Microsoft sucks

[nitpicker]

Because they outsourced the tech support to India.

Who then used their tech knowledge to mess up computers

And then charge arms and legs for restoration.

Bill Gates shouldn't have to gouge the more-mature (I'm sure he's getting a cut).

But is Apple any better?

[unc70]

1. In my professional opinion, Apple is better

[USALiberal]

2. LOL nt

[BootinUp]

5. lol. maybe by a wince. nt

[unc70]

6. I have 50+ years in the industry

It is not a laughing matter. Both technically and as a business partner, Apple is far better. IMNSHO.

[USALiberal]

10. Same here, Cobol with punch cards to ipad apps with Xcode. Apple fan boys crack me up. nt

[unc70]

16. Hardly a fan boy

Just find Apple more reliable and more secure than Microsoft. My all time favorite system is VAX and Alpha VMS/OpenVMS.

Probably need a DU group for old timers to swap stories. I still have about 50 systems in storage going back to the late 50s, nearly all still working.

[MurrayDelph]

19. But much of Windows

we "inspired" by VMS (Says the former DECice who taught VMS).

[unc70]

26. Dave Cutler would certainly imply such

The similarities were superficial between VMS and Windows NT. Its design group was led by Cutler. Inspired by VMS is a generous attribution. The severe limits in the Intel hardware model and the requirements for compatibility with other Windows systems meant that security would always be flawed.

[Polybius]

21. I've got more than that, but yours are older

My oldest is the Fairchild Channel F video game system from 1976. Oldest computer is an Atari 800XL.

[DonaldsRump]

3. Are you actually saying that because someone is Indian they "mess up" computers? n/t

[Massacure]

8. India has a lot of IT talent

I've seen a fair share of duds, both American and Indian. Overall though, the Indian staff I've had to work with are usually pretty competent technically. It's the lack of knowledge around how our company's particular business processes that usually get projects into trouble.

[Silent3]

4. Bill Gates hasn't been behind the day-to-day operation of Microsoft since 2006

He's had some involvement since then, but he even left the board earlier this year.

I'm a Mac fan myself (typing on a new MacBook Pro right now), but Microsoft isn't all bad. As a software engineer, I love their open-source TypeScript language, which for me is a huge improvement over working directly in JavaScript (the language for which TypeScript is a superset, and which is the output generated by compiling TypeScript).

[nsd]

7. What are you talking about?

This post makes no sense.

[tinrobot]

9. Bill Gates left Microsoft as CEO in 2006

He's not even on the board anymore.

But I guess it's all his fault

[tulipsandroses]

11. Yes,I bought a Mac a few years ago and I will never buy a windows pc ever again

I've had no issues with my Mac since I bought it 4 yrs ago. I replaced my son's Mac as a Christmas gift last year. He got the old one when he first went to college in 2001. It was actually still working. He dropped it so many times though that it was in pieces but still working. LOL

I don't know how much Apple charges, Probably just as much as fixing a windows PC What I have found though, is my Mac does not need anywhere near the kind of service that my old laptops needed. I had constant issues with windows PCs.

I have never had an issue with mine. Other than when I don't do the updates. Then at some point it does something weird and freezes and won't let me do anything until I do the updates and then all is well. I am bad at not doing updates so that's not the fault of the laptop, I always hit later when I get the popups for updates.

And I think its a silly thing to say Indians mess up PCs.
My issue with PCs is not the help. Its that I think the Mac OS system is better - for personal use.
For work. I do prefer a windows system.

[Loki Liesmith]

12. Bill Gates?

What’s he got to do with Microsoft anymore?

[ItsjustMe]

13. Apple is far worse

Apple fan boys are like Trump supporters In every way.

Check out this you tube channel

Louis Rossmann repairs Apple products, he knows them better than most people.

[Silent3]

27. Whoa there!

I'm a Mac fan, but not Trump supporter like in any way, shape, or form.

That's a fucking nasty generalization to throw around there, buddy.

[ItsjustMe]

30. It's not a generalization, It's a fact.

The "behavior" of a Trump supporter and Apple fanboy are Identical.

Trump supporter: Trump can do no wrong.

Apple fanboy: Apple can do no wrong.

[Silent3]

31. It doesn't fit me.

I like Macs better than PCs. I don't, however, think Apple can do no wrong.

And at the risk of getting this post deleted, or even a temporary ban, fuck you.

The kind of behavior that is far, far more like a Trump supporter is making overly broad generalizations, and then pompously, snidely declaring them facts.

[ItsjustMe]

32. Congratulations

You just proved my point.

[Silent3]

33. You even seem to have a Trump-like concept of what constitutes "proof". n/t

[obnoxiousdrunk]

14. The CEO of

Microsoft is an Indian.

[customerserviceguy]

15. I feel your pain

Back in geek school, I was a Microsoft fan for life. But their recent piss-poor performance has me seriously rethinking them.

I won't do Apple, they support terrorists.

[Elwood P Dowd]

17. Apple CEO Tim Cook supports Dems, raised money for Obama, raised money

for Hillary. He is also gay and supports gay rights. Al Gore has been on their board for years.

[customerserviceguy]

20. Google up

"Pensacola terrorist Apple" and "San Bernardino terrorist Apple" and you'll see why I feel the way I do about Apple.

[ItsjustMe]

23. Google up

Apple and the right to repair act.

https://www.macrumors.com/2019/04/30/apple-right-to-repair-consumer-harm/

Apple is fighting Right to Repair initiatives in California by telling lawmakers that consumers could hurt themselves attempting to repair their own devices, reports Motherboard.

Over the course of the last few weeks, an Apple representative and a lobbyist for ComTIA, a trade organization representing major tech companies, have been meeting with legislators in California with the aim of killing right to repair legislation that would make it easier for customers to repair their own electronics.

[customerserviceguy]

24. What does that have to do

with Apple refusing to help the FBI unlock a dead terrorist's phone, with the aim of preventing further terror? I'm certainly not advocating for ordinary users fiddling with their phones, but I don't see why dead foreign terrorists have privacy rights that are greater than innocent American citizens' rights to be safe from terrorism.

To make matters worse, after the FBI paid a million dollars to get into the San Bernardino terrorist's phone, Apple demanded that the feds provide them with information on how it was done.

You may be OK with Apple's stance on this, I'm not.

[Elwood P Dowd]

28. You wanted Apple to help the FBI establish a precident that could lead to future privacy issues

in regards to the iPhone? Many of our own Dem congress people were concerned about that slippery slope and were on Apple's side. I trust Apple with Tim Cook and Al Gore when it comes to privacy issues a helluva' more than I trust the fucking FBI.

[customerserviceguy]

41. No, I don't want Apple

spilling secrets that any two-bit hacker could use, but I do want them to help out legitimate law enforcement agencies in terror matters. Especially when the knowledge could save the lives of innocent people that would be killed by other members of a terror network.

Maybe you think of them as some sort of collateral damage, I don't.

[BannonsLiver]

18. This rant feels so mid 90s

Really took me back to the old apple v Microsoft days. Very nostalgic.

[ItsjustMe]

22. Microsoft saved Apple in the 90s

Steve Jobs and Bill Gates’ rivalrous friendship is the stuff of tech lore. The most poignant moment of that fraught relationship happened 20 years ago. In August of 1997, Gates stepped in and saved Apple, which, at the time, was on the brink of bankruptcy.

“Bill, thank you. The world’s a better place,” Jobs told Gates after the Microsoft exec agreed to make a $150 million investment in Apple.


https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/29/steve-jobs-and-bill-gates-what-happened-when-microsoft-saved-apple.html

[BannonsLiver]

25. Ah the old days

Really takes me back. Thanks again.

[Alex4Martinez]

29. I'm required to use Microsoft Teams instead of Zoom. Fucking hate Microsoft.

It couldn't be worse at what it does.

Zoom, Webex, Google Hangouts are all user friendly ways to video conference.

Teams is filled with suck.

[Skittles]

34. OMG MT SUCKS

WTF

[Alex4Martinez]

35. I know, right?

I had to have someone in the main office in another state make changes before a dial in number would be included in meetings I create, and another call to make some other tweak to get it to work right.
It's just typical MS crap that makes you play their game their way.

If not for the fact that the major client wants to use it, I'd be on Zoom for everything.

[Skittles]

40. the format drives me nuts

and sometime I cannot get in and its indicates it is "having issues" - say WHAT?

[smirkymonkey]

37. Our company is moving everything over to Teams as well.

I hate it. We can still use WebEx, but we can't use Zoom, so if a customer sends us a Zoom invite, we have to counter it with either a Teams or WebEx invite (for security's sake, supposedly).

Even our IM is now on Teams, which I can't stand either.

[Alex4Martinez]

38. This is also why I still use Office 2011 instead of newer Word, Excel, etc.

Their products force you to use their other products.

Word wants to autosave to their cloud, not iCloud.

Teams wants you to use their chat, not your own, etc.

That tactic is tiresome, probably good for Google's business-- most schools use Google Docs, Sheets, and Slides.

[Xolodno]

36. Uhm....yeah.....

Granted the Apple operating system is a lot more sound than Microsoft (hey...that's easy, clone of the Quick and Dirty operating system). But with that said, when I used to build my own gaming desktops....I had to use Microsoft and most cool games weren't on the Apple platform. And over time, due to familiarity....well...

And then there is that, Apple costs a shit load more...not just Microsoft, but Android as well. And Apple gives you less!

As for Bill Gates, he was a CEO...and yes he was an asshole.....but compared to Jobs.....Uhm Yeah.

But, I am thankful for Apple on one thing. I took Graphic Arts (printing) ROP back in High School...Apple computers were given fairly cheaply to schools and thus, used primarily....just not the general public. So I learned to use Apple. When I went to college, always a massive line for the Microsoft computers in the computer lab. The Apple computers, they had the other half, and just a few people at them. So I jumped right in and pulled many all nighters. After my second year, buddy of mine helped me build my own PC, which of course was Microsoft, small learning curve, but was right into it in no time. And didn't need Apple anymore.

[Betty88]

39. Apples hardware sucks

I can open up and fix almost anything on my windows PC and some things on my laptop. I can update my PC anytime I want. Add ram, change the drive, add a drive, Oh and I have ports, lovely handy useful ports. So many ports and I can add more if I want.

Put wheels on it, not a $600 upgrade.

Really I think its a price thing with me. They just cost to much money for what you get. And what the hell, a monitor that does not come with a stand?