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jcmaine72

(1,773 posts)
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 06:56 AM Jun 2020

Now this is just flat-out counterproductive and DUMB

Protesters pull down Hans Christian Heg statue in Madison Wisconsin.

Okay, I understand people are pissed and want their voices heard, but Heg was an immigrant who never owned slaves and actually fought and DIED fighting the Confederacy. Doing this in a swing state no less makes this potentially even more damaging.

How hard is it to quickly Google someone before tearing their statue down? Being a white man from the 19th century doesn't necessarily make the person bad.

Tim Carpenter, a Democratic Senator, also appears to have been assaulted during the protest. This crap needs to stop, or at least be directed towards the people that deserve it.


https://wkow.com/2020/06/23/protesters-pull-down-forward-statue-outside-state-capitol/

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Now this is just flat-out counterproductive and DUMB (Original Post) jcmaine72 Jun 2020 OP
That was stupid oswaldactedalone Jun 2020 #1
Not stupid if the people doing it are false-flaggers. lagomorph777 Jun 2020 #44
This is their spokesperson Ex Lurker Jun 2020 #57
Well then this does look pretty damned stupid. lagomorph777 Jun 2020 #58
That was interesting. Asks for dialogue but tears down anti-slavery statue and attacks dem senator. cayugafalls Jun 2020 #61
It's All 'Establishment', Sir The Magistrate Jun 2020 #62
Then the protests have been hijacked by revolutionaries. cayugafalls Jun 2020 #65
he was an anti-slavery activist, whoever did this is ignorant of history Celerity Jun 2020 #2
I would be willing to bet at least half of the people involved in these pull-downs know nest Tipperary Jun 2020 #5
Half is generous superpatriotman Jun 2020 #8
Mob excitement empedocles Jun 2020 #12
Not an excuse for stupid behavior superpatriotman Jun 2020 #26
Yep. Tipperary Jun 2020 #16
You are assuming that the people doing this are on "our" side. lagomorph777 Jun 2020 #45
Well, I doubt people on the other side are somehow smarter. Tipperary Jun 2020 #53
Smarter? No, but oppositely motivated. Tearing down statues of good guys hurts our cause. lagomorph777 Jun 2020 #55
The whole thing has tipped into mob violence and I can Blue_true Jun 2020 #30
Not only that, but they blocked the bike lane. mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2020 #3
Were the vandals arrested? Ilsa Jun 2020 #4
It's WAY more plausible it was the work of provocateurs and *NOT* BLM protesters Dennis Donovan Jun 2020 #6
Very plausible Auggie Jun 2020 #20
Agree. This statue likely targeted because he was anti-slavery. nt Hortensis Jun 2020 #24
+1 Same white supremacists who did most of the arson/violence after George Floyd's murder. lagomorph777 Jun 2020 #46
This spokesperson was issuing demands this morning Ex Lurker Jun 2020 #56
No, That Is The Real Deal, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2020 #63
I think the whole statue thing has become a distraction from the main issue... Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2020 #7
+1000000000000!! 2naSalit Jun 2020 #10
This. Tipperary Jun 2020 #17
Statutes not statues. Yes! RVN VET71 Jun 2020 #23
Yep morphed from Floyd to Defund to Statues live love laugh Jun 2020 #28
I'm thinking there are other factions that are trying to make BLM protesters look bad. BComplex Jun 2020 #9
Are we sure it wasn't a bunch of racists that pulled him down? eom Maraya1969 Jun 2020 #11
Only takes a few with the ropes empedocles Jun 2020 #13
+1 uponit7771 Jun 2020 #27
Dunno. If they're not, they certainly have one thing in common with racists. jcmaine72 Jun 2020 #40
If they were going to pull down a symbol of historic racism why not the GOP state headquarters? Ford_Prefect Jun 2020 #14
Bazinga! Wawannabe Jun 2020 #18
Great, mobs of outraged people destroying a political party's infrastructure. Calista241 Jun 2020 #49
It seems to me that the GOP has gotten a free ride up to now. Ford_Prefect Jun 2020 #54
All it takes is a Biden win, and then 90% of Dem voters will settle into the whole Calista241 Jun 2020 #64
I used to live in Orange Co, NC. In 2016 someone burned the county GOP election headquarters. Ford_Prefect Jun 2020 #67
I am hoping it was provocateurs and they are caught. marie999 Jun 2020 #15
One protestor said later that they understood the role Heg played, but were protesting the fact WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #19
The good part? maxsolomon Jun 2020 #59
Also, it's only counterproductive if you let it be. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #21
People need to stop tearing down statues, period. Lonestarblue Jun 2020 #22
Yes. And governments are voluntarily removing confederate statues. Blue_true Jun 2020 #32
Most people are not only misinformed, they are uninformed. jaxexpat Jun 2020 #25
It's a blip that doesn't deserve much attention. StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #29
You are falling into the trap that Trump want us to step in. Blue_true Jun 2020 #33
LOL StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #35
Nothing we can do about it JonLP24 Jun 2020 #37
Stress is no excuse for losing decorum. Blue_true Jun 2020 #38
I'm more focused on Trump's incompetence JonLP24 Jun 2020 #51
The optics of this sucks jcmaine72 Jun 2020 #41
You know what optics don't suck? Hundreds of thousands of peaceful protesters across the country StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #47
It can't be ignored Polybius Jun 2020 #60
There's a difference between ignoring it and making a huge deal of it StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #66
Outside of the protests, etc.... llmart Jun 2020 #31
The way to solve the problem is to accurately rewrite history Blue_true Jun 2020 #34
I agree with your last sentence. llmart Jun 2020 #42
I see your point. Then we accurately edit history and Blue_true Jun 2020 #50
And while we're at it... llmart Jun 2020 #52
I am ok with all of that. nt Blue_true Jun 2020 #68
I lived in Madison for 36 years and what friends are telling me mokawanis Jun 2020 #36
Before concluding - cilla4progress Jun 2020 #39
It's important to distract us with "concern" StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #48
Mob Mentality. jalan48 Jun 2020 #43

oswaldactedalone

(3,490 posts)
1. That was stupid
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 07:00 AM
Jun 2020

C’mon people, stay focused and stop acting foolishly. It doesn’t help. We’ve got the momentum to change things on 11-3, don’t blow it for the rest of us.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
44. Not stupid if the people doing it are false-flaggers.
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 10:37 AM
Jun 2020

We had a lot of anarchists/white supremacists mixing with protesters in the first week after the Floyd murder. Looks like they're back.

cayugafalls

(5,640 posts)
61. That was interesting. Asks for dialogue but tears down anti-slavery statue and attacks dem senator.
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 03:51 PM
Jun 2020

The message is getting muddied by a lack of critical thinking.

The Magistrate

(95,244 posts)
62. It's All 'Establishment', Sir
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 03:54 PM
Jun 2020

These people imagine themselves on the brink of successful revolution, and whoever is not with them all the way to overthrowing the system is numbered among the enemy.

cayugafalls

(5,640 posts)
65. Then the protests have been hijacked by revolutionaries.
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 04:28 PM
Jun 2020

For good or bad, it is what it is. Unfortunately, you said it quite well, they "imagine themselves on the brink of successful revolution", with 'imagine' being the key word.

Their reality may not play well for those of us who seek change in November.

We must win.

Celerity

(43,316 posts)
2. he was an anti-slavery activist, whoever did this is ignorant of history
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 07:02 AM
Jun 2020

smdh

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Christian_Heg

Heg became a rising young politician who found slavery abhorrent. He naturally became an ardent member of the Free Soil Party.

Heg was a major in the 4th Wisconsin Militia and served as Wisconsin State Prison Commissioner. He was the first Norwegian-born candidate elected statewide in Wisconsin.

He soon joined the recently formed Republican Party. He was an outspoken anti-slavery activist and a leader of Wisconsin's Wide Awakes, an anti-slave catcher militia.

During this time, he sheltered Sherman Booth, who was made a federal fugitive after inciting a mob to rescue an escaped slave.

In 1860, Heg was elected commissioner of the state prison in Waupun, and served there for two years.

Heg spearheaded many reforms to the prison, believing that prisons should be used to "reclaim the wandering and save the lost.

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
5. I would be willing to bet at least half of the people involved in these pull-downs know nest
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 07:10 AM
Jun 2020

to nothing about history. Probably have no idea who the statues were or what they might stand for.

superpatriotman

(6,247 posts)
8. Half is generous
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 07:20 AM
Jun 2020

I’d estimate 10-12% actually know their history

More losing friends and losing elections at play.

Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

superpatriotman

(6,247 posts)
26. Not an excuse for stupid behavior
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 08:47 AM
Jun 2020

Cooler heads must prevail or we will start shedding support.
I don’t think Americans want wanton destruction especially when it’s led by idiots.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
55. Smarter? No, but oppositely motivated. Tearing down statues of good guys hurts our cause.
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 01:28 PM
Jun 2020

And that's what they want.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
30. The whole thing has tipped into mob violence and I can
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 09:05 AM
Jun 2020

not believe it when I read people on DU cheering that shit on.

Thoughtless anarchy is not going to help our cause.

Ilsa

(61,694 posts)
4. Were the vandals arrested?
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 07:07 AM
Jun 2020

Do we know that they weren't provocateurs?

When it comes to mobs, I question motivations and potential infiltration every time now.

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
6. It's WAY more plausible it was the work of provocateurs and *NOT* BLM protesters
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 07:15 AM
Jun 2020
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Christian_Heg



Hans Christian Heg (December 21, 1829 – September 20, 1863) was a Norwegian American journalist, anti-slavery activist, politician and soldier, best known for leading the Scandinavian 15th Wisconsin Volunteer Regiment in the American Civil War. He died of the wounds he received at the Battle of Chickamauga.

Background
Heg was born at Haugestad in the community of Lierbyen in Lier, Buskerud, Norway on December 21, 1829. He was the eldest of the four children of an innkeeper. His father, Even Hansen Heg (1790–1850), moved his family to America in 1840, settling in the Muskego Settlement in Wisconsin. Hans Heg was eleven years old when his family arrived in Muskego. He soon earned a reputation for himself as being a gifted boy.

At twenty years old, lured by the discovery of gold in the Sacramento Valley, he and three friends joined the army of "Forty-Niners". He spent the next two years prospecting for gold in California. Upon the death of his father, he returned to the Muskego area in 1851. He married Gunhild Einong, daughter of a Norwegian immigrant.

Heg became a rising young politician who found slavery abhorrent. He naturally became an ardent member of the Free Soil Party. Heg was a major in the 4th Wisconsin Militia and served as Wisconsin State Prison Commissioner. He was the first Norwegian-born candidate elected statewide in Wisconsin.

He soon joined the recently formed Republican Party. He was an outspoken anti-slavery activist and a leader of Wisconsin's Wide Awakes, an anti-slave catcher militia. During this time, he sheltered Sherman Booth, who was made a federal fugitive after inciting a mob to rescue an escaped slave.

In 1860, Heg was elected commissioner of the state prison in Waupun, and served there for two years. Heg spearheaded many reforms to the prison, believing that prisons should be used to "reclaim the wandering and save the lost."


Statue of Col. Hans Christian Heg, Wisconsin State Capitol, Madison

Military service
With the outbreak of the Civil War, Heg was appointed by Governor Alexander Randall as colonel of the 15th Wisconsin Volunteer Regiment. Appealing to all young "Norsemen," he said, "the government of our adopted country is in danger. It is our duty as brave and intelligent citizens to extend our hands in defense of the cause of our Country and of our homes." The 15th Wisconsin was called the Scandinavian Regiment since its soldiers were almost all immigrants from Norway, with some from Denmark and Sweden. It was the only all Scandinavian regiment in the Union Army. On 8 October 1862, Colonel Heg led his regiment into its first action at the Battle of Perryville. Despite being under fire while being driven back several miles by the enemy, the 15th Wisconsin suffered few casualties and no fatalities. However, one of those hurt was Colonel Heg, who was injured when his horse fell.

Heg commanded the regiment during the Battle of Stones River. In response to his conduct at Stones River, Maj. Gen. William Rosecrans placed Heg in command of the newly formed 3rd Brigade of the 1st Division, XX Corps, Army of the Cumberland, on 1 May 1863.

On 19 September 1863, Heg led his brigade at the Battle of Chickamauga, where he was mortally wounded. Heg "was shot through the bowels and died the next day." [8] Upon hearing of Heg's death, Rosecrans expressed regret, saying he had intended to promote Heg to brigadier general. Heg was one of three Wisconsinite colonels killed in combat during the Civil War.

Heg was buried at the Norway Lutheran Church Cemetery near Wind Lake, Wisconsin.

</snip>

The Magistrate

(95,244 posts)
63. No, That Is The Real Deal, Sir
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 03:57 PM
Jun 2020

There is an endemic plague of these revolutionist larpers lurking about any real effort for reform and social justice. There are not many of them, but they get quite energetic at times....

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,173 posts)
7. I think the whole statue thing has become a distraction from the main issue...
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 07:17 AM
Jun 2020

...and probably intentionally so.

By just tearing down any statue on any basis, they’ve successfully obfuscated the issue to the point of reductio ad absurdum and made a mockery and distraction out of it.

Surkovian styled propaganda does not always deny the truth but rather confuses the observer beyond all reason as to whatever the truth might be so leaving then numb and cynical to the actual truth.

So when the point of this past month isn’t systematic racism and police brutality but rather the need to tear down a statue of Mr. Rogers for some odd reason, the former discussion loses all focus and appeal.

Statues literally aren’t going anywhere and we have plenty of time to decide which ones stay and which ones go.

I’d much rather the discussion be about statutes, not statues right now.

RVN VET71

(2,690 posts)
23. Statutes not statues. Yes!
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 08:26 AM
Jun 2020

But you have to listen, learn, and read to know what statutes need changing. Mobs don't care to read. The symbol of taking down a statue is eye-catching. Mobs like to cheer themselves (itself?) on.

So they move on Heg, not because he wasn't a hero of abolition but because the Mob didn't know, didn't care.

Mobs moved on a statue of Ulysses Grant, for chrissakes. The man who is most singularly responsible for beating the CSA and allowing the abolition of slavery to take place. Grant! And in London, on Churchill. Churchill, without whom it is not implausible to guess that citizens of Jolly Old would, today, be speaking German. That Churchill.

I know where my vote will go in November, so it makes no difference how savagely ignorant these mobs of foolish people act. I have nothing but support for the tearing down of CSA memorial statues, but fear for the leftward movement of American politics if the attacks on monuments to freedom persist.

Statutes not statues needs to be a rallying cry, but who in the crowd would listen?

BComplex

(8,036 posts)
9. I'm thinking there are other factions that are trying to make BLM protesters look bad.
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 07:22 AM
Jun 2020

I don't think BLM protesters are pulling down statues of the good guys. Democrats are way smarter than republicans. And republicans will do ANYTHING to try to make democrats look bad.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
49. Great, mobs of outraged people destroying a political party's infrastructure.
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 10:46 AM
Jun 2020

What could possibly go wrong with that?

Ford_Prefect

(7,886 posts)
54. It seems to me that the GOP has gotten a free ride up to now.
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 01:27 PM
Jun 2020

If they are the party primarily and by a large margin specifically responsible for the outrage and the anger should they NOT receive the benefits of that energy?

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
64. All it takes is a Biden win, and then 90% of Dem voters will settle into the whole
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 04:28 PM
Jun 2020

"we did our job, i'm taking a break" mindset. Meanwhile, the other side is going to be fired the fuck up. Do you think they'll just forget what we did, if it comes to burning down party offices?

It appears the police are largely on their side, especially if we do even a little of this 'defund the police' efforts espoused by some of our party.

Ford_Prefect

(7,886 posts)
67. I used to live in Orange Co, NC. In 2016 someone burned the county GOP election headquarters.
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 04:48 PM
Jun 2020

No one was inside at the time since it was the middle of the night. However, there were some quite distinct remarks and threats spray-painted on a nearby wall regarding the hate-mongering going on at the time. To the effect that what goes around is gonna come around.

The feeling I heard expressed on the ground was that while it was not the correct thing to do to the GOP office they had certainly invited an intense response given public speeches by candidates and overall party rhetoric.

Personally, I am not advocating such violence, not yet at least.
I can see that someone who had been personally attacked or had their friends or neighbors or family threatened, and who had been continually under threat may feel that the answer is to make those who enabled that hurt feel some of the pain. Especially since it is GOP Dogma not merely individual bigotry.

Yes, a blood feud is not tactically wise, however emotionally honest or just one might feel in pursuing it. I will answer that my own experience has been from early childhood until my last corporate job assignment that there are only 2 ways to deal with bullies when you cannot simply escape them. I have used both with equal effect.

 

marie999

(3,334 posts)
15. I am hoping it was provocateurs and they are caught.
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 07:57 AM
Jun 2020

If not them then whoever did it are stupid and should just stop tearing down any statues. Keep up with the peaceful demonstrations.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,326 posts)
19. One protestor said later that they understood the role Heg played, but were protesting the fact
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 08:13 AM
Jun 2020

that the statues on the campus tell only one part of the state's story.

Lonestarblue

(9,971 posts)
22. People need to stop tearing down statues, period.
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 08:23 AM
Jun 2020

It feeds into the narrative of violence for the sake of violence. The point has been made and the public is mostly on the protesters’ side, but that will change if things keep being destroyed. Now it’s time to petition state officials to remove any remaining offensive statues. Even Mississippi is trying to change it's flag to remove the flag of the Confederacy.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
32. Yes. And governments are voluntarily removing confederate statues.
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 09:15 AM
Jun 2020

Where in Florida, the county where one of the worst race massacres in US history took place has petitioned the governor to remove a statue of a confederate figure from public view. Apparently, the republican controlled Florida Legistlature had passed a law that only the governor could ok removal of confederate statues. The situation points up two things, peaceful public shaming is working, and that we need to get rid of republican politicians everywhere.

jaxexpat

(6,818 posts)
25. Most people are not only misinformed, they are uninformed.
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 08:32 AM
Jun 2020

The BIG reason for wealth inequality in these here United States.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
29. It's a blip that doesn't deserve much attention.
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 09:05 AM
Jun 2020

And the less we draw attention to it and the more we continue to focus on the many, many, much larger awesome things that protesters and others are doing around the country, the less "counterproductive" this kind of thing will be

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
33. You are falling into the trap that Trump want us to step in.
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 09:20 AM
Jun 2020

The imagery of a mob pulling down a statue is enormously powerful and washes away all else.

I think that your attitude on the issue highlights the key problem, IMO. We have people on our side that attempt to minimize street thuggery because of a misinformed adherence to an idea that clueless anarchy in any situation is likely to prevail.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
35. LOL
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 09:25 AM
Jun 2020

Nothing like being lectured to about the damage "imagery" does by someone who won't stop talking about and thereby amplifying the imagery.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
37. Nothing we can do about it
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 09:28 AM
Jun 2020

There are protests all over the country there is going to be some group within a protest that we here at DU can do nothing about.

I don't think clueless anarchy prevails but I look at it like we are suffering under a pandemic that is unlike anything else I ever experienced, we have had Trump for four years, there was the George Floyd killing. All of this is incredibly stressful nothing about this is normal so I don't expect people to act normal.

In less developed countries when things break down a lot worse happens then pulling down the wrong statue.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
38. Stress is no excuse for losing decorum.
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 09:39 AM
Jun 2020

We have to keep focused on Trump's incompetence and grotesque damage to the nation like a laser beam. Anything that detracts from that is a problem.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
51. I'm more focused on Trump's incompetence
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 10:54 AM
Jun 2020

Part of the reason why everything is happening is because of Trump's incompetence.


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The scenes have been disturbingly familiar to CIA analysts accustomed to monitoring scenes of societal unraveling abroad — the massing of protesters, the ensuing crackdowns and the awkwardly staged displays of strength by a leader determined to project authority.

In interviews and posts on social media in recent days, current and former U.S. intelligence officials have expressed dismay at the similarity between events at home and the signs of decline or democratic regression they were trained to detect in other nations.

“I’ve seen this kind of violence,” said Gail Helt, a former CIA analyst responsible for tracking developments in China and Southeast Asia. “This is what autocrats do. This is what happens in countries before a collapse. It really does unnerve me.”

(Snip)

Former intelligence officials said the unrest and the administration’s militaristic response are among many measures of decay they would flag if writing assessments about the United States for another country’s intelligence service.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/cia-veterans-who-monitored-crackdowns-abroad-see-troubling-parallels-in-trump-handling-of-protests/2020/06/02/7ab210b8-a4f6-11ea-bb20-ebf0921f3bbd_story.html%3foutputType=amp

For every statue there will be another video of police brutality or police shooting.


I saw this earlier today




Then you have the crazy stuff Republicans or Trump will say and their party doesn't check themselves as often as we do. We are so worried about what others will think will Republicans double down on the crazy
It is hard to explain. Everyone is out of control not just these protestors.



jcmaine72

(1,773 posts)
41. The optics of this sucks
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 10:09 AM
Jun 2020

In California or New York, an act of stupidity like this can be dismissed as a "blip". In an important swing like Wisconsin, however, it just might turn out to be a blob.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
47. You know what optics don't suck? Hundreds of thousands of peaceful protesters across the country
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 10:44 AM
Jun 2020

But, for some reason, some people would rather obsess over a tiny handful of people doing something they think will scare some white people away instead of focusing on the the exponentially more powerful incidents, messages and images.

The only way the "blip" becomes a "blob" is if people obsess over it and try to blow it up into something equivalent to what's really happening out here.

Stop playing into their hands.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
66. There's a difference between ignoring it and making a huge deal of it
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 04:29 PM
Jun 2020

and amplifying it further.

But that said, why can't it be ignored? Why do you feel required to talk about it?

llmart

(15,536 posts)
31. Outside of the protests, etc....
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 09:05 AM
Jun 2020

I have never been one for statues anyway. They are almost always of white men, as if they are the only people who contributed something to our country. I'm also not a fan of huge memorials.

Maybe that's just me.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
34. The way to solve the problem is to accurately rewrite history
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 09:23 AM
Jun 2020

and erect statues of POC that have contributed mightily to our nation. Mobs pulling down shit are vastly counter-productive.

llmart

(15,536 posts)
42. I agree with your last sentence.
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 10:33 AM
Jun 2020

However, then we also need to erect statues to the women who have contributed mightily to this nation also, in addition to other ethnic groups and Native Americans too! Heck, if we erect a statue to everyone who contributed to our nation we can cover every bit of green space we have left! Where does it stop? Who gets a statue and who doesn't?

That's why I'm not much for statues.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
50. I see your point. Then we accurately edit history and
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 10:52 AM
Jun 2020

remove confederate statues, which are things of pure evil, IMO.

llmart

(15,536 posts)
52. And while we're at it...
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 12:55 PM
Jun 2020

let's use Howard Zinn's book "A People's History of the United States" to teach history in high school. His is much more accurate than the one I was taught from in the 60's.

Also, there are a few holidays we can get rid of.

mokawanis

(4,440 posts)
36. I lived in Madison for 36 years and what friends are telling me
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 09:27 AM
Jun 2020

is that the statue was pulled down to protest the arrest of an "activist" who was going around with a bull horn and a baseball bat for several days. Complaints were made and the police confronted him and ended up arresting him. I don't know the details yet, and maybe the cops could have handled it better than they did, but pulling down that particular statue was a stupid thing to do.

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