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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAny news on how voting in KY, specifically Louisville, went today. 600K in one polling place?
soothsayer
(38,601 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)I have no sympathy for those people. This was not a case of voter suppression. People had plenty of time to vote.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,318 posts)It absolutely is voter suppression.
This may come as surprise to you, but not everyone follows this stuff 24/7. They know when the primary is held and show up expecting to be able to vote. Its not an unreasonable expectation.
Repigs count on that fact to suppress the vote. The question is why are you siding with repigs?
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)All a person had to do was ask for a mail-in ballot and one would have been sent, no reason needed for the reguest other than a person was a registered voter and wanted to vote by mail.
Second, the Kentuckian pointed out that there was ONE MONTH of in person early voting before Election Day.
It is not voter suppression and we need to stop throwing that around in cases like this one. People just chose to wait until the last minute when they absolutely didn't need to do that to cast their vote.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,318 posts)Repigs close polling places for one reason and one reason only. They are doing it all over the country.
And dont get me started on mail in ballots in red states. You know what happens to those yes?
Im in a blue state and I refuse to use mail it ballots. Too many opportunities to get tossed.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)One of the people that sued to open more polling places on Election Day was a republican, in fact, he was a principal on the lawsuit.
I repeat, anyone that got caught up in today's situation have only themselves to blame. I hope they do better in November and get their vote in early.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,318 posts)And now repigs are going wild with the gutting of The Voting Rights Act.
These tactic are aimed at elderly and first time voters. They are not meant to block every vote but they put their thumb on the scale.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)onenote
(42,660 posts)Because people don't pay attention?
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,318 posts)... the volume. Clearly that didnt happen. You cant tell people they can do either or and then SURPRISE! We closed 95% of the polling stations!
For fucks sake we are not talking about concert tickets.
Wanderlust988
(509 posts)Gov. Beshear wanted to avoid a corona outbreak. He and the SoS worked TOGETHER on a plan. The legislature was not involved. Our great governor agreed to this plan and it's worked out pretty good. There was NO suppression. The polls have ALWAYS closed at 6pm in KY. If you can't make it to the polls, then that's your problem. They made it easy to get a ballet...mailed for free. If you don't like mail, you can vote in-person early. The governor made it simple to vote. THIS IS NOT SUPPRESSION!!! We are not Georgia or Wisconsin.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)The person said that to in person early vote, a person had to make an appointment.
I know in my red county in Florida, early voting opens 15 days before Election Day and we can vote at the elections complex or about eight other places in the county, from 8am to 8pm. We just walk in, an ID is needed and Driver's license is fine for that. In a recent local election, I voted by mail. I got my ballot a full 2 months before Election Day. In my state, the primary is in August (the presidential was in March). People should have the November ballot by late September - at that point nothing changes, people should already know who they are voting for, get the ballot filled out, make sure that all instructions are met and put it in the mail - it isn't complicated. We should have monitors at the election offices to insure that ballots are properly handled there, if we don't then that is our fault.
I am really tired as hell of people crying voter suppression when it didn't happen, it detracts from our efforts to eliminate it where it does happen.
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SlogginThroughIt
(1,977 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)People need to learn to use their heads.
SlogginThroughIt
(1,977 posts)And they are not required to do so. Personally I prefer to vote in person. Secondly there may be people that moved without enough time to get the mail in ballot. Or they forgot to get it. Or were ignorant of it. It doesnt fucking matter. They should be able to vote and one damn polling station for 600k+ people and closing it down when people were in line is absofuckinglutely ridiculous!
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)In my red county, the registrar signed me up for mail-in voting at my request. But in October, when in person early voting starts, I plan to wear a mask, gloves, and vote in person at one of the early voting locations in my county.
There is no reason for those people to cry voter suppression, they had plenty of opportunity to cast their vote.
SlogginThroughIt
(1,977 posts)It is another to force people to do it when they dont have to and the say too bad so sad when they arent allowed to vote.
I guess I am done with this thread. Maybe some people having voted in person their whole lives werent sure about mail in voting. But you are so fuck those people... Right?
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)before today.
SlogginThroughIt
(1,977 posts)And had the polls closing while people are in line is not cool. No matter how ling ago you coukd get a mail in ballot. It is not right.
questionseverything
(9,646 posts)many people that received absentee ballots received a ballot for the wrong party
to vote early you had to make an appointment
the election authorities said, election day voting would be available so if they can not provide that or will not provide it,that is a denial of service to the taxpayer
2 hour waits is not acceptable and closing when people were literally running toward the doors is not acceptable
closing the 1 polling place that was to serve over 600,000 registered voters at 6 pm is voter suppression all by itself...they should always be open until at least 8 pm
so do you think hungry people who need food assistance should of just used their heads?
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)questionseverything
(9,646 posts)https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/kentucky-braces-for-possible-voting-problems-in-tuesdays-primary-amid-signs-of-high-turnout/2
there are mother jones articles too but I don't have time to find the link for you
https://wfpl.org/primary-election-live-blog/
anyone can pretend to live anywhere, everything I said, I read from a reliable sources
just because one citizen didn't have trouble doesn't mean it worked well for the other hundreds of thousands of voters, the no excuse voting by mail was an improvement and today actually went better than I thought it would but
PEOPLE WERE DISENFRANCHISED AND WE NEED TO REALIZE THAT AND STRIVE TO DO BETTER
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)are ok with how things went.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Smashing the old one.
Hard to claim suppression when that happens.
My sister is a good democrat in Lexington. Talked to her about it Sunday night. She did not think there was suppression. If fact, she thinks voting was easier than ever. In Lexington they are voting at the University of Kentucky Football stadium with tons of voting places. And they had manageable lines today. But the main thing is they made voting by mail very easy.
According to my sister they were providing transportation but I have not confirmed that any other way.
babylonsister
(171,044 posts)questionseverything
(9,646 posts)just because the suppression wasn't as bad this time as other times doesn't mean it is not suppression
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)I guess that is just stuck in people's minds and logic won't clear that.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Another thing no one wants to acknowledge is the huge shortage of poll workers. Most of whom are older. They do not have enough workers to open all the polling places.
My sister is political active and lived in Lexington. She is not concerned. Ill trust her more than strangers on DU.
And the fact Kentucky set a primary voting record makes yelling suppression weak sauce. Oh, and they voted safely. They wisely had the in person voting in huge facilities that allowed distancing.
SlogginThroughIt
(1,977 posts)GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)We hold up Oregon and Washington for their mail in voting. Kentucky just made it easier than ever. Actually encouraged it to keep people safe. And set a primary voting record crushing the old one.
But suppression because a few places had lines part of the day. Hell, I early voted in Florida in 16 and had to wait 45 minutes.
Ill trust the good democrat I know who lives in Kentucky.
SlogginThroughIt
(1,977 posts)GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Voter suppression happens at all phases of the process starting with the crazy idea of registration.
Kentucky does suppress the vote. But trying to keep voters safe they made voting easier than it ever was. The worse thing the bigger cities could have done is attempt to open more voting sites than they had workers to staff.
Lexington and Louisville are democratic cities and the governor is a good democrat.
We will be luck if it this easy in November. If so democrats will have a good night. But I worry the legislature, after seeing the results today will try to change the system.
Have a nice evening.
Alex4Martinez
(2,193 posts)Good grief!
We can and should have BOTH: vote by mail and lots of open in-person polls.
Whatever goodness there might be in expanding voting by mail, why cut voting locations so drastically in just one step?