600 NYPD Police Officers Consider Leaving the Force

[mfcorey1]

Tuesday, June 23, 2020

With the violent attacks directed at the US police officers, Former New York City Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik claimed as much as 600 NYPD officers have considered leaving the force.

In an interview on Fox News’s “Justice with Judge Jeanine,” the retired police commissioner said that more than 300 NYPD officers had been injured during the violent riots, as protesters ransacked, burned, and looted several stores and buildings in the Manhattan and Brooklyn neighborhood. “Well, you’ve had over 300—I think about 320—that have been injured, I think some in the hospital,’” Kerik said.

The former commissioner believed that adding in the injuries to the talks of New York City Mayor Bill De Blasio’s promise to cut down the police department’s $6 billion budget, made it difficult for the police force. In fact, as much as 600 officers are planning to either resign or retire. “And the thing that scares me … I’m hearing close to 600 cops have either put in their papers or they’re talking to the [NYPD] about resigning or retiring,” Kerik continued.

https://www.powerbrokermagazine.com/news,600-nypd-police-officers-consider-leaving-the-force

[boston bean]

1. Good. Anyone threatening this is the problem. Leave and

don’t let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya.

[Ohio Joe]

29. Correct...

Fuck 'em, let them go.

[sunonmars]

2. Maybe because they know their days of being bad cops with no accountability are over?

People in jobs that suddenly come under scrutiny usually run because they know they are about to be found out.

[Hortensis]

3. Okay. I'd prefer the bad ones were kicked out to make it hard

for other municipalities to hire them, but whatever. The rest I wish well in new lines of work or retirement, and of course later on they can reapply if they wish.

[octoberlib]

4. Cops are the biggest snowflakes in America.

[JI7]

5. Good Riddance , And Kerik is a Criminal THUG

[underpants]

8. Bernie Kerik!!!!

[GoCubsGo]

14. The "criminal" part is why I don't believe him.

That, and the fact that he ran to The Propaganda Chanel to make this claim.

[dalton99a]

32. +1

[TristanIsolde]

6. Thats what I call a good start

[Dream Girl]

7. They won't. How else will they be able to make that kind of money with only a high school

Diploma. Plus generous benefits, great pension, etc.

[lapucelle]

9. You need an associate's degree (60 credits) or military service to be a cop in the NYPD.

https://www1.nyc.gov/site/nypd/careers/police-officers/po-hiring.page

[Sanity Claws]

23. Pay is awfully good for an Associate's degree

In addition to starting pay, they get overtime and full benefits. Benefits include a defined pension benefit plan. Those things are very rare these days.

[lapucelle]

27. $42,500. I have no problem with blue collar workers

making a decent wage and having benefits.

Many federal, state, and municipal civil servants have defined benefit plans, as do many union members.

[greenjar_01]

30. That's starting, no?

I thought average NYPD salary was near $70,000, and median was mid-70s.

Why use the starting rookie salary here?

[lapucelle]

55. Because my response was to someone talking about starting pay.

[greenjar_01]

56. Fair enough. Average pay's around $70,000 though

[lapucelle]

59. Indeed it is, and there are opportunities for advancement, but

the first few years you don't make a lot of money. Even $75,000 doesn't go that far in the NY metro area where the cost of living is high.

NYPD is generally a good job, but it's certainly not for everyone.

I think more guidance counselors should inform high school kids about civil service opportunities. At least here in NYS, state, county, and municipal jobs are still good union jobs.

As for Kerik...he's a criminal. I'd heard that some part of of his arrest or post-conviction processing actually took place at the prison named for him, but I'm not sure if that's true. He's as dirty as they come.

[Sanity Claws]

31. I have no problems with blue collar workers making a living wage

I was just pointing out that the pay is comparatively good for someone with just an associate's degree.

[Mosby]

46. Nypd earnings

1 in 6 uniformed members of the NYPD are Detectives. A Detective’s (3rd Grade) average earning is
$88,000* (Promotion to Detective is not based on a promotional exam, it’s based on merit)

1 in 7 uniformed members of the NYPD are Sergeants. A Sergeant’s average earning is $91,000*

1 in 20 uniformed members of the NYPD are Lieutenants. A Lieutenant’s average earning is $105,000*

*These salaries include base salary, average overtime and night shift differential, holiday pay, and uniform allowance. The above ranks do enjoy the same additional benefits described above.



After 20 years of service, a retired Police Officer will receive:

Estimated earnings of $46,000 per year, comprised of 50 % of salary, longevity, night shift differential, overtime and an annual $12,000 payment from a Variable Supplement Fund.

- A retired Police Officer could receive approximately $1.75 million when retired assuming a life expectancy of 80 years. This figure is based on the age of appointment of 22 and the age of retirement of 42.

- The dollar amount of $1.75 million is estimated on 2003 salaries and is not adjusted for inflation or for future raises.

- This dollar amount will be higher for uniformed members that retire above the rank of Police Officer.
Full health benefits

Annuity Fund and Deferred Compensation Plan.

- The amount of the funds depends on the market value of the portfolio that the officer has chosen while active.

[lapucelle]

54. White collar cops make more money than the blue collar workers

they supervise.

NYPD rank and file positions are good jobs with good benefits and a good pension.

[Polybius]

43. If HS was all you needed, I would have been NYPD 20 years ago

I'm not cut out for collage.

[Skidmore]

10. Retirement?

These would be part of Giuliani's and Kerik's army. Let them go.

[Marrah_Goodman]

11. They should quit then

[GoCubsGo]

12. I call bullshit.

Consider the source: Scumbag felon Kerik on Fox News with Drunky McPirro. Hmmmmmm... I'm willing to bet that this is a massive exaggeration, and meant to throw some red meat to the braindead cult. Sorry. Not buying it.

[backscatter712]

48. B-b-but I heard it on FOX News, so it must be true!

[ProfessorGAC]

63. 600 Said "They Were Thinking About It"

He extrapolates to 600 quitting!
Cops close to retirement in a force of more than 38,000?
Start at 20, retire at 60. Somewhere around 2% retire every year. (Assumption is force grew over their 40 years, so I'm using 2% instead of 2.5%)
So, 760 retire every year.
They replace them every year!!! So, they hire another 300 this year and 300 next.
600 doesn't seem like that big a deal.

[JHB]

13. The NYPD has over 35,000 officers. How many retire/leave in any given year?

What are the odds that most of the 600, if they do leave, would have left anyway?

[mercuryblues]

15. good point

[Maeve]

16. That's the figure that needs to be seen

600 sounds like a large number--but context is key.

[Me.]

19. Not When You Realize

there are 36,000 NYPD officers. 600 is a drop in the bucket, the force is way too large.

[Maeve]

22. I have no doubt it's too large

and too militarized. We're in agreement here that the number he's citing sounds bad because he's not speaking in context and just trying to scare people (it's what he does)

[Luz]

21. Exactly, and how many joined this year?

[brooklynite]

17. Well, if Ex-convict Bernie Kerik says so....

[handmade34]

18. ...

[Jarqui]

20. What is being asked of them that is so difficult?

For starters:
Don't be a racist - treat everyone fairly and the same while upholding the law
Don't use excessive force:
ie Stop shooting unarmed black kids in the back?
Stop choking black people to death?
etc

Cell phone and security along with body cam videos will be used to hold an officer to account that he/she does those things.

If those are the things making officers wanting to quit, good riddance. They shouldn't be o police officer in the first place.

I say that with police officers in my family going back generations - who managed to uphold the law with fairness for all and not killing or hurting anyone badly.

[procon]

24. Replace them with mental health workers,

family counselors, conflict negotiators, and social workers.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

25. are these the good cops or the bad cops

[Blue_true]

36. My guess? All bad ones. They know that their days of harming citizens are over. nt

[uponit7771]

39. There are too many bad cops ALLOWED in pds

[bullwinkle428]

26. "The job just isn't fun anymore, since they took away my choke-hold!"

[greenjar_01]

28. Oh no...

[Blue_true]

33. Let them leave. People better suited for police work can be hired. nt

[RobinA]

50. In This Environment?

I can't imagine being able to recruit under these conditions. Personally, I'm 62 and I'd be beating the path to the door if I were a cop. I've been a social worker and now work in mental health. Both fields you put up with a lot of hate and second guessing, but nothing compared to what police are dealing with now. It's very wearing on a person and makes going to work each day rather difficult. At some point, fighting the good fight just starts to seem like a sucker's game.

[Blue_true]

60. The problem with your analysis is that as a body, police officers have not fought

the good fight. They have been part of the problem. Until everyone of them both learn and practice that an unarmed suspect is not a treat when they have control of that person, they are going to draw hate and disrespect. Anyone that doesn't question why a police officer feels the need to have a knee on the neck of a handcuffed person for nearly NINE minutes, or even for 15 seconds, really need to sit down and do some hard thinking, people's anger with such images is justified, as is their distrust for police that may behave in a dangerous fashion.

I know that there are good police officers, I have met a few of them in my life. But there are a lot of adrenaline junkies in that profession who don't see violence against citizens as a problem.

[theaocp]

34. Fuck these assholes.

“And the thing that scares me … I’m hearing close to 600 cops have either put in their papers or they’re talking to the [NYPD] about resigning or retiring,” Kerik continued.

It's a threat and the tactics of a crying baby. "I think some in the hospital"? Better figure out your lies, motherfucker. Watch TPTB bend over and give these extortionists what they want. Unreal.

[lagomorph777]

35. Subject line is misleading: this is merely one right wing nutjob's opinion.

[marmar]

37. Jeanine Pirro, Bernard Kerik....

.... says all you need to know about this piece.

[tenderfoot]

38. Good. Then they can hire 600 new people that aren't bullies and racists

eom

[uponit7771]

40. bye Felicia

[Nature Man]

41. Bye Felicia

[Midnight Writer]

42. Kerik is pulling numbers out of his ass, like any criminal Republican. He doesn't know dick.

[onetexan]

44. Good! Saves the state from having to pay their unemployment and having to fire them

[Straw Man]

45. Apparently ...

as much as 600 NYPD officers

... literacy is no longer expected or required of writers.

[hughee99]

47. Normally, when a group of people don't feel safe at work

And feel like quitting, they get at least some understanding here.

Contrary so what some others here have posted, I’m not convinced the people who are considering quitting are the ones we want to get rid of.

[tonedevil]

49. It looks to me like...

these and the other piggies are telling us if they can't beat and murder the citizenry with impunity they will quit. I don't know about where you are, but in Sacramento they can get 100s of police to shoot rubber bullets and teargas into crowds of peaceful protesters, but if you call 911 to report someone breaking into your house they will tell you they will try to get a patrol car by in half an hour. Do.not count on that car actually arriving. No one who is currently employed as police should be kept they have made themselves useless at best and harmful more frequently. That's why they need to be defunded.

[hughee99]

65. It looks to me like some people don't want to be in danger

Just because some people they work with (sometimes in other cities and states) are shitty cops who should be fired or in jail.

[tonedevil]

68. When there is the smallest effort...

to require accountability from the police they start quitting in droves because they don't think they can do their jobs without being able to beat and kill people with impunity. There can be no good police because the police departments are so dependent on not being held accountable. I don't have sympathy for people who try to run and hide when they are subjected to any scrutiny.

[hughee99]

70. There are 3 core problems with police, that all need to be addressed by local leaders.

1. Are you hiring people who are capable of doing the job the way it should be done (people with the right temperament and attitude to do the job)
2. Are you training them properly so they know how to do their job properly
3. Are you holding them accountable when they don't do their job properly.

If the local leaders aren't doing all three of these things, they're going to have problems. There are many places where there are "good police" because police departments do those three things. In my experience, this is more likely to happen in smaller communities, though, because local leaders are more in touch with the local people, and have to be responsive or they don't keep their jobs. That's not always the case as small-town corruption is definitely a thing, but it's more likely to find a well-managed police force in smaller communities.

[RobinA]

52. Not Anymore

DU has become an angry mob.

[hughee99]

67. It's a strange time we live in, though I can't say it's shocking. Nt

[HotTeaBag]

51. He's lying.

.

[womanofthehills]

53. Bye, bye - yesterday Kamala said bad cops are bad for the good cops!

[Wounded Bear]

57. Isn't that less than 1% of the force?

What is their normal turnover, month to month?

[JHB]

61. No, don't think it's less than 1%, but is most definitely less than 2%

In #13 above I chose to use "over 35,000" because I couldn't find a current number, but all other recent numbers I found were above that number. In other words, a deliberate lowball.

For 35,000, 600 would be 1.71%. For any higher number, it would be less.

[Happy Hoosier]

58. Good. GTFO. NT

[onethatcares]

62. hmmmm, maybe, might could, thinking about

when I read that people might, or do any of the above, I get to thinking about the money. Like someone is going to give up a 1 million dollar on up pension with health care and all kinds of goodies, in order to not have to choke someone to death, I figure it's a bunch of clowns that should go away anyway. Enact laws, edicts, signings that work to enforce correct policiing.

FFS, Let them walk away. Train the new officers the difference tween right and wrong like their parents tried to. Keep weeding the buttheads out.

[Crunchy Frog]

64. Good way to get rid of a few "bad apples".

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

66. Let me fix their headline: "Lying Delusional Felon Claims....." nt

[spanone]

69. This Bernie Kerik?

On November 5, 2009, Kerik pleaded guilty to eight felony tax and false statement charges,[28] and was sentenced to forty-eight months in federal prison and three years' supervised release (probation). Kerik was represented in the matter by a notable NYC Criminal Defense Attorney, Michael F. Bachner.[29] He surrendered to the U.S. minimum security prison camp in Cumberland, Maryland, on May 17, 2010. He was discharged from federal custody on October 15, 2013, and after serving five months' home confinement, his supervised release concluded in October 2016.

Kerik was granted a presidential pardon by Donald Trump on February 18, 2020.[30]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Kerik