forming opinions about someone is a judgement... as for MCC...I am not in her district and would not

vote for her personally...but she is a Democrat and while you can disagree with those that like her...you have no right to hint that you are watching them and that their motives are nefarious.

[PTWB]

74. Why don't I have that right?

My first assumption is not that their motives are nefarious. That’s why I first attempt to educate folks about MCC’s positions. Once someone has been informed and I know they’ve got the facts about her, if they continue to support her, I know their motives are nefarious.

Do you support radical right wing conservatives running as Democrats?

[Demsrule86]

79. I don't agree with you...and you are talking at people not to people. There is a difference. You

don't know what folks motives are...you assume you know.

[PTWB]

81. The MCC supporters I've engaged with have had no interest in explaining their motives.

Despite being asked to do so many times.

[Hortensis]

118. You're still new. Harassing isn't the thing here either.

Asking one time courteously, as opposed to confrontationally, is normally fine of course. But when the answer is actually already clear enough, maybe not.

[PTWB]

120. What's the answer?

[R B Garr]

155. "You're still new".

[dware]

163. I see what you did there.

[dware]

141. The MCC supporters have no obligation to explain anything to you.

And like others here, I too, view this thread as a threat.

[PTWB]

143. No one has an obligation to do anything here. It is a forum.

If you feel threatened by the idea of shining a light on ultra-right wing conservative ideas and those who embrace them, I don't know what to say to you other than.. I'm sorry? The OP is definitely not threatening. It is informative.

[dware]

149. I'm not going to give this thread any more kicks,

it's stupid beyond belief.
Have a great night.

[PTWB]

150. You too, friend!

AOC looks like she's demolishing the Republican's attempt to sabotage her.

[Nature Man]

196. What you are doing,

it is working!

[R B Garr]

152. +1, It's actually very similar to the accusations against

Hillary supporters and it’s worded almost exactly similar. Bernie lost and now this overreaction.

It’s more that no one cared about this race until they saw what was being done to Engel and which Democrats were doing it, rather than it being about MCC.

[The Magistrate]

182. Very True, Ma'am

[sheshe2]

137. Thank you, Demsrule.

[sheshe2]

72. I have yet to see links that she is a "Radical RW Extremist."

I have only seen that term used over and over again. I have no horse in this race.

Yet here you are:

Do you not try to remember who holds what positions? Folks who are going out of their way to support a radical, right wing extremists, despite being educated about her positions, and then claiming to be Democrats, ought not be able to hide from those positions down the road.

You are accusing Democrats on this board of being false, fake Democrats. You have been here just over a month and you are accusing us of being Republicans and in another post intimated we are Russian. Fact is we are not "claiming" anything. We are Democrats.

[PTWB]

80. The links have been posted here over and over. I'm sorry you haven't seen them.

Feel free to look up her 2010 book, “You Know I'm Right: More Prosperity, Less Government.” Feel free to look up her Twitter where less than 2 years ago she was promoting that book. Her ties to the Trump administration are just as recent. She moved out of Trump tower in 2019, where she had lived for many years.

[sheshe2]

112. Good that you have so much time on your hands.

Time to research MCC. I don't. I am doing 24/7 home care for a soon to be 94 year old. Try it and see how much free time you have on your hands.

Living in Trump Tower does not a supporter make. Hell, I live in MA with a history of Repuke Governors, that does not make me a supporter. What am I suppose to do, move out of the State that I lived my whole life in?

[PTWB]

115. No, it doesn't make her supporter. But it's a piece of the puzzle.

2010 published book deifying Ronald Reagan, calls for abolition of social security and Medicare. Forward written by Larry Kudlow of Trump admin.
2018 still promoting said right wing book and ties to Kudlow.
2019 moved out of Trump tower.
2020 running in Democratic primary against one of Trump’s most fierce critics.

You’re free to draw your own conclusions. But I’ve gotta ask... do you think this passes the smell test? Do you think she woke up one morning last year after a decade of being an ultra right wing conservative to the right of the tea party and had an epiphany? Come on. We are smarter than this.

[sheshe2]

136. She changed parties in 2015.

That is all I know about her.

Other than your unlinked comments. I have no clue.

[SMC22307]

104. Sure you do. She's embraced the idea of abolishing SS and Medicare...

and I remember past posts aobut those very programs.

[sheshe2]

114. Glad you remember them.

I did not have the free time the past two years to read and post on DU. Try 24/7 homecare for a 94 year old and see how much time you have to research a person that frankly I don't give a hoot about. I may not like AOC, yet she is not my district or state for that matter...don't give a damn which Democrat wins as long as we keep the seat...and we will.

[SMC22307]

220. With AOC winning the primary, we'll keep the seat...

as well as someone who will fight to protect SS and Medicare. That's a win for you, your family, and all of us.

[questionseverything]

94. if someone posting supports a candidate that wants ss and medicare dissolved

I have a right to keep track of that person and take everything they font with a grain of salt

thinking aoc is too progressive is one thing, supporting a repub is another and anyone that supports dissolving ss and Medicare is a repub whether they admit it or not

[Hortensis]

131. :) Oh, that definition thing. Those who believe Ocasio-Cortez

is not nearly progressive enough for them (as people like me who evaluate by results of actions instead of rhetoric do) also belong on that list.

Btw, only those who register Republican are Republicans. That definition thing again, but this one really is yes-no simplicity.



"Hell is full of good meanings, but heaven is full of good works".

[Hav]

117. It sounds like a creepy version of see something, say something

Like in a Twilight zone version where naughty Dems have to wear special armbands and will be sent to re-education camps.

[PTWB]

129. Not at all.

Remember the games Putin was playing in 2016? Do you think it is any surprise that so-called Democrats are turning a blind eye to an ultra conservative who has recently advocated abolishing Medicare and social security?

We aren’t talking about a squabble between two progressive stances here. We are talking about legitimate election interference and sabotage.

[sheshe2]

142. umhm.

[George II]

174. Yes, and that's not Eugene McCarthy, it's Joseph McCarthy.

[beastie boy]

59. I wouldn't be any more concerned about "Democrats" supporting Caruso-Cabrera than I would "Democrats

supporting Bernie.

There are many parallels there. Both Caruso-Cabrera and Berne switched parties to run for office. Both have been supported by some suspect "Democrats" on DU. And while I generally welcome warnings of suspected trolling, I am not at all clear who was switching parties to sabotage whom. Besides, DU is a tiny universe unlikely to make any difference in the primaries, especially in local races.

Democracy is messy. It's supposed to be. I take heart in the fact that a Democrat will win this race. Remember, blue no matter who!

[PTWB]

64. I'm the opposite.

I welcome folks with progressive values joining our party. We have a great big fabulous blue tent!

MCC is a radical right wing, ultra conservative extremist who as recently as 2018 was promoting her book in which she advocated for the abolition of social security and Medicare. In 2019 she moved out of Trump tower. In 2018 she promoted that the forward of her right wing book was written by ultra-conservative Larry Kudlow of the Trump administration.

[beastie boy]

75. I guess this is where we differ. I welcome everyone to the party.

I am not holding it against Bernie advocating extra-parliamentary populist methods of governing just a year ago (AOC never went this far, BTW, and I have no issue with her being more progressive than, say, Biden). As long as MCC agrees, no matter her past, and despite being more conservative than, say, Biden, to adhere to and promote common Democratic values, she gets my benefit of doubt. Should MCC win (very unlikely) and then fail to represent her constituents as a Democrat, that is where and WHEN I draw the line. Not before.

[PTWB]

76. Do you believe MCC is genuine?

Less than 2 years ago she was promoting her book advocating abolishing social security and Medicaid, and ties to the Trump administration. One year ago she moved out of Trump tower and into AOC’s neighborhood to be eligible to mount her primary challenge.

Does the timing not give you reason to question her motives and the motives of her supporters?

[Hortensis]

133. Why did she advocate that? What does she propose instead?

Not being a voter in that district or a zealously involved outsider, I haven't felt the slightest inclination to read her book. But I confess you've made me slightly curious.

[PTWB]

134. She no longer advocates that.

She stopped advocating it around the time she decided to run in AOC's primary. Her reasoning was wanting smaller government and admiring Ronald Reagan's cuts to entitlement and social programs.

[Hortensis]

153. Thanks. Yes, Reagan, relict of run-of-the-mill elitist conservatism

from before the turn of the century, I did skim some of that.

My impression was that her positions have been rather fluid, depending on the situation and times. But she's apparently been at least mostly liberal socially for a long time; and ultimately, when the Republican Party went whacko far right she declined to go along. I'm glad I don't have to vote for one of them, but she is what she really is.

Btw, the Democratic house caucus has 27 blue dogs now out of 235 total. Perspective. Also, state reps tend to vote together, and NY averages blue. No big deal for NY or the nation or even the party if she's elected. The system won't let single reps do much harm, except potentially at home. And that'd be that district's problem to deal with.

[PTWB]

156. I'm skeptical of folks who claim to be socially liberal but fiscally conservative.

Fiscal conservatism to me means someone who wants to cut frivolous and wasteful spending. More often than not what they really mean is cut programs that help persons of color.

[Hortensis]

161. It's actually an extremely common mix, in women more

than men. People still tend to "average" more liberal or conservative and identify accordingly, but again more women are likely to lean left overall than men due to placing greater weight on social issues. She seems to have been pretty economically oriented, though.

[beastie boy]

139. Time will tell.

Once again, I must refer you to Bernie. I can list half a dozen of instances in which he was disruptive towards Democrats. Many blame him for Trump's victory, at least in part. One year ago he wasn't a Democrat. Four years ago he was. Six years ago he wasn't. How long can I hold it against him when he broke with his past and is now putting a genuine effort into electing a Democrat?

[sheshe2]

144. All this.

[mcar]

157. Good question

[Demsrule86]

68. +10000

[questionseverything]

97. that is like comparing apples and oranges

Bernie always supports democratic ideas even tho he identifies as independent

this caruso has extremely conservative ideas even for a repub

[SMC22307]

106. Bernie doesn't support abolishing SS and Medicare.

This isn't hard, eh?

[beastie boy]

151. Neither did Reagan.

Didn't make him a Democrat, did it?

The analogy between Bernie and MCC was raised in the context of the OP, which I found quite divisive. It was to illustrate that you can find as many faults with Bernie as you can with MCC. Yeah, Bernie's faults do not include abolishing Medicare and SS. But, they include not being a Democrat, an accusation raised in the OP.

I object to Democrats bashing Democrats. Anything wrong with that?

[Voltaire2]

219. Oh he hated social security but he knew you couldn't run on that.

[gab13by13]

61. Give me 100 AOC's any day,

PTWB, there is another reason that Dems hate AOC; Bernie.

I wonder who the Republican establishment is rooting for? If MCC beats AOC Republicans won't have to vote.

[Sapient Donkey]

63. Never heard of her before.

Where are these records at? Her wikipedia page is pretty sparse, and a quick google search doesn't seem to show much.


*Found this if anyone is interested for a start*
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/michelle-caruso-cabrera-aoc-democratic-primary-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-bronx-nyc-a9489086.html

[TheFarseer]

65. I haven't noticed that

Not saying it definitely isn’t happening but it’s mostly the usual suspects from the blame Bernie and AOC for everything that’s wrong in the world crowd.

[George II]

66. Now you've resorted to calling members here....

..."so-called Democrats"?

certain so-called Democrats

these so-called Democrats

And claiming that they're "weaseling support for MCC", who is a Democrat?

"these people trying to weasel support for MCC"

And calling for members to be "contronted"?

"confront them immediately"

And all but advising people to harass them?

"Mark their names down."

[betsuni]

69. It's extremely dramatic!

I wonder why, if it's so important, we need to keep only one eye open.

[George II]

87. I don't understand how people can get away with calling long-term LOYAL Democrats and DU members....

..."so-called Democrats". I'd like to see the Democratic "creds" of the accuser, but I'm sure we won't.

[betsuni]

93. It's hilarious!

BEWARE! MARK THIER NAMES DOWN. I love how "recent" has a new meaning, ten years ago is recent. And how somebody changing to a Democrat in 2015 has done so "specifically and for the sole purpose" of sabotaging AOC in 2020. Repeating things a million times must make them true!

[Hortensis]

145. Oh, my... I'd just read the title and first and last paragraphs.

I gotta admit, a plot hatched and set in motion while AOC was still an obscure bartender would have been pretty damned foresighted, even scarily so.

Now I'm warned.



“What's a cult? It just means not enough people to make a minority."~ Robert Altman

[betsuni]

187. It's the neoliberal corporatist establishment status quo Illuminati. Diabolical plots!

Of course they can see far into the future with ease. And as we know, they are TERRIFIED and will STOP AT NOTHING to defeat certain legislators. Roots of grass SPEAKING TRUTH TO POWER. This is a FACT.

[DenverJared]

71. Interesting isn't it?

[sheshe2]

77. That sums it up.

However their was a reference to an 'alerter' having a Russian address...or a 1600 Pennsylvania Ave address.

[George II]

82. That was a different post (same poster) This thread is riddled with attacks on Democrats....

....and Democratic candidates.

[PTWB]

91. This thread is not attacking any Democrats.

Because Democrats don’t support right wing conservatives who (until they decided to jump into a Democratic primary) very publicly advocated for abolishing social security, Medicare, and crowed about their ties to the Trump administration.

This thread is about exposing the alt-right’s attempt to sabotage a progressive Democrat.

I am sorry you feel attacked by this thread and the information it contains.

[George II]

92. Now you're calling Democrats "alt-right". What's next?

[PTWB]

96. No I'm not.

[George II]

101. You most certainly are, as well as calling Democrats "right wing conservatives".

[PTWB]

103. I'm definitely NOT calling Democrats right wing conservatives.

That doesn’t even make sense. I am shining a light on MCC’s very recent support for some very non-Democratic positions, her close ties to the Trump administration, and asking everyone here to keep those facts in mind when confronted by a so-called Democrat professing to support MCC despite our knowledge of her ultra right wing pedigree.

[George II]

105. Regardless of YOUR opinion of her, MCC at this moment is a DEMOCRAT, and you are blatantly....

....calling her a "right wing conservative".

And you're also calling good, solid, loyal, long-time Democrats "so-called Democrats".

[PTWB]

107. No I'm not.

My opinion is irrelevant. We are talking about facts.

[George II]

110. Yes, we ARE talking about facts (not hypotheticals)...

Are you calling the NYS Board of Elections liars?

Here are the candidates they list in the NY-14 DEMOCRATIC primary today:

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
Michelle Caruso-Cabrera
Badrun Khan
Sam Sloan

I would be careful about who are Democrats and who are not.

[PTWB]

113. Finally something we can agree on!!

You wrote:

I would be careful about who are Democrats and who are not.

This is exactly my point. Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump could run register and run as Democrats and I get the feeling some folks who claim to be Democrats would support them.

Here are the FACTS:

MCC wrote a book in 2010 that deified Ronald Reagan, called for the abolition of social security and Medicare, and had Larry Kudlow (current Trump admin MAGAt) write the forward for that book. She was promoting that book and Larry Kudlow as recently as 2018. She lived in the Trump until 2019.

You can call her and her supporters whatever you’d like. But anyone who cares about FACTS has already decided what to call them.

[Trumpocalypse]

124. Thanks

Having a D after your name doesn’t make someone a Democrat. It’s more than that. It is a set of shared beliefs and values. Unfortunately some are so blinded by their hatred of AOC they can’t see past that hatred and will defend someone who has never shared the ideals of the Democratic Party. It’s very sad and rather pathetic.

[George II]

127. Funny how a difference in ideology and policy is characterized, repeatedly, as "hatred".

[Trumpocalypse]

130. So you support ending Social Security

and Medicare? So if you support MCC, you support her ideology. If you don’t support her positions then it is hatred of AOC.

[George II]

132. That has nothing to do with my post. So why didn't you ask "why do you hate social security....

...and medicare?"

Quite the pivot.

[Trumpocalypse]

135. You said it was about ideology

MCC’s ideology is to end Medicare and Social Security. Do you support that position or not?

[George II]

138. You said it was about hatred.

[Trumpocalypse]

140. It is

If you support MCC because you share her ideology and want to end Social Security and Medicare as she does that is one thing. But if you don’t, then it’s just hatred of AOC.

[R B Garr]

109. ++, this reminds me of the bow down threads.

Everything is so familiar. Even the name calling.

[sheshe2]

146. Yep.

[melman]

123. This thread has a lot of recs

94 and counting

Meanwhile the "AOC finally accepts debate" thread has six.

[George II]

125. What does that prove?

[melman]

128. It proves a lot of people here agree with what it says.

[George II]

147. No it doesn't.

[melman]

148. Whatever

Did you hear the great news? AOC won big!

[George II]

160. Did you vote for her?

[melman]

162. .

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=13614182

[George II]

164. A double double link link. So, did you vote for her?

[melman]

166. .

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=13615846

[George II]

167. Ah, the master of the " . " subject line. Well done. Did you vote for her?

[melman]

168. It's none of your business where I live or how I vote

[George II]

169. I didn't ask you where you lived, did I? Did you vote for her?

[melman]

170. I told you it's none of your business

So stop asking.

[George II]

172. Well, to paraphrase you (no, I don't catalog and cross reference your posts)....

....as you asked me recently, "why are you so interested if you don't live there?"

So, did you vote for her? Simple question - yes or no.

[sheshe2]

175. ...

[George II]

177. Bazinga! Sure beats living in a basement all my life, doesn't it?

[sheshe2]

178. ...

[melman]

180. I never asked you that

Paraphrased or not.

[George II]

193. Yes you did, more than once in fact.

[NurseJackie]

194. Looks like a nerve has been struck!

(Bazinga!)

[melman]

208. No I didn't

That's why you can't find it. And it's a different question anyway. Ask me that one and I just might answer.

Go ahead. Ask.

[George II]

176. I guess I learned a lot from your understudy, or..........

[denbot]

190. Your concern and constant AOC bashing has been widely noted..

[Drunken Irishman]

70. Maybe it's less support for MCC and more a disappointment in AOC.

I don't support MCC.

But I have been disappointed with a lot of what AOC has done in her attacks against decent Democrats, including our nominee for president.

[SMC22307]

95. Abolish Medicare and Social Security? FUCK THAT.

No one on this board should support the destruction of the social safety net -- Democratic signature programs.

[PTWB]

99. MCC was promoting those ideas less than two years aho

But now she claims to not hold those views anymore. She also has (very recent) ties to Trump and his administration.

[SMC22307]

102. And Democrats are falling for it? Like dumbasses fall for Trump's bullshit?

God help us.

[democrattotheend]

116. I really hope not

It would be a huge blow to the progressive movement if AOC goes down. I'm not in her district but I'm nervously awaiting the results from her primary. I care more about her winning her primary than I do about the challenger to Elliot Engel, who really doesn't seem like such a DINO to be deserving of a primary challenge. I'm also worried about the primary to replace Jose Serrano, where a Trump-supporting homophobic city council member may win the primary for the bluest district in the country because there are so many progressive candidates dividing the vote.

[Hortensis]

189. Lol, well, we know god's not going to help us.

If we each don't help ourselves, we're lost. Personal choice would be required to believe that Democrats would support abolishing SS and MC. Why anyone would, who knows, yet it happens.

[wellst0nev0ter]

154. Bookmarking this thread

just to remind me whose opinion to ignore from now on

[Tarc]

159. Caruso-Cabrera did make it a close race, though

MICHELLE CARUSO-CABRERA DEM 18.96 % 5,482
ALEXANDRIA OCASIO-CORTEZ DEM 69.75 % 20,166

- https://nyenr.elections.ny.gov/

Oh, wait, actually...she got fucking obliterated.

[Autumn]

165. How delightful!

[SharonClark]

171. I haven't noticed any pro-MCC posts here.

It may be hard for you to take names.

[PTWB]

173. Really? You must not have been looking too hard.

There have been quite a few over the last week in half a dozen threads.

[The Magistrate]

183. This Thread Of Yours, Sir, Deserves Some Sort Of Award

You have managed a peculiar mix of silliness and viciousness that is a wonder to behold, pressed it with an energetic idiocy that leaves a spectator breathless, and covered yourself with something quite other than glory....

[PTWB]

184. What do you take issue with specifically?

[The Magistrate]

185. A Gem Is Best Viewed Whole, Sir, Not Facet By Facet

Accept the plaudit to your achievement, and move on --- that would be my advice.

Anyway, after I read 'The Ferret's' piece, I have a date with the dinner dishes, and then a shower. No time for you at all, sorry.

[PTWB]

186. Have a fine evening.

I was curious what you’d come up. I’m happy to say you were able to be exactly as specific as I expected you to be.

[The Magistrate]

191. Trolling Is A Time-Sink, Dear

The object is to provoke a disproportionate reaction, whether in emotion or effort. You cannot provoke an emotional reaction from me: you do not matter to me in the slightest, being just one more source of minor amusements. It is not my practice to pay up a few paragraphs in response to a short textbook bit that cannot have taken you more than half a minute to type out: I always have better use for a quarter hour or so. You are only getting this because at the moment a bit of distraction from stirring a sauce I really ought to leave untouched is useful.

[PTWB]

197. Hmmm

That is a lengthy paragraph just to say you (still) couldn't come up with anything specific. I’m delighted you somehow found the time to say that much.

[The Magistrate]

198. You're Awfully Cute First Thing In The Morning, Dear

And if you thought that was a lengthy paragraph, you haven't a clue....

[PTWB]

201. It was very long when the following sentence would have been sufficient:

“I have no specifics to provide.”

You’re the one who claimed to be too busy to participate!

[The Magistrate]

203. So You Go In The 'Haven't a Clue' Slot, Dear

Honestly, I'm just not that into you, and likely never will be....

[PTWB]

204. Bless your heart!

I don’t know who you are but I was genuinely curious what you’d come up with after your initial post in this thread. That you could not provide a specific occurrence to support your initial claims was disappointing but expected.

[The Magistrate]

205. Aww, That's So Sweet

But it will not do you any good....

"If you put his brain on the head of a pin, it could roll about like a pea on an eight lane highway."

[PTWB]

210. Sometimes it can be amusing to engage in even the most futile of exercises.

One of my favorite forum pastimes is watching folks squirm when they're unable to support claims they make in their post.

[The Magistrate]

211. One Day, You May Realize How Ridiculous You Are Making Yourself Look

Evidently this is not that day....

[R B Garr]

212. Exactly! I was lied about and then ordered to jump through hoops to refute the lies

and kiss the ring. It was beyond ridiculous. Your description is very kind.

[The Magistrate]

213. Well, Ma'am, At Least Anybody Who Makes It All The Way Down Gets A Nice Chaser

What kitty doesn't like batting at a butterfly?

[PTWB]

214. I'm just tickled!

I’ve never seen so much projection from someone who has so little to say.

How is it you’ve been unable to come up with a single sentence supporting your initial post? Amazing!

[The Magistrate]

217. If You Want To Keep Playing, Dear, It Will Have To Be With Yourself

[PTWB]

218. I'm surprised you hung on this long.

How many times and how many different ways can someone say nothing at all?

Imagine if you’d put this much energy into coming up with something to support your initial post.

[betsuni]

192. I agree, and here is a suitable soundtrack:

[The Magistrate]

199. That Was Very Nice, Ma'am

I never heard that before.

[Gothmog]

200. Great post

How are you doing?

[The Magistrate]

202. Well Enough, Sir

The sauce came out nice. A marinara in case a new clam sauce does not appeal to everyone in the household.

Grandson got his driver's license, so transport at need is at the ready.

Daughter gave birth to our third granddaughter, we have been able to visit. It was a bit interesting navigating across the city, with curfew in place and most entries to downtown closed. That has all eased up, of course.

[Gothmog]

206. Great

I have a training session tonight for voter protection for the July primary runoff. We are not doing formal war rooms but will be working in virtual war rooms. It will be interesting. There will be no real issues for the primary run off but this is a test run for November

I just saw that the Texas GOP is holding their state conventions in person in Houston I July and that these idiots will not be social distancing and will probably not be wearing masks

Link to tweet

The Texas Democratic party virtual convention came off with problems. I ended up on the Rules Committee again and had a three + hour zoom meeting

[The Magistrate]

207. Thank You For Your Efforts, Sir

I dream of a blue Texas.

[mcar]

209. Mazel tov on the new granddaughter, Magistrate

[The Magistrate]

215. Thank You, Ma'am

We were a touch worried about the prospects when the plague hit, but things were well managed in Illinois and Chicago, and they could keep the obstetrics ward open for its dedicated purpose.